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Sounds like proof to me. hehI hate GHS as much as anyone but their GWS must be the original cause I found a fire keeper I accidentally let go. One of the best varieties I've had.
Sounds like proof to me. hehI hate GHS as much as anyone but their GWS must be the original cause I found a fire keeper I accidentally let go. One of the best varieties I've had.
Even a broke clock tells the correct time twice a day. But it's absolutely wrong for the other 1438 minutes of the day!I hate GHS as much as anyone but their GWS must be the original cause I found a fire keeper I accidentally let go. One of the best varieties I've had.
Wouldn't risk it nowadays too much beans around but I'll admit being tempted to try to find that same pheno. Their beans aren't really my issue it's their business ethics and practices more than anything I can't stand ...Even a broke clock tells the correct time twice a day. But it's absolutely wrong for the other 1438 minutes of the day!
What ever he has going on over there should be getting better as the decades pass. But how could anyone trust them? Or risk 3 months worth of space in their garden for who knows what? And all that effort for what's nothing more than a toss up.
I forgot to mention of the 6 female nl5/afg I got 2 beauties. I've saved them both and in the process of pollinating one with the other. Nordle along with g13/skunk I have sexed. But I took to long to seperate them. So when I flipped them back to 18/6 they continued to stretch and start flowering. My fault! So I had to cut them back and treat them like a reveg project. The cuttings just got topped in 1 gallon pots. Next step new cuttings ---> flower.MNS came through for me. It was a bit delayed, but they sent a pack of Dreamtime to make up for it. I ended up with a pack each or Nordle, Ortega, Devil and NL5xAfghan for around $120. MNS auctions can't be beat, especially since these straws look to contain more than 15 seeds.View attachment 3905530
i dont know if its the same cross as shark shock but breeders retail has the only last 1000 of w.w X sk1 by cultivators choice and got like 20 for genetic preservation . i think its the same hybridI'm absolutely certain that no company has the original Genetics to create the original great white shark,shark shock any more......Here's my story and why I believe this to be truth......GWS was my favorite strain back when it came out in the late 90's and I purchased seeds from a legit source in 98 and grew them out and what came of those seeds was absolutely amazing,super vigorous plants with very dark green velvety leaves and a unmistakable terp profile of rotten fruit with a heavy skunk,smelled just like a skunk sprayed a barrel of rotten fruit.It's one of those smells that you can't forget.The plants also looked exactly like the pictures advertised for the GWS........Every single one of my females were almost like clones and they all had the same terp profile and growth patterns.....fast forward 20 years and I wanted to get the shark again,so who do I go to?Greenhouse seeds and I get the beans,and every single one of the "females" has a male flower coming out of a calyx!....I was so pissed!....Then I do some research and find out about Shantibaba, the split and how he has the real deal everything and of course I get the beans and give it a go......These were super vigorous plants that ended up yielding 3-6 zips each,indoor and I was very happy with the results,there was no question who had the superior Genetics,Mr.Nice.Having said all that I was very disappointed that these plants did not in any way represent the GWS that some of us got to know.These plants were heavily skunk influenced,now I know GWS/SS has skunk in it but these were like 80% skunk in structure...........My overall opinion of Mr.Nice is pretty high because I've had such great luck with SS and Shit but it's unrealistic that he still has everything needed to recreate old strains considering all the bust and even the sheer time these lines would have had to be maintained to have a accurate current version.......I believe this to be the truth based on real experience.I know it sucks to hear but my obligation is to my fellow man and not a company.....What is available now is just something to sale under a famous name and nothing more......I'm still on the Mr.nice train though because I have got to try some mango haze. I hear it takes some looking but I hear there is magic in those beans.
Did the nl5/afgh , it was very good and pretty easy to grow, probably because of the nl5 in it.I forgot to mention of the 6 female nl5/afg I got 2 beauties. I've saved them both and in the process of pollinating one with the other. Nordle along with g13/skunk I have sexed. But I took to long to seperate them. So when I flipped them back to 18/6 they continued to stretch and start flowering. My fault! So I had to cut them back and treat them like a reveg project. The cuttings just got topped in 1 gallon pots. Next step new cuttings ---> flower.
It is easy to grow currently my #5 is in perpetual run. I'd recommend it to anyone. It has great structure along with smell and flavor. I'm not good at describing highs so I won't try. Suffice it to say I don't have a bad word to say about it!Did the nl5/afgh , it was very good and pretty easy to grow, probably because of the nl5 in it.
If you want there's a guy I can't recall the name but he has a few threads over on MNS forum. Look under strains ---> Ortega. He had herm problems with his but he made F1s anyway. I didn't read them all but the last one I did. He made F2s as well. It seemed like the herm trait didn't show at all in the F2s. It sounded so interesting I was disappointed I didn't read it before I culled all my males.Ortega is the one that I selected to run outdoors this year. I had planned on doing several MNS strains, but I had other seeds I wanted to run more. Wish I had more space.
I had a G13xSKUNK that had pink pistils similar to yours, she was a beauty of a plant. Had another that grew like a damn hand grenade, no stretch and fat, chunky buds.
