714steadyeddie
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Do you think spinosad will do anything?
Two tent, somewhat perpetual grow
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horribleherk
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I've never heard of it but mold & spidermites are about the extent of those kind of problems I've had with the exception of problems I've created myself like over feeding & not maintaining my ph
714steadyeddie
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Ok man cool. At second look I think they may be trichomes lol I can't find my damn loupe
714steadyeddie
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So I went to the hydro store today and apparently hey stopped carrying tupur. So o went with Ocean forest instead. I'm moving away from coco and taking a step towards true living organics. FFof isn't organic but after this grow I plan to be.
Transplanting all the plants in veg right now... brb
Transplanting all the plants in veg right now... brb
horribleherk
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I've used ffof & happy frog as well soil & organics generates the best products & the grower that gets it nailed down can really have it going on
714steadyeddie
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THats positive news man thanks! I just got done but ran out of soil. I transplanted the big 4 into 3 gallons and placed them under the cob in flower mode now. Hopefully ocean forest will get me through flower
Evil-Mobo
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Let us know about the spots sorry brother been away a couple days health was in the shitter feeling better today.
We will get you squared away on the soil, do not go crazy buying FFOF, it's cool to start but not organic anymore and the are a few downsides IF you will be doing no till with it. I can explain later on via PM. We will get you squared away on soil though no worries.
We will get you squared away on the soil, do not go crazy buying FFOF, it's cool to start but not organic anymore and the are a few downsides IF you will be doing no till with it. I can explain later on via PM. We will get you squared away on soil though no worries.
714steadyeddie
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Spots were just trichs lol false alarmLet us know about the spots sorry brother been away a couple days health was in the shitter feeling better today.
We will get you squared away on the soil, do not go crazy buying FFOF, it's cool to start but not organic anymore and the are a few downsides IF you will be doing no till with it. I can explain later on via PM. We will get you squared away on soil though no worries.
FFOF will be just a banaid solution. I'll let blue dream, amnesia, chem og and whatever the fuck KOGK is finish off in that. I do have to transplant the mothers milk and tangie in it as well.
I want to start working on building the soil. I do have a good organic soil recipe Rasta Roy helped me put together. I need to start getting the amendments now
714steadyeddie
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How would I incorporate worms in my soil?Good deal on the trichs
Evil-Mobo
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714steadyeddie
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Shout out to @Rasta Roy , I made notes of a PM we had earlier. Here's the rundown of the organic soil I plan to use.
Organic soil recipe
15% castings
25% compost (leaf, wood chips)
60% tupur
Amendments
Kelp meal
Alfalfa meal
Carb shell meal
Oyster shell flour
Black strap unsulfured molasses
Epsom slats
Mix kelp meal directly in the soil at 2tbsp per gallon of soil.
Mix crab shell meal, oyster shell flour, fish bone meal into the soil at 1 tbsp per gallon of soil.
The alfalfa and kelp make great steep teas for veg or anytime you transplant. 1tbsp per gallon of water, let it sit for 24 hours and then apply. Mix well of course.
After you've planted into the mix. Top dress with a cup of worm castings, work it into the first top inches of soil, barely that deep. Then mulch with compost or pick up nondyed wood chips or straw.
When you first transplant you should do a steep tea with kelp and alfalfa. Then once a week do a steeped alfalfa tea. Water with molasses once while you're in veg but I wouldnt bother with it again until flower. Other than that just plain water.
The worm castings, compost, and steeped teas will give you all the readily available nutrients you need in veg.
If your plants are lacking for nitrogen just increase the strength of the alfalfa tea and top dress with another cup of castings. If you see a magnesium deficiency just add 1 tbsp per gallon of water of Epsom salts on your next water. Those are the two most common deficiencies for container gardening
When you switch to flower, pull aside the mulch and do a fresh top dressing of worm castings and sprinkle in some compost too (especially if you got a good fungal compost). Put the mulch back.
Do a steeped kelp tea once every week. Stop once you reach week 6 or 7. If you run out of kelp before that I wouldnt worry about it. Also add molasses once every other week at about 1/2 tbsp per gallon of water. Like the kelp, once you reach your last week or two of flower you can back off.
If you ever see any deficiencies at all than just do a kelp tea and fresh top dressing of worm castings and that should clear things up!
Adding Epsom salts at one tbsp a gallon while you're in week two thru six of flower can help give your plants a nice terpine and trichome boost.
Organic soil recipe
15% castings
25% compost (leaf, wood chips)
60% tupur
Amendments
Kelp meal
Alfalfa meal
Carb shell meal
Oyster shell flour
Black strap unsulfured molasses
Epsom slats
Mix kelp meal directly in the soil at 2tbsp per gallon of soil.
