charles lewis
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This was a nice read. I think when brick top say fake he means that scientifictly its not the body stone of natural cbd. It still works but aint the same shit.
Trichomes, cloudy=good, amber=shit
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Esdreel
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/harvesting.841695/
I got a bunch of tranquilizers that lets you sleep all day, no strength to do anything.
I got a bunch of tranquilizers that lets you sleep all day, no strength to do anything.
dals09
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i know im pretty late, but its the best thread i ever read.
Bricktop you are a cannabis genius, and you completely redefine the way i will harvest my weed in the future.
In fact, i join this forum only to thanks you a bunch
I got 3 big plants right now, with 95/5% cloudy/amber. I will harvest tm morning.
Bricktop you are a cannabis genius, and you completely redefine the way i will harvest my weed in the future.
In fact, i join this forum only to thanks you a bunch
I got 3 big plants right now, with 95/5% cloudy/amber. I will harvest tm morning.
ismann
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I thought CBD wasn't psychoactive at all? Most connoisseurs I know say CBD makes them less high. Like if they smoke a really high CBD strain and then smoke a super potent THC strain, they won't get very high.
I know it all depends on personal preference, but if I pick before 30% amber or so, the high doesn't last very long. Maybe 45 minutes. By letting my plants go to 50% amber, the high lasts much longer and though it's more stony, I don't feel tired unless I'm sitting down or it is at night.
Maybe more experienced people can chime in.
I know it all depends on personal preference, but if I pick before 30% amber or so, the high doesn't last very long. Maybe 45 minutes. By letting my plants go to 50% amber, the high lasts much longer and though it's more stony, I don't feel tired unless I'm sitting down or it is at night.
Maybe more experienced people can chime in.
cat of curiosity
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yes, old thread, bumped up to ignite yet another argument. but hey, whatever gets us away from this dumbshit election, right?i know im pretty late, but its the best thread i ever read.
Bricktop you are a cannabis genius, and you completely redefine the way i will harvest my weed in the future.
In fact, i join this forum only to thanks you a bunch
cannabidol is active. it's degraded delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol. it produces sedative effects, unwanted for a good giggly high, necessary for a good sleepy stone. i will say this; it takes MONTHS to take a strain 'too long' to where it decreases effect. as the old saying goes, ''if you think it's done, wait another week''. most who follow this rule experience tremendous gains in final yield/weight, with some of the most potent stuff you can find.
it certainly is! but there are a few more old sayings that apply here... 'there's my way, there's your way, and then there's the RIGHT way', and 'there are a thousand ways to do anything, but only 87 of them work'...
it's always up to you, but if you are uncertain, experiment. harvest at different stages, find what works for you. the best part of having multiple (thousands) of strains is being able to find one that custom fits your needs. once you have your keeper/s, you're golden.
dals09
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i 1000% agree
Madrigal
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Damn. I signed up to talk to BrickTop and now I see he's gone.
This thread was great, thanks for the info. I would have liked to understand this sooner. If you are trying to help patients with medical marijuana, the drowsiness/disorientation from CBNs can be a very negative factor as it affects the desire to eat.
This thread was great, thanks for the info. I would have liked to understand this sooner. If you are trying to help patients with medical marijuana, the drowsiness/disorientation from CBNs can be a very negative factor as it affects the desire to eat.
Cx2H
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Well welcome anyway, hope you stick around.
fandango
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Just like a tomato pick the first top buds @ cloudy heads,wait 10 days and pick another section(these will have more of a mixed color)do this into the cold season and compare your favorite smoke,as well as increase your yield bye 40%
tstick
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I'm one of the older forum members and I can testify to the fact that, back in the day, our weed was....simpler. There was good weed and there was ditch weed. Whenever anyone had the good weed, you could smell it as soon as the holder of it entered the room. And, yes, it did smell like a skunk. And, yes, when you smoked it, you got higher than shit with the true, warm, fuzzy body stone (intense!) as well as the enhanced color perception and the euphoric feeling that life was awesome.
But, it also recently dawned on me that the world wasn't the same world then....People were open to love. They weren't as suspicious. There wasn't the "win at all cost" attitude. Yeah, you might get the occasional person to flip you off (is that still even a phrase?), but there wasn't nearly as much of a threat that they might shoot you and empty the clip into your face. So, I do believe that our minds received the chemicals differently...in addition to the fact that good weed was universally much the same. If it had the smell, then it just went to reason that it was going to do the job.
