You use roads, bridges and social services..pay your fucking taxes, Rob!
bernie sanders: regressive
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So safe to say you're checking the box for 'fathers rights'?
Rob Roy
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Don't your taxes fund pot busts, property confiscation and endless warfare?
I agree, that the owner of something is owed money when others WILLINGLY contract to use it, but not when they don't.
Because he's lamenting the Killary dream..what could've been..everything we have now with Trump plus a dem spin.
The fact you live in this country you choose to abide by the laws of its land.
Crimea, Ukraine, Syria..they look good too as compared to this dump.
Rob Roy
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No, it doesn't. You've been lied to.
Slaves "lived in this land" and I'd bet many didn't "choose" to be owned by another in accordance with the "law of the land".
cool2burn
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Just when I think you can not be any stupider. So when are you moving I recommend Syria. Nothing like man love Thursdays
Go read some of Rousseau or locke's work.
Thems is fight in' werds..
Rob Roy
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Which of either of their points of view do you imply I should learn?
Their concept of a social contract, I think you'd enjoy it.
2009?
Not that I'm defending this Buck, but ultrasound is used with everything these days..it's no longer a 1989 new fangled idea..hell when my daughters were born during those years 89/91 ultrasound was used during every exam completely standard practice. This technology now allows us an inside view without ever needing to submit you to radiation or exploratory surgery.
I know you know this.
Now, if you tell me that the ultrasound before abortion mother must be locked in a room for 24 hours with picture of fetus..no food, water..bright lights..loud music typical rendition tactics? you have an argument.
Personally, I'd take my ultrasound pic and send it to Mr. Mellow inquiring when my first support payment is to be expected and if it will be coming from Fed or State or both..how much I can expect. Will it include COLA schedule with adjustment for females because we cost more (and we're worth it)?
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Rob Roy
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Ahh, okay.
I've had a few discussions with people about "social contracts" in the past. Generally, I take the Lysander Spooner approach to a contract, meaning, that they should be bi-lateral, rather than uni-lateral.
I feel that my human obligation is not to make others choices for them and think the term "social contract" has been conscripted and misapplied to use as a rationalization for things which aren't very nice.
Rob Roy
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Not that I'm defending this Buck, but ultrasound is used with everything these days..it's no longer a 1989 new fangled idea..hell when my daughters were born during those years 89/91 ultrasound was used during every exam completely standard practice. This technology now allows us an inside view without ever needing to submit you to radiation or exploratory surgery.
Now, if you tell me that the ultrasound before abortion mother must be locked in a room for 24 hours with picture of fetus..no food, water..bright lights..loud music typical rendition tactics? you have an argument.
Personally, I'd take my ultrasound pic and send it to Mr. Mellow inquiring when my first support payment is to be expected and if it will be coming from Fed or State or both..how much I can expect. Will it include COLA schedule with adjustment for females because we're worth it (and cost more)?
What if a person didn't want to view an ultrasound? Should they be forced to ?
What if another person didn't want to pay for someone else ultrasound? Should they be forced to?
You don't pay for ultrasounds in that application. It would be the equivalent of charging you to take your BP or temperature.
It's a diagnostic tool.
By the time someone who is pregnant goes for abortion, she's had the ultrasound many times already.
Again, it's a diagnostic tool. So, it would be no big deal to 'view'.
You're a man, you can't understand this part..there is no 'forcing'.
Women don't drag (or force) themselves to abortion..they go quite willingly.
Should men be forced to pay? From what I understand the notification of impending fatherhood usually suffices in the offering of money.
Pay me now or pay me later is universal and understood by all.
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Bilateral agreement is not practical and effectively dismantles the social contract. How can you have a society where one gives up certain rights and another doesn't? Its a collective concept which amounts to nothing without unilateral consent.
True, it could be used in an abusive manor. However, Locke and classical liberalism in general lay out clear guidelines for how a state conducts its overwatch of citizens, stating that the state is there to protect life, liberty and estate. Without this protection provided by the state, ones freedom could be used as a weapon against another's liberty. Sacrificing a small amount of liberty on a unilateral level is nessercery.
Now, I'm off to smoke a joint. Feel free to reply, I wont be.
ttystikk
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That's what was tried in the last election and it didn't turn out well for anyone on the left.
As I've said before, the 'Tea Party' movement on the right was highly effective at getting Republicans elected AND at moving the party to the right.
No one has given me a good reason why the strategy would be any less effective for the Left.
ttystikk
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You're as qualified to talk about women's rights and liberalism as the Chump is qualified to talk about black poverty.
Justin-case
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Yeah, and look how fractured the GOP is because of it, it'll work out great I'm sure...