Mix crab shell meal, oyster shell flour, fish bone meal into the soil at 1 tbsp per gallon of soil.
The alfalfa and kelp make great steep teas for veg or anytime you transplant. 1tbsp per gallon of water, let it sit for 24 hours and then apply. Mix well of course.
After you've planted into the mix. Top dress with a cup of worm castings, work it into the first top inches of soil, barely that deep. Then mulch with compost or pick up nondyed wood chips or straw.
When you first transplant you should do a steep tea with kelp and alfalfa. Then once a week do a steeped alfalfa tea. Water with molasses once while you're in veg but I wouldnt bother with it again until flower. Other than that just plain water.
The worm castings, compost, and steeped teas will give you all the readily available nutrients you need in veg.
If your plants are lacking for nitrogen just increase the strength of the alfalfa tea and top dress with another cup of castings. If you see a magnesium deficiency just add 1 tbsp per gallon of water of Epsom salts on your next water. Those are the two most common deficiencies for container gardening
When you switch to flower, pull aside the mulch and do a fresh top dressing of worm castings and sprinkle in some compost too (especially if you got a good fungal compost). Put the mulch back.
Do a steeped kelp tea once every week. Stop once you reach week 6 or 7. If you run out of kelp before that I wouldnt worry about it. Also add molasses once every other week at about 1/2 tbsp per gallon of water. Like the kelp, once you reach your last week or two of flower you can back off.
If you ever see any deficiencies at all than just do a kelp tea and fresh top dressing of worm castings and that should clear things up!
Adding Epsom salts at one tbsp a gallon while you're in week two thru six of flower can help give your plants a nice terpine and trichome boost.
714steadyeddie
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If I make a base with that could I add the worms later?
Is that recipe above what you would consider TLO ?
Evil-Mobo
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Recipes vary from person to person. People have preferences that are as different with soil recipes as anything else. Doesn't mean one is better than the other, you just have to watch your plants. Amend/top dress as necessary. And yes you can always add the worms later.
That recipe looks GTG
Little tip to save you some $$........check out the Happy Frog Fruit and Flower dry fert, it contains many of the items in various soil recipes, but you don't have to buy them all individually.
http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/index.php/item/happy-frog-fruit-and-flower-fertilizer.html
That recipe looks GTG
Little tip to save you some $$........check out the Happy Frog Fruit and Flower dry fert, it contains many of the items in various soil recipes, but you don't have to buy them all individually.
http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/index.php/item/happy-frog-fruit-and-flower-fertilizer.html
kmog33
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Just put them in and use organic nutrients I don't know that they'll be ok with synthetics.
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714steadyeddie
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AHha ya I'm moving away from synthetics for good. I'm guessing they'll be ok if I apply steeped teas ?
714steadyeddie
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Yea that will be something to look into.Recipes vary from person to person. People have preferences that are as different with soil recipes as anything else. Doesn't mean one is better than the other, you just have to watch your plants. Amend/top dress as necessary. And yes you can always add the worms later.
That recipe looks GTG
Little tip to save you some $$........check out the Happy Frog Fruit and Flower dry fert, it contains many of the items in various soil recipes, but you don't have to buy them all individually.
http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/index.php/item/happy-frog-fruit-and-flower-fertilizer.html
Do you do steep teas ?
Evil-Mobo
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Nope. I keep it simple bro. if your soil is right you don't need anything but water, the stuff I do is "extra" for my girls. I only do the SST's we have discussed before here and there.
My staple for watering is Fish Fert (hydroslate), alternated with Coconut/Aloe/Silica powder, each with Ful-Power. I do not do water only anymore, every watering it's either or. I also don't make teas with the barley anymore just top dress it on the soil. The days I use the coconut/Aloe/Silica I foliar spray the plants with the same mix. This is what has been working for me with no issues or deficiencies. Remember in organic/no till, you don't feed the plant, you're the groundskeeper, your job is to maintain the soil, the plant will take what she needs/wants on her own.
https://buildasoil.com/collections/supplements/products/1-ounce-of-200x-aloe-vera-powder
https://buildasoil.com/collections/supplements/products/agsil16h-potassium-silicate
https://buildasoil.com/collections/supplements/products/coconut-water-powder-raw-freeze-dried-organic
https://buildasoil.com/collections/supplements/products/bioag-ful-power
https://buildasoil.com/collections/supplements/products/fish-hydrolysate-neptunes-harvest
https://buildasoil.com/collections/supplements/products/corn-seed-organic-blue-corn-for-sprouted-seed-tea
714steadyeddie
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Yea the microbes, bacteria and fungi are my friends. I like how you can play god over your soil, make good soil and book those girls are in heaven. Thanks bro. I've been studying organics harder than anything I've been interested in before.