People didn't used to describe a marijuana high in nearly so many ways. It was a kind of universal high feeling that most everyone knew the same way....as I described above. It wasn't that Sativas were "uplifting" and Indicas were "couch lock"...Rather, it was that there were a relatively-limited number of strains that were almost always grown to full maturity and often allowed to be pollinated and produce seeds...ripe seeds. So, by that measure, you always knew the weed was ready for harvest. There wasn't the questioning of trichome color or whether or not the plants were flushed or any of that stuff. It didn't matter if the trim job was immaculate...Pretty much all the details that are used to market weed, today, didn't even get a thought back then.
Sometimes I wonder if we didn't miss the boat with all the focus on just a few, isolated components of the plants -THC, CBD...Trying to breed plants to smell like lemons, etc...I think we might be short-changing ourselves in many ways because of all our selectivity. I feel like maybe the science has removed some of the magic. I wish there was a way to get back to some of those old, untouched strains, to really compare them instead of all us old guys telling wistful stories about back in the day! Ah well...at least it was there for awhile....and so was i!
But, it also recently dawned on me that the world wasn't the same world then....People were open to love. They weren't as suspicious. There wasn't the "win at all cost" attitude. Yeah, you might get the occasional person to flip you off (is that still even a phrase?), but there wasn't nearly as much of a threat that they might shoot you and empty the clip into your face. So, I do believe that our minds received the chemicals differently...in addition to the fact that good weed was universally much the same. If it had the smell, then it just went to reason that it was going to do the job.
People didn't used to describe a marijuana high in nearly so many ways. It was a kind of universal high feeling that most everyone knew the same way....as I described above. It wasn't that Sativas were "uplifting" and Indicas were "couch lock"...Rather, it was that there were a relatively-limited number of strains that were almost always grown to full maturity and often allowed to be pollinated and produce seeds...ripe seeds. So, by that measure, you always knew the weed was ready for harvest. There wasn't the questioning of trichome color or whether or not the plants were flushed or any of that stuff. It didn't matter if the trim job was immaculate...Pretty much all the details that are used to market weed, today, didn't even get a thought back then.
Sometimes I wonder if we didn't miss the boat with all the focus on just a few, isolated components of the plants -THC, CBD...Trying to breed plants to smell like lemons, etc...I think we might be short-changing ourselves in many ways because of all our selectivity. I feel like maybe the science has removed some of the magic. I wish there was a way to get back to some of those old, untouched strains, to really compare them instead of all us old guys telling wistful stories about back in the day!
Ah well...at least it was there for awhile....and so was i!
tstick
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For me, the evolution of getting high on marijuana was starting out on some Mexican weed that was grown (by today's standards) completely wrong!....and yet...it wasn't grown wrong at all! What I mean is, almost all the "lids" (
) were leafy and seedy and I cannot remember ever seeing a trichome or anything that sparkled on any of it....still got high with it, though...mmmmmaybe not the greatest high, but still pretty effective! Next, someone showed up with a bag of Colombian and it looked like golden, rock-hard turds and smelled like caramel and sweet earthiness....and when it hit your lungs it "expanded" (Expando!) and after you finished coughing your head off, you were so high, you never wanted to come down!
But, every now and then, someone would show up with "The Skunk" That was just a general term for it, anyway. I have no idea what the genetics were...but it was dead-on, roadkill, rotting skunk smelling stuff...When you smoked it, it tasted indescribable -not like the rotting skunk it smelled like, at all...but maybe something more along the lines of HEAVY over-ripe blueberries. It was thick, heavy, dense smoke that hung in the air. You couldn't get away from the smell, either. That's a big reason why people started wearing patchouli oil back then. It was about the only thing that would mask the skunk smell! In fact, I remember people coming up to me and smelling the skunk on me...I would say that I drove past a dead skunk on the way....totally believable!...right, mom?
I am now convinced that the biggest reason we don't see that old skunk anymore is exactly because of the fact that you could NOT hide it. People would face going to prison for a long time for possessing marijuana back then...I think the idea that growers got was to breed out that skunk in favor of fruits and lemons and floral "prettier" smelling strains that could be masked. The real skunk went away because it was so incriminating! But, man-oh-man...IF I could get that strain, I'd be a millionaire (at least), nowadays.
