40AmpstoFreedom
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Sounds like proof to me. heh
MR. NICE STRAINS AND SEEDS
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goldberg71b
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Even a broke clock tells the correct time twice a day. But it's absolutely wrong for the other 1438 minutes of the day!
What ever he has going on over there should be getting better as the decades pass. But how could anyone trust them? Or risk 3 months worth of space in their garden for who knows what? And all that effort for what's nothing more than a toss up.
Thefarmer12
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Wouldn't risk it nowadays too much beans around but I'll admit being tempted to try to find that same pheno. Their beans aren't really my issue it's their business ethics and practices more than anything I can't stand ...Even a broke clock tells the correct time twice a day. But it's absolutely wrong for the other 1438 minutes of the day!
What ever he has going on over there should be getting better as the decades pass. But how could anyone trust them? Or risk 3 months worth of space in their garden for who knows what? And all that effort for what's nothing more than a toss up.
goldberg71b
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I forgot to mention of the 6 female nl5/afg I got 2 beauties. I've saved them both and in the process of pollinating one with the other. Nordle along with g13/skunk I have sexed. But I took to long to seperate them. So when I flipped them back to 18/6 they continued to stretch and start flowering. My fault! So I had to cut them back and treat them like a reveg project. The cuttings just got topped in 1 gallon pots. Next step new cuttings ---> flower.
calyxhunter
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i dont know if its the same cross as shark shock but breeders retail has the only last 1000 of w.w X sk1 by cultivators choice and got like 20 for genetic preservation . i think its the same hybrid
Angry Pollock
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Did the nl5/afgh , it was very good and pretty easy to grow, probably because of the nl5 in it.
goldberg71b
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It is easy to grow currently my #5 is in perpetual run. I'd recommend it to anyone. It has great structure along with smell and flavor. I'm not good at describing highs so I won't try. Suffice it to say I don't have a bad word to say about it!
Ironical as it is plant #1 was the runner up and #5 was the winner. I only popped 10 seeds and 4 were males. (So the odds weren't to numerous BUT I did notice it)
. The first run I only let 1 person get their hands on these 2 plants (1st run I hoard the keepers. Since ultimately I have to decide if it stays or goes! The faster I make that choice the better.) I took this buddy out fishing on my boat a few weeks later. Forgetting he had both of these. He was fishing the bow and I was fishing the stern. He sparked up #5 on open waters at the opposite end of my 29 foot boat. On his second puff I started laughing. He asked me what's up? I said I know exactly what you got in your hand. NL/AF #5!
goldberg71b
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Alright then. I've got an update on my Ortega. Of my 8 females I've got 1 that showed nice white pistols with some pink. The pink showed up mid to late week 5. Week 7 starts today and the pink is fading to a normal light brown. 2 others had more of a dirty blonde coloring. The other 5 are all normal in color.
The bad news is 1 of those 5 is showing a few (5) single pollen sacs. It's not isolated to 1 bud. More like 1 sac on each main branch. One of which had 2 sacs. Since I have no separate room to put it in I've pulled them off with tweezers. I'll be watching closely from now till they finish.
Since it calls for 6-8 weeks flower time - my guess is they'll be more like 9 weeks. Since the first sighting of sacs (undeveloped-not mature) if allowed to stay on by the time they were to release pollen there would be no time for actual seeds to form before harvested on time. Or at least I don't think so.
The bad news is 1 of those 5 is showing a few (5) single pollen sacs. It's not isolated to 1 bud. More like 1 sac on each main branch. One of which had 2 sacs. Since I have no separate room to put it in I've pulled them off with tweezers. I'll be watching closely from now till they finish.
Since it calls for 6-8 weeks flower time - my guess is they'll be more like 9 weeks. Since the first sighting of sacs (undeveloped-not mature) if allowed to stay on by the time they were to release pollen there would be no time for actual seeds to form before harvested on time. Or at least I don't think so.
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goldberg71b
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Obviously each picture is a different day but the same flower. There's about 10 days between the first and last picture. The middle picture was somewhere in between. Unfortunately most of its gone now. But it was nice while it lasted. I'm glad she didn't throw off the naners.
goldberg71b
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Dont mention the brown tipped leaves. That's NOT nute burn. The humidity in my house has been low 30-35%. And if left alone it would be even lower in the tent. These are under CMH. So the bulbs are bare and this causes lower humidity. I've added a humidifier inside the tent as well as another right in front of the fresh air intake duct. All this and the humidity still only reached a max of about 53%. But a few times I didn't notice that the water tanks were empty. By the time I noticed the humidity was down to low 30s. It only happened 2-3 times but those leaves aren't meant to have the water sucked out of them like that.
socaljoe
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Ortega is the one that I selected to run outdoors this year. I had planned on doing several MNS strains, but I had other seeds I wanted to run more. Wish I had more space.
I had a G13xSKUNK that had pink pistils similar to yours, she was a beauty of a plant. Had another that grew like a damn hand grenade, no stretch and fat, chunky buds.
I had a G13xSKUNK that had pink pistils similar to yours, she was a beauty of a plant. Had another that grew like a damn hand grenade, no stretch and fat, chunky buds.
goldberg71b
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Yeah visuals isn't everything. But I have to say so far she's been the twinkle in my eye!
goldberg71b
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If you want there's a guy I can't recall the name but he has a few threads over on MNS forum. Look under strains ---> Ortega. He had herm problems with his but he made F1s anyway. I didn't read them all but the last one I did. He made F2s as well. It seemed like the herm trait didn't show at all in the F2s. It sounded so interesting I was disappointed I didn't read it before I culled all my males.
