Freedom farmer 420
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Thanks for ur much appreciated response it was just what I was looking for advice from sumone who has experience with both thnx again guy ur the best
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Tangerine_
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The social media "call outs" are what put me off...with ANY breeder unless they're forced to defend themselves from attacks online of course. If MM gave the beans away with stipulations that weren't met or were ignored then he should deal with it directly. Its a shitty thing to do with free seeds and even worse with testers.
But the "call outs", threats, and insults on social media just make them look terrible. I must be from a different time because the men I know would sooner shave their balls with bear trap then play tough guy on the internet.
Oh, btw...my days going good.
About to indulge in some homemade biscuits and garlic butter moose meat followed by a puff session of Bubba and end with slice of lemon meringue pie. yeaaaaaaa boi
Vato_504
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Damn that shit sounds good man. Shit you made me hungry fam..The social media "call outs" are what put me off...with ANY breeder unless they're forced to defend themselves from attacks online of course. If MM gave the beans away with stipulations that weren't met or were ignored then he should deal with it directly. Its a shitty thing to do with free seeds and even worse with testers.
But the "call outs", threats, and insults on social media just make them look terrible. I must be from a different time because the men I know would sooner shave their balls with bear trap then play tough guy on the internet.
Oh, btw...my days going good.
chemphlegm
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not really aye? this may show you that Bodhi(which I love too) has a vibe more in tune with your personal chemotype, you like their gear better, not really a testament to which one actually produces a better seed or experience, just a personal preference really, your own personal proof
"keeper" is subjective.
The traits one breeder chases are very often different than traits others chase, is why we have such diversity. If all breeders chased your desired traits.....we'd all be smoking exactly what you like?
"I find keepers in every pack of seeds from every breeder I got them from", subjective?
dont think I'm arguing please, I am not. but you know we all enjoy a different effect, not just your favorites, and that is not proof of any kind in this picture , except for you right?
perfect too, some people are always looking for their holy grails, some never find them, happy you did though, can be an expensive trek for us.
I am not, do not, care not about any of these breeders. I dont keep up on the hype, or the breeder wars. I never spoke to bodhi or topdawg, and I do love both of their work. I dont sell seeds, clones, equipment, cloners, and never entered a cannabis cup or even attended one. I got no dogs in the seed race
Tangerine_
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If you're going to quote me, post the whole quote in its entirety.
"Not gonna lie. I've found more keepers with Bodhi than Top Dawg. Its not about price as much as it is about taking a different approach to "breeding".
This thread barely has any activity at all compared to Bodhi threads here and at countless other grow forums.
The proof is in the pudding so to speak"
First. That was a reply to another member regarding price point.
Second. My statement is not directly dependent upon my experience but the countless experiences of others. There are literally thousands of grow reports on Bodhis gear. That is the indisputable proof and has very little to do with me. I added my experience...like I do with every grow I report on.
How many times have you told new members or readers inquiring about chem crosses that TD is the end-all-be-all of cannabis breeders?
There isn't a single breeder I could ever say that about. I have found some absolute fire with JJs gear as have countless growers/breeders...many continue to successfully use some of his select crosses to this day. No one ever claimed he didn't put out some fire.I have never grown any more satisfying cultivars in my life than those sold by Topdawg, every one I ever grew, every bean, male and female has been the best marijuana rep I've experience.
if you can check out some of his haze/tre creations, oh my
And like other growers, I've also grown out some of this strains that were terrible. Completely unstable, herms, and phenos all over the map. IME, most decent breeders want the bad reports along with good. Unless of course its about the almighty dollar and they're worshipping the wrong shade of green.
I'm here to sincerely report on the strains I've grown out by JJ (an occasionally crosses with his gear) Whether they're good or bad, I will include as many details and pics possible.
And these "traits" and "personal chemotypes" you speak of...LOL C'mon...it has more to do with stability and breeding methods. If its good...its good. And if its not, well thats just how it goes.
I respect many of the growers here and because of that I will never shill for any breeder...ever.
Rather than call out the other members here who've had issues, or those that don't feel TD commands the price point when compared to similar genetics, why not simply throw up some pics of all these Top Dawg strains you've grown out? Contribute some grow reports even if its just a single pic...otherwise you come off as disingenuous.
I may not be the brightest star in the sky but dont piss on my shoes and tell me its raining.