) were leafy and seedy and I cannot remember ever seeing a trichome or anything that sparkled on any of it....still got high with it, though...mmmmmaybe not the greatest high, but still pretty effective! Next, someone showed up with a bag of Colombian and it looked like golden, rock-hard turds and smelled like caramel and sweet earthiness....and when it hit your lungs it "expanded" (Expando!) and after you finished coughing your head off, you were so high, you never wanted to come down!But, every now and then, someone would show up with "The Skunk" That was just a general term for it, anyway. I have no idea what the genetics were...but it was dead-on, roadkill, rotting skunk smelling stuff...When you smoked it, it tasted indescribable -not like the rotting skunk it smelled like, at all...but maybe something more along the lines of HEAVY over-ripe blueberries. It was thick, heavy, dense smoke that hung in the air. You couldn't get away from the smell, either. That's a big reason why people started wearing patchouli oil back then. It was about the only thing that would mask the skunk smell! In fact, I remember people coming up to me and smelling the skunk on me...I would say that I drove past a dead skunk on the way....totally believable!...right, mom?
I am now convinced that the biggest reason we don't see that old skunk anymore is exactly because of the fact that you could NOT hide it. People would face going to prison for a long time for possessing marijuana back then...I think the idea that growers got was to breed out that skunk in favor of fruits and lemons and floral "prettier" smelling strains that could be masked. The real skunk went away because it was so incriminating!
But, man-oh-man...IF I could get that strain, I'd be a millionaire (at least), nowadays.
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tstick
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Sorry to be blathering on and on...but I just remembered something I wanted to pose to all the newer generation smokers who might be slightly skeptical of another "well-back-in-MY-day" anecdote....
Just as an example....I'm sure most of us have had the experience of driving somewhere along some lonely highway or backroad, late at night....moving at a pretty fast speed....when, suddenly, you start to smell a skunk.....and you're car is moving down the road for maybe a mile or two before the stench finally starts to dissipate a bit! I always marvel at the "stickiness" of those molecules that hang in the air and form an invisible "mist" in the air that will stick to anything in the vicinity. Even that quick exposure to those airborne molecules is enough to "mark" you!
IF people were to grow the real skunk strain in a commercial greenhouse, the odor of that greenhouse would be smelled for miles and miles -in much the same way that real skunk-spray can be smelled...doesn't matter how fast you run through that smell...it WILL stick to you! Furthermore, one of my best buddies is one of the owners of a commercial grow op and even that entire range doesn't generate anywhere near the stank of even one of the old-school skunk plants. I would love to grow that strain, but if I did, then everyone in the vicinity would smell it and it would hang in the air for a long time...and I'd probably get broken into and ripped off.....so you now see the dilemma of growing such a strain!
Just as an example....I'm sure most of us have had the experience of driving somewhere along some lonely highway or backroad, late at night....moving at a pretty fast speed....when, suddenly, you start to smell a skunk.....and you're car is moving down the road for maybe a mile or two before the stench finally starts to dissipate a bit! I always marvel at the "stickiness" of those molecules that hang in the air and form an invisible "mist" in the air that will stick to anything in the vicinity. Even that quick exposure to those airborne molecules is enough to "mark" you!
IF people were to grow the real skunk strain in a commercial greenhouse, the odor of that greenhouse would be smelled for miles and miles -in much the same way that real skunk-spray can be smelled...doesn't matter how fast you run through that smell...it WILL stick to you! Furthermore, one of my best buddies is one of the owners of a commercial grow op and even that entire range doesn't generate anywhere near the stank of even one of the old-school skunk plants. I would love to grow that strain, but if I did, then everyone in the vicinity would smell it and it would hang in the air for a long time...and I'd probably get broken into and ripped off.....so you now see the dilemma of growing such a strain!
dagwood45431
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Great, detailed information (and educational). Thank you!CBD is what gives a true body stone, a true couch-lock stone. Since CBD has almost been totally bred out of modern strains smokers who like couch-lock have had to resort to giving up THC, throwing away THC, intentionally allowing the level of THC to drop as it oxidizes and become CBN so they can get a fake body stone from it, a false couch-lock stone from it. That is what amber trichomes actually mean. Amber is a sign of oxidized THC, THC that has been lost and transformed into a substance that is only mildly psychoactive.
