Christianity, Homosexuality, and the New Covenant

[Chunky Stool]

OP is a troll. There's no way this guy is 19.
Definitely a sock puppet.

 

[PCXV]

So you're saying me using it for insomnia is stupid? Look, if you read the contexts of "keeping a sober mind" it is SOLELY because it is either harmful to the body or promotes sin. Weed does neither. PLUS, Jesus himself used cannabis as medicine in kaneh-bosom AKA the Holy Annointing Oil! Who are you to say that because "very orthodoxical Christians" oppose modern medicine, then all Christians shouldn't? Scripture doesn't ban mind-altering medicine. It's not a sin to take medicine, but gluttony and/or constant drunkenness certainly is a sin. However, I do not excessively consume weed. I haven't smoked in almost 6 weeks and when I do it's for sleep 99% of the time.

As far as the legality of my grow, I am in a legal state and on a medical patient's property. So no, that's not really a sin because I'm not breaking the law.

I was pointing out the contradictions between Christian denominations, and that denominations are proof that people interpret the Bible differently, meaning they have questioned "the word of God" as they preach blind faith - contradictory and hypocritical. My point is that "biblical literalism" and Christian Orthodoxy are on shaky ground logically speaking.

I don't think you are stupid for using weed to help you sleep, but the Bible certainly doesn't condone it, and it almost certainly seems to forbid it. Hot smoke is bad for your lungs, we don't scientifically know all of the negative health effects of weed. You could take zzzquil or melatonin etc. to help you sleep, ibuprofen for your pain, and both have less negative effects than weed. You are seeking text and interpreting them in a way that allows you to justify your behavior and reconcile your cognitive dissonance. I would urge you to use to the reasoning you possess to decide for yourself, regardless of the contradictory mess that is the Bible.

Weed is still illegal federally. That is the law of the land. According to the Bible, you shouldn't question man's law as long as it doesn't contradict God's law; weed criminalization does not infringe on God's law. Alcohol is also legal but against God's law.

So tell me, what is logical about homosexuality being viewed as immoral? Or do you think those that wrote the Bible injected their own beliefs into the text and that homosexuality was never against God's will?

(I accidentally deleted my last response, hopefully I covered my main points again with this post).

 

[dagwood45431]

"biblical literalism" and Christian Orthodoxy are on shaky ground logically speaking.

That's a keeper!

 

[UncleBuck]

It's been awhile but yea that place is bomb. I got my dick sucked at roeding park once. This has nothing to do with my blowjob, but there are lots of prostitutes in that area.

hear that, eli?

you can go down to belmont ave in fresno and get your dick sucked, maybe even mow down a few. you'll still totally suck at fucking when the time comes, but it might not be as awkward.

 

[dagwood45431]

hear that, eli?

you can go down to belmont ave in fresno and get your dick sucked, maybe even mow down a few. you'll still totally suck at fucking when the time comes, but it might not be as awkward.

Anyone know if fishing rules apply in the world of anonymous dick sucking (not that there's anything wrong with that)? If it's too small, does it get tossed back in?

 

[mr sunshine]

hear that, eli?

you can go down to belmont ave in fresno and get your dick sucked, maybe even mow down a few. you'll still totally suck at fucking when the time comes, but it might not be as awkward.

I would go jogging in that area when i was staying with my girl. Start from fresno street run down Belmont all the way to parkway. Old crack heads with no teeth used to offer me cheap blowjobs all the time...


Hooker...You wanna get your dick sucked?
Me.. no, I only got 5 bucks on me.
Hooker..I'll do it for 5, you're kinda cute
Me ....I'm ok, I've been jogging and my balls smell.




Hooker....OK baby, if you change your mind you know where to find me.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Anyone know if fishing rules apply in the world of anonymous dick sucking (not that there's anything wrong with that)? If it's too small, does it get tossed back in?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I would go jogging in that area when i was staying with my girl. Start from fresno street run down Belmont all the way to parkway. Old crack heads with no teeth used to offer me cheap blowjobs all the time...