It's the exact same strain!!!!!!They only have a couple hundred left so I'm jumping on them.I hear they have great germ rates too....Thank you very much for the heads up.i dont know if its the same cross as shark shock but breeders retail has the only last 1000 of w.w X sk1 by cultivators choice and got like 20 for genetic preservation . i think its the same hybrid
Can you guys take this out of here and to PM please. And it's absolutely not the same. The only way for it to be the same is with THE SAME MOM AND POP. There's no one who has same and I mean SAME parents that shanti does PERIOD. Therefore it's not the same. Even when there are 2 strains available for purchase to the public. There's no one who grow his strains longer than him. So unless they're buying 100s maybe even a thousand seeds of EACH strain and doing SERIOUS selecting. A cross from anyone but him won't be the same quality. Even if they come from the same stock! It's that simple. I'm not saying he's the only guy in the world with a good eye at selecting parents and decades of experience. But even those that do know and can how reasonable is it that the others know his lines better than him?It's the exact same strain!!!!!!They only have a couple hundred left so I'm jumping on them.I hear they have great germ rates too....Thank you very much for the heads up.
I believe I will keep my comments public..........My discussion is relevant and my real experience is valuable........ But,since you don't know,Cultivators Choice was contracted by many Dutch seedbanks to produce seed due to their inability to supply demand,including Greenhouse seeds,Breeders retail bought these seeds up and are selling these old,original seeds.They have old stock of the original crossings made with the original mother's and fathers THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY EXIST....You believe what you're told and I'll believe my real life experiences........ Shanti is a badass breeder and I even recommend his current version is GWS,but I have no choice to believe he lost all his original mother's,no one has them.Could I be wrong? Yes! But I have no choice but to believe my own eyes.Grew the original,Grew the new Mr.Nice SS and GH GWS and now I'm off to try the original cross again. ......You know,you seem very certain in the truth of these stories you've been told about these original mother's being kept alive but I'm willing to bet you've only read it and are regurgitating what you've heard, not what you've seen..........You should understand that I only want to inform the public.Many of you have been burned by Greenhouse and then discovered Mr.Nice and then discovered that Shanti is,in fact,a world class breeder when you grew out his beans and got some great weed when all you got from Greenhouse was hermies.Im not saying Mr.Nice sucks or promating any company.What im saying is that regardless of Shanti being a great breeder,he's lost his mothers and is selling remakes of them that arent even close to the origonal versions,dank,but not the orgional versions........I wish everyone could see this post for what it is,it's me caring enough about my fellow man to say the truth I've seen with my own eyes.To protect a community to often lied to for the sake of dollars................Don't worry about me posting here again.I've said all I have to say,thanks for your time and wish you all the best.Can you guys take this out of here and to PM please. And it's absolutely not the same. The only way for it to be the same is with THE SAME MOM AND POP. There's no one who has same and I mean SAME parents that shanti does PERIOD. Therefore it's not the same. Even when there are 2 strains available for purchase to the public. There's no one who grow his strains longer than him. So unless they're buying 100s maybe even a thousand seeds of EACH strain and doing SERIOUS selecting. A cross from anyone but him won't be the same quality. Even if they come from the same stock! It's that simple. I'm not saying he's the only guy in the world with a good eye at selecting parents and decades of experience. But even those that do know and can how reasonable is it that the others know his lines better than him?
Do you really think every seed bank and or breeder has a real original northern lights? I don't. But they all dam well say they do. I'm not even going to say what they're selling is "bad"! However if it's not real every cross that breeder claims to have even if he crossed them himself can't ever have a true NL cross. But that's what many companies do.
Any jack ass can buy a pack of black widow and let them cross pollinate. Anyone can even pick their best female. Not so many can choose the BEST male.
BUT let's assume they get it right absolutely the best male and female are chosen. You STILL don't have the same thing he's selling. What you've got is an F1 seed. In your selection process you've made it more likely some things will show in the seeds. As well as made others less likely. This might even make something you enjoy more than the original. But it's NOT the same.
Listen you seem to be missing the point. You've said this before. I don't care that you said it. I do mind the preaching. The real point went over your head.I believe I will keep my comments public..........My discussion is relevant and my real experience is valuable........ But,since you don't know,Cultivators Choice was contracted by many Dutch seedbanks to produce seed due to their inability to supply demand,including Greenhouse seeds,Breeders retail bought these seeds up and are selling these old,original seeds.They have old stock of the original crossings made with the original mother's and fathers THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY EXIST....You believe what you're told and I'll believe my real life experiences........ Shanti is a badass breeder and I even recommend his current version is GWS,but I have no choice to believe he lost all his original mother's,no one has them.Could I be wrong? Yes! But I have no choice but to believe my own eyes.Grew the original,Grew the new Mr.Nice SS and GH GWS and now I'm off to try the original cross again. ......You know,you seem very certain in the truth of these stories you've been told about these original mother's being kept alive but I'm willing to bet you've only read it and are regurgitating what you've heard, not what you've seen..........You should understand that I only want to inform the public.Many of you have been burned by Greenhouse and then discovered Mr.Nice and then discovered that Shanti is,in fact,a world class breeder when you grew out his beans and got some great weed when all you got from Greenhouse was hermies.Im not saying Mr.Nice sucks or promating any company.What im saying is that regardless of Shanti being a great breeder,he's lost his mothers and is selling remakes of them that arent even close to the origonal versions,dank,but not the orgional versions........I wish everyone could see this post for what it is,it's me caring enough about my fellow man to say the truth I've seen with my own eyes.To protect a community to often lied to for the sake of dollars................Don't worry about me posting here again.I've said all I have to say,thanks for your time and wish you all the best.