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Vato_504
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From my short time on this grow word TD was a force to be reckoned with some years ago. Now it seems like his shit is being watered down. But they have other breeders that have his old stock that was super fire that's making better crosses then him now and that's what JJ don't like. JJ isn't the chem lord he's far from it. JJ was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time when all that shit went down with reszdog. Can you still find fire in JJ shit I would hope so with all the packs I have of his. But with all this bitching and crying on social media that shits throws customers off.
Tangerine_
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Oh geezus. I remember that shit. Fucking Rez. What a complete dildo.
I would much rather see JJ take a more selective approach. Focus on the winners and make them more available. I think part of the problem is he's got too much going on.
The TreDawg and OGs I grew out of his were absolute fire. And I have high hopes for the Guava D I'm running now and I plan to drop his Inner Eye next month. Add to that the Appalachian Super Skunk and Wolf Pack (Giesel cross) I'm going to have to double down on odor control.
If I could find some solid info on the mother used in the #1 3 OGs I'd snag that and add it to the line up as well.
Freedom farmer 420
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I'd like to try the 3 ogs #3 but im Leary every one of supposed to be ogs I've tried so far has been nothing like the real og it doesn't have to be dead on just get me real close to it just kinda tired of chasing the dragon every time I see an og strain I think of sumthing else I could be spending money on that won't disappoint
chemphlegm
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i would put pics up, but that dont prove anything either ya know. just that I have some pics of plants is all.
I dont like finding my pics online, in places I didnt put them, I'm sure you understand?
Me stating that Tres gear is the best I ever had shouldnt bother you eh? maybe I only grew two other varieties and tres was the fire? why be bummed I made the statement, I'm just a poster, sharing my experience, take it or leave it right? sorry you didnt fine your best yet , but I sure did! hooray for me right?
can you point me to your best Chemdog representation?
I know I loved on HSO 91 and still do. some will favor this one and some another surely. I like tres gear,
and think the older chems of his are superb reps, better than any I've experienced. Now, that dont mean too much either, since I likely havent experienced every chem rep, but still, tres remains my best rep. I've grown varieties that grew awesome, tasted good too, but didnt fit with my schedule so I skipped them, theres so many different traits for a breeder to focus on for sure, not just the buzz. Very few breeders I come across share my vibe, or fit in with my garden theme. Tres is one that does very well here, I feel I must share that with anyone doubting the gear, be unfair not to imo, as would not mentioning its my very best chem.
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chemphlegm
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3 OGs #1 = Loompa's Underdawg OG (F) x 2 OGs (M) ?
Origins and Backstory: This is the famous clone-only from Loompa of Loompa Farms. It is also known as Underdawg OG, and has been bred into seed into the popular Yeti OG. To my knowledge, it is rumored that she is a cross of OG Kush and Sour Diesel. I am not sure how true that is, but some diesel and OG ancestry is credible. She is well-known for being very exclusive, but I have seen her more in recent years than ever before. I grew her twice, and I can testify first-hand to this being a very sensitive plant. It takes a keen eye to be able to grow this one well.
Appearance: Dense, fist-sized pine cone nuggets of glory come off of a well-grown Loompa's Headband plant, with very little larf or hash material. She pitches beautifully green buds that look like Christmas trees, covered in tinsel of trichomes and bright red pistil ornaments. She has the classic OG structure to her, very appetizing to the eye.
Aroma: This is classic OG, the signature smell that regular tokers can consistently recognize with blindfolds on. She smells of jet tarmac, fuel and burning rubber, sour lemon pinesol cleaner, pine forest, sourdough and rye bread, and green plaintains. It is so complex, interesting, and high-octane smelling that it inspires one to repeatedly huff the jar. It is really something incredible, and wildly bizarre that a plant exists that smells like this one. She has the classic cannabis smell of the skunk-in-a-wet-field sort, and genuinely smelled like roadkill skunk when drying. The cure brings out even more complex flavors and depth of OG that is nothing short of exquisite. This is undeniably luxurious cannabis.
Flavor: Like her aroma, the flavor of Loompa's Headband is just incredible. Flavors of jet and drag racing fuel lead the way with heavy notes of rubber, pinesol, and pine needles. It is like experiencing a very sour race track or jet tarmac in your mouth. There is also a sort of rye bread and sourdough flavor that comes through strongly. She is sour and musty, but a different kind of musty. It is not a must and spice ala the Kush varieties, but something that almost smells like moldy bread, or older yogurt. Perhaps it is the way she was grown, but there is also a strong aftertaste of earth, loam, and wet soil. Headband and OG Kush are akin to the cannabis varietals of fine Scotch. The intense, interesting, unique flavor keeps you coming back for more, delving deeper into the stone.