My thought was if I got 2 nice females I'd cross them and dig a bit deeper. But if I'm pleased with the flowers I can always pick up more cheap! Many people avoid it because of the rep. Me I'm the opposite I had to try it because of the rep. I figured with the rep if shanti is still selling it. He thinks there's some good value to it. Because it sure would be easy for him to just discontinue it!
Hemphill420
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It's the exact same strain!!!!!!They only have a couple hundred left so I'm jumping on them.I hear they have great germ rates too....Thank you very much for the heads up.
goldberg71b
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Can you guys take this out of here and to PM please. And it's absolutely not the same. The only way for it to be the same is with THE SAME MOM AND POP. There's no one who has same and I mean SAME parents that shanti does PERIOD. Therefore it's not the same. Even when there are 2 strains available for purchase to the public. There's no one who grow his strains longer than him. So unless they're buying 100s maybe even a thousand seeds of EACH strain and doing SERIOUS selecting. A cross from anyone but him won't be the same quality. Even if they come from the same stock! It's that simple. I'm not saying he's the only guy in the world with a good eye at selecting parents and decades of experience. But even those that do know and can how reasonable is it that the others know his lines better than him?
Do you really think every seed bank and or breeder has a real original northern lights? I don't. But they all dam well say they do. I'm not even going to say what they're selling is "bad"! However if it's not real every cross that breeder claims to have even if he crossed them himself can't ever have a true NL cross. But that's what many companies do.
Any jack ass can buy a pack of black widow and let them cross pollinate. Anyone can even pick their best female. Not so many can choose the BEST male.
BUT let's assume they get it right absolutely the best male and female are chosen. You STILL don't have the same thing he's selling. What you've got is an F1 seed. In your selection process you've made it more likely some things will show in the seeds. As well as made others less likely. This might even make something you enjoy more than the original. But it's NOT the same.
Hemphill420
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I believe I will keep my comments public..........My discussion is relevant and my real experience is valuable........ But,since you don't know,Cultivators Choice was contracted by many Dutch seedbanks to produce seed due to their inability to supply demand,including Greenhouse seeds,Breeders retail bought these seeds up and are selling these old,original seeds.They have old stock of the original crossings made with the original mother's and fathers THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY EXIST....You believe what you're told and I'll believe my real life experiences........ Shanti is a badass breeder and I even recommend his current version is GWS,but I have no choice to believe he lost all his original mother's,no one has them.Could I be wrong? Yes! But I have no choice but to believe my own eyes.Grew the original,Grew the new Mr.Nice SS and GH GWS and now I'm off to try the original cross again. ......You know,you seem very certain in the truth of these stories you've been told about these original mother's being kept alive but I'm willing to bet you've only read it and are regurgitating what you've heard, not what you've seen..........You should understand that I only want to inform the public.Many of you have been burned by Greenhouse and then discovered Mr.Nice and then discovered that Shanti is,in fact,a world class breeder when you grew out his beans and got some great weed when all you got from Greenhouse was hermies.Im not saying Mr.Nice sucks or promating any company.What im saying is that regardless of Shanti being a great breeder,he's lost his mothers and is selling remakes of them that arent even close to the origonal versions,dank,but not the orgional versions........I wish everyone could see this post for what it is,it's me caring enough about my fellow man to say the truth I've seen with my own eyes.To protect a community to often lied to for the sake of dollars................Don't worry about me posting here again.I've said all I have to say,thanks for your time and wish you all the best.
goldberg71b
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Listen you seem to be missing the point. You've said this before. I don't care that you said it. I do mind the preaching. The real point went over your head.
ONCE AGAIN. LETS ASSUME YOU ARE RIGHT DOES THAT MAKE IT MORE OR LESS LIKELY THAT ANOTHER SEED COMPANY HAS EITHER OF HIS PARENTS. THE OLD ONES AND THE ONES YOU CLAIM HAVE BEEN REPLACED???
In order to be the same you have to have the same exact parents!!! Not just for shanti. For any mother fucker breeding. Do you understand what I'm trying to explain to you? This is why I asked you to take your convo else where. You are claiming strains are the exact same thing! When that's impossible! Irregardless to what you believe about his parent stock! Either way your original statement that I asked you to take elsewhere. NICELY I might add. Is completely false!
I'm sure you don't believe every Afghan original haze is IDENTICAL? Do you?? It has nothing to do with stories. EXACTLY = IDENTICAL! That means one parent and cuttings from it can amount to exactly the same.
An accurate statement would be something like both breeders used the same strains to make seeds. But you can't say that they are both the same. Now if you're talking about 2 people who have IDENTICAL elite clone only strains. Those seeds would be the exact same thing.
If you're going to stay that's fine. Talk about your EXPERIENCES with MNS STRAINS. whatever they may be. And let's try to steer people straight.
Hemphill420
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You don't understand!The mother's and Father's were given to cultivators choice to produce the very strains they would sell.Cultivators choice was subcontracted to produce seeds for Greenhouse and other Dutch seed companies,in order to do that the were given the plants to produce them.
Hemphill420
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In other words.Shantibaba gave Cultivators Choice his mother's and Father's to produce seed for Greenhouse seeds.Cultivators choice sold the old seed stock to Breeders retail who is now selling them.