Most couch-lock lovers refuse to accept and believe that fact, but nonetheless, it is a fact.
CANNABIDIOL (CBD)
Cannabidiol is nonpsychoactive and was initially thought to have no effect on the psycho activity of THC. Recent evidence however show that smokers of cannabis are less likely to experience schizophrenia-like symptoms if there is a higher CBD to THC ratio. Experiments show that participants experienced less intense psychotic effects when intravenous THC was co-administered with CBD. It has been hypothesized that CBD acts as an allosteric antagonist at the CB1 receptor and thus alters the psychoactive effects of THC, resulting in a more easily manageable high.
CBD is generally considered to have more medicinal properties than THC. It appears to relieve convulsion, inflammation (and thereby also migraines), anxiety and nausea. That is why strains with a high concentration of CBD is suitable for medicinal use.
Although CBD has its own particular medicinal value it is not more important than THC when it comes to treating various afflictions. It is the interaction between the two that gives rise to the effect that sometimes alleviates the symptoms of various medical conditions.
CBD has a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor than for the CB1 receptor, meaning that its effect is mostly in the body and not so much in the head. CBD shares a precursor with THC and is the main cannabinoid in low-THC cannabis strains like hemp.
Landrace strains, usually of indica heritage, contain higher concentrations of CBD than recreational drug strains, which are usually bred towards a higher concentration of THC. This is the reason why strains containing high ratios of CBD can be difficult to find.
TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL (THC)
Tetrahydrocannabinol, also known as delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC), is the primary psychoactive component found in the cannabis plant. It was first isolated by Raphael Mechoulam, Yechiel Gaoni, and Habib Edery from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel, in 1964.
This is the main compound that gives rise to the high that is tightly linked with the cannabis plant. It affects several areas of the brain simultaneously and can therefore give rise to an assortment of experiences, ranging from altered perception of time and the self, to feelings of euphoria and relaxation all through the body.
Medically, it appears to be analgetic, meaning that it is capable of alleviating even severe pain. It is also known to be neuroprotective, which rules out the possibility of brain damage, which was initially proposed to follow from heavy use of the plant. It has approximately equal affinity for the CB1 and CB2 receptors. By binding to CB1 receptors (the ones in brain) it produces the high that we are so familiar with. That is why the effects of THC is more cerebral, than the effect of CBD, which seems to have a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor.
CANNABINOL (CBN)
Cannabinol is the primary degradation product of THC and increases in concentration with plant age. The concentration of this product in the bud is heavily dependent on the time of harvest. Harvesting the bud at a late stage also means that the concentration of CBN in relation to THC will be higher when compared to the peak of THC production.
CBN content increases as THC degrades. It is only mildly psychoactive and can cause "fuzzy head", drowsiness, disorientation and sleepiness in the smoker, properties that can be considered unpleasant in nature compared to the clear high of the THC. Its affinity to the CB2 receptors is higher than for the CB1 receptor, meaning that it mostly affects the body.
THC BIOSYNTHESIS
dagwood45431
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I won't be having any more kids. Next cat or dog I adopt will be named Brick Top for sure!
Tangerine_
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I fondly remember my father growing "skunk" for yrs and yrs and it smelled exactly as you described. No sweetness...just straight up pungent skunk spray. Back then (70-80s) everything was grown outside and oddly, it never really smelled in the fields unless it was during a rough fall storm. I do remember it smelling up our barn when he dried it. Processing was quick and swift back then though. After he passed my brother found a foot locker with some coffee cans full of seeds he must've forgotten about. I doubt they'd germ and its hard to say what they are or where they came from so we just keep em for the sake of memories.
I'll never forget that smoke or the anticipation family and friends had when fall rolled around. Oh, and then again at Christmas. He always had a few lbs stashed away for the holidays.
Try searching on that. It's a cut and paste from several sources and I don't agree with all of them. But my education is not in that field, @cannabineer what do you think?
tstick
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Ummm....You never know! They have found seeds buried with mummies in tombs that are thousands of years old....and they sprouted! If you have a lot of seeds, it very well might be possible to bring a couple back -no kidding! They might be slow to grow for the first generation...but might gain vitality with subsequent generations. If I were you, then I'd be absolutely going nuts to try and see what happens!