Effects: Loompa's cut is hard-hitting, immediate, and behind the eyes. She is definitely indica dominant but has a strong sativa component as well. This one actually is more reminiscient of Headband than OG, and is somewhat calm and relaxed while retaining heavy potency. She is euphoric, mellow, feel-good, and very long lasting. The lingering effect of Loompa's Headband smoke has stayed with me for 3-6 hours depending on circumstances. Her full potency takes a while to creep up, but the full effect is something to behold. She is dreamy, but surprisingly not too debilitating. The satisfaction factor of this ganja is very high--this plant is so strong, happy, relaxing, sweet, and mellowing. All of the effects combine into a very satisfying smoke, making one content with minimal amounts. She is medicinal in every sense of the word, a deep soul healer and physical pain killer. This is versatile herb as far as effects go, and is great for smoking pretty much every time except early morning. Even then, it is not the worst thing in the world.
Overall Experience: This is a clone with a much-deserved reputation. One of, if not THE original Headband clone, this plant is sure to satisfy any OG, Headband, or Chem lover, and will surely leave nobody wanting in regards to potency. The appearance is the classic look of strong OG Kush cannabis, but the aroma is the classic Headband. It is so sour, musty, and fuel-piney which translates well into flavor. It is thoroughly enjoyable and begs to be enjoyed over and over, which can lead to a dreamy, but surprisingly not-too-foggy afternoon. This cannabis is a classic and will always be a favorite of mine, showing unique characteristics of the original diesel family as well as OG Kush. She makes for a unique smoke, even if one is well-versed in diesels, chem, and ogs. Even for the veteran with every elite clone in the garden, smoking Headband is satisfying and she never seems to cultivate a tolerance. It seems I can always reach for my jar of Loompa's for a satisfying smoke, regardless of how often I've been smoking her or other potency powerhouses. All around an epic and elite clone-only that deserves space in any garden. Lovely bouquet, but an exquisite effect.
http://www.higherthought.guru/blog/2016/2/16/loompas-headband-aka-underdawg-og
Loompa Farms - Underdawg
Aka: Underdog
Aka: Loompa's Headband
Strain Lineage / Genealogy
Origins and Backstory: This is the famous clone-only from Loompa of Loompa Farms. It is also known as Underdawg OG, and has been bred into seed into the popular Yeti OG. To my knowledge, it is rumored that she is a cross of OG Kush and Sour Diesel. I am not sure how true that is, but some diesel and OG ancestry is credible. She is well-known for being very exclusive, but I have seen her more in recent years than ever before. I grew her twice, and I can testify first-hand to this being a very sensitive plant. It takes a keen eye to be able to grow this one well.
Appearance: Dense, fist-sized pine cone nuggets of glory come off of a well-grown Loompa's Headband plant, with very little larf or hash material. She pitches beautifully green buds that look like Christmas trees, covered in tinsel of trichomes and bright red pistil ornaments. She has the classic OG structure to her, very appetizing to the eye.
Aroma: This is classic OG, the signature smell that regular tokers can consistently recognize with blindfolds on. She smells of jet tarmac, fuel and burning rubber, sour lemon pinesol cleaner, pine forest, sourdough and rye bread, and green plaintains. It is so complex, interesting, and high-octane smelling that it inspires one to repeatedly huff the jar. It is really something incredible, and wildly bizarre that a plant exists that smells like this one. She has the classic cannabis smell of the skunk-in-a-wet-field sort, and genuinely smelled like roadkill skunk when drying. The cure brings out even more complex flavors and depth of OG that is nothing short of exquisite. This is undeniably luxurious cannabis.
Flavor: Like her aroma, the flavor of Loompa's Headband is just incredible. Flavors of jet and drag racing fuel lead the way with heavy notes of rubber, pinesol, and pine needles. It is like experiencing a very sour race track or jet tarmac in your mouth. There is also a sort of rye bread and sourdough flavor that comes through strongly. She is sour and musty, but a different kind of musty. It is not a must and spice ala the Kush varieties, but something that almost smells like moldy bread, or older yogurt. Perhaps it is the way she was grown, but there is also a strong aftertaste of earth, loam, and wet soil. Headband and OG Kush are akin to the cannabis varietals of fine Scotch. The intense, interesting, unique flavor keeps you coming back for more, delving deeper into the stone.
Effects: Loompa's cut is hard-hitting, immediate, and behind the eyes. She is definitely indica dominant but has a strong sativa component as well. This one actually is more reminiscient of Headband than OG, and is somewhat calm and relaxed while retaining heavy potency. She is euphoric, mellow, feel-good, and very long lasting. The lingering effect of Loompa's Headband smoke has stayed with me for 3-6 hours depending on circumstances. Her full potency takes a while to creep up, but the full effect is something to behold. She is dreamy, but surprisingly not too debilitating. The satisfaction factor of this ganja is very high--this plant is so strong, happy, relaxing, sweet, and mellowing. All of the effects combine into a very satisfying smoke, making one content with minimal amounts. She is medicinal in every sense of the word, a deep soul healer and physical pain killer. This is versatile herb as far as effects go, and is great for smoking pretty much every time except early morning. Even then, it is not the worst thing in the world.
Overall Experience: This is a clone with a much-deserved reputation. One of, if not THE original Headband clone, this plant is sure to satisfy any OG, Headband, or Chem lover, and will surely leave nobody wanting in regards to potency. The appearance is the classic look of strong OG Kush cannabis, but the aroma is the classic Headband. It is so sour, musty, and fuel-piney which translates well into flavor. It is thoroughly enjoyable and begs to be enjoyed over and over, which can lead to a dreamy, but surprisingly not-too-foggy afternoon. This cannabis is a classic and will always be a favorite of mine, showing unique characteristics of the original diesel family as well as OG Kush. She makes for a unique smoke, even if one is well-versed in diesels, chem, and ogs. Even for the veteran with every elite clone in the garden, smoking Headband is satisfying and she never seems to cultivate a tolerance. It seems I can always reach for my jar of Loompa's for a satisfying smoke, regardless of how often I've been smoking her or other potency powerhouses. All around an epic and elite clone-only that deserves space in any garden. Lovely bouquet, but an exquisite effect.
http://www.higherthought.guru/blog/2016/2/16/loompas-headband-aka-underdawg-og
Loompa Farms - Underdawg
Aka: Underdog
Aka: Loompa's Headband
Strain Lineage / Genealogy
- Underdawg »»» Headband
- Headband
- »»» Chemdawg x {MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL}
- MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL
- MassSuperSkunk
- Super Skunk Probably
- »»» Skunk #1 x Afghanistan
- Skunk #1
- Afghanistan »»» Indica
- Super Skunk Probably
- SensiNL
- »»» NL #1 x NL #2 x NL #5
- NL #1 IBL
- Afghanistan »»» Indica
- NL #2
- Northern Lights
- Afghanistan Indica Probably »»» Indica
- Northern Lights
- NL #5
- MassSuperSkunk
- Chemdawg
- Unknown Indica »»» Indica
chemphlegm
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where have you had your real og? and what was it called and who bred it? I know of a dozen maybe og's, all fire too, different from each other. I'm guessing on many afghan kush mountain range varieties we never even had yet, I cant wait!
the only og's I didnt enjoy compared were the older bubba kush's, boring compared to Ghost Og for instance
Tangerine_
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But the question is, is it really Loompas cut. He kinda pulled a "JJ" and claims it isn't.
Ahh, but therein lies the problem with all these "breeder gripes".
They've changed the name of the cut too a few times to and that doesn't help. I should've worded my question different but I tried to frame in a general way so not to open that can of worms. Hoping someone had some personal experience with and maybe a description of the traits present.
I want to replace a mother plant thats tired and I've been going back and forth between the #1 3 OGs or the two very available Bodhi crosses with HeadBand.
Thanks for the info though
Ahh, but therein lies the problem with all these "breeder gripes".
They've changed the name of the cut too a few times to and that doesn't help. I should've worded my question different but I tried to frame in a general way so not to open that can of worms. Hoping someone had some personal experience with and maybe a description of the traits present.I want to replace a mother plant thats tired and I've been going back and forth between the #1 3 OGs or the two very available Bodhi crosses with HeadBand.
Thanks for the info though
SensiPuff
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Tangerine I would like to suggest that maybe you have had better luck with bodhi cause you are running his well known stable crosses. There are so many ssdd journals out there. You know what to expect when you're growing it.
Earlier you stated that you ran the star kush from top dawg. Now let's just take a step back. Star kush is one of the cheaper crosses made by top dawg. And one of the least documented. It's safe to say this line hasn't been worked much. On the flipside, the chem 91 recently released by tds (a very worked line) was reported to have underwhelming smells. Now I'm not saying you chose the wrong strains to run. But maybe just maybe you would have better luck with a more documented cross such as the stardawg ix or underdawg d. Where people are consistently reporting fire results. As they do with the ssdd from bodhi. Just my 2 cents so you don't miss out on something you may enjoy.
Earlier you stated that you ran the star kush from top dawg. Now let's just take a step back. Star kush is one of the cheaper crosses made by top dawg. And one of the least documented. It's safe to say this line hasn't been worked much. On the flipside, the chem 91 recently released by tds (a very worked line) was reported to have underwhelming smells. Now I'm not saying you chose the wrong strains to run. But maybe just maybe you would have better luck with a more documented cross such as the stardawg ix or underdawg d. Where people are consistently reporting fire results. As they do with the ssdd from bodhi. Just my 2 cents so you don't miss out on something you may enjoy.
Freedom farmer 420
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I got it from a friend who brought it back from out of state I'm far from ne where legal or rec so we do have access to any clones I've tried the purple of 18 from DNA I've tried the of from Dina the ogchem from connoisseur could find an of leaner and a couple other just can't remember the breeder those are just what I grew out personally
Tangerine_
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I've ran more than the Star Kush. I threw a photo up of the absolute best pheno I found (rather than the trichless others in that pack.) because as I've explained in past posts, this camera I'm using along with its SD card sank to the bottom of the river on a canoe trip last fall. I'm trying to work my way through thousands of photos while still posting "current" grow photos as well. If I dont have a pic of it or cant positively identify it I dont throw up any kind of grow report about it. And I've run a few other TDs and currently have the Guava D going now. I'm not really "new" to either breeder. I run a lot of the SSDD because its solid (and cloned easy so one side of my bloom ended up all Bodhi and SinCity.) I mean c'mon...I'm certainly not trying to "shill" Bodhi in this thread. And if you read any of my past posts you'll see that not every pack of Bodhi I ran had keepers. Good smoke...but not "great". Same with Sin City, Karma, OGR, DJ Short etc. (I feel its only far to throw them all in that statement rather than turn this into a Bodhi vs TD thread)
It is what it is I guess.
Thanks for the suggestion too. The StarDawg IX is fire...no doubt about that but I have to get thru these packs of Guava and Inner Eye first. I've lost too many amazing cuts by taking on too much at once so I have to keep my "up next list" and "wish list" quite tailored. Also, I have a lot of crosses that used the SD so I've never really sought it out. Some good, some bad, and some phenomenal! Ha, one was even an unexpected free pack. I would've been sad had I gifted those away (I rarely run freebies)
As far as the OGs go. Hmmm, I guess it would depend on what you're looking for in an
OG. There's certainly a lot to choose from. Archives Face Off remains on my wishlist but I miss the drops every single time. Rare Dankness maybe?
Research can be such a huge time suck...
chemphlegm
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good luck finding that. maybe that grower used red lights and girl pee or sumpin....never to be repeated.
weed was different for me, before I had a mortgage, kids, business and decades of life........but after growing my own was able to find real fire once again, many times even. good luck
chemphlegm
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@Tangerine
trichless? what a bummer. but thats the shit I think about with reviews. not personal because I trust yours but I grew that same pack and found all of the fems to be stinking azz sticky flowers, all were really good to me. They all gave up roughly the same return in oil too, I dont get it. I've never seen weed flowered without bountiful trichs under hid's. do you use hid or led in flower?
trichless? what a bummer. but thats the shit I think about with reviews. not personal because I trust yours but I grew that same pack and found all of the fems to be stinking azz sticky flowers, all were really good to me. They all gave up roughly the same return in oil too, I dont get it. I've never seen weed flowered without bountiful trichs under hid's. do you use hid or led in flower?
Tangerine_
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Yeah. Pretty much trichless and no nose. And this is from running the females twice and the best looking one got a third run. I resisted posting details about the grow unless asked and put up the best pic due to limited info available. It was a let down but not huge. I'll probably just refrain from posting the rest.
I run 4K HPS mixed with 2 600 MH - Hortilux bulbs
chemphlegm
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I'd be pissed, and for breeding purposes, the one that was good, an anomaly maybe, will likely carry the shit genes along with her too, maybe to show up down the road after much work. any idea how one pack can have bunk and another of the same have fire? maybe shitty differing breeding environments?