Hooker...You wanna get your dick sucked?
Me.. no, I only got 5 bucks on me.
Hooker..I'll do it for 5, you're kinda cute
Me ....I'm ok, I've been jogging and my balls smell.




Hooker....OK baby, if you change your mind you know where to find me.

Hey, I mean, Jesus fucked a hooker. Jesus has a soft spot for prostitutes.

 

[Sassafras¥]

Just had to... lol

 

[Sassafras¥]

I was pointing out the contradictions between Christian denominations, and that denominations are proof that people interpret the Bible differently, meaning they have questioned "the word of God" as they preach blind faith - contradictory and hypocritical. My point is that "biblical literalism" and Christian Orthodoxy are on shaky ground logically speaking.

I don't think you are stupid for using weed to help you sleep, but the Bible certainly doesn't condone it, and it almost certainly seems to forbid it. Hot smoke is bad for your lungs, we don't scientifically know all of the negative health effects of weed. You could take zzzquil or melatonin etc. to help you sleep, ibuprofen for your pain, and both have less negative effects than weed. You are seeking text and interpreting them in a way that allows you to justify your behavior and reconcile your cognitive dissonance. I would urge you to use to the reasoning you possess to decide for yourself, regardless of the contradictory mess that is the Bible.

Weed is still illegal federally. That is the law of the land. According to the Bible, you shouldn't question man's law as long as it doesn't contradict God's law; weed criminalization does not infringe on God's law. Alcohol is also legal but against God's law.

So tell me, what is logical about homosexuality being viewed as immoral? Or do you think those that wrote the Bible injected their own beliefs into the text and that homosexuality was never against God's will?

(I accidentally deleted my last response, hopefully I covered my main points again with this post).

Hmmm.. ok well, this is what I found on cannabis in the bible when I was a young buck and into all that.
The hemp plant (scientific name: cannabis, slang: marijuana) is one of the many useful herbs "yielding seed after its kind" created and blessed by God on the third day of creation, "and God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:12) He gave hemp for people to use with our free will.

God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31) The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy …
The way I see it it if it wasn't good & of God and if he didn't attend for us to use it, it wouldn't be here... just my 2 cents.

 

[PCXV]

Hmmm.. ok well, this is what I found on cannabis in the bible when I was a young buck and into all that.
The hemp plant (scientific name: cannabis, slang: marijuana) is one of the many useful herbs "yielding seed after its kind" created and blessed by God on the third day of creation, "and God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:12) He gave hemp for people to use with our free will.

God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31) The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy …
The way I see it it if it wasn't good & of God and if he didn't attend for us to use it, it wouldn't be here... just my 2 cents.

Your last sentence is logical, the rest is a far stretch. "Yielding seed after it's kind" doesn't specify cannabis directly, and Cannabis is not an herb. I don't know the context of "some shall speak lies and hypocrisy" but it doesn't sound like it's specifying cannabis prohibition.

The Bible mentioning plants and/or God creating plants doesn't say anything for cannabis use. Smoking weed is bad for your health in several ways, it also gets you high as balls; the Bible DOES explicitly forbid both of these things. So we have a far stretch that weed has seeds therefore it is good (so do poppy seeds aka opiates ala heroin) or the insane stretch that cannabis is an herb for meat VS a direct command to honor your body and mind that easily encompasses cannabis use.

 

[Green Bud Smurfy]

I was pointing out the contradictions between Christian denominations, and that denominations are proof that people interpret the Bible differently, meaning they have questioned "the word of God" as they preach blind faith - contradictory and hypocritical. My point is that "biblical literalism" and Christian Orthodoxy are on shaky ground logically speaking.

I don't think you are stupid for using weed to help you sleep, but the Bible certainly doesn't condone it, and it almost certainly seems to forbid it. Hot smoke it bad for your lungs, we don't scientifically know all of the negative health effects of weed. You could take zzzquil or melatonin etc. to help you sleep, ibuprofen for your pain, and both have less negative effects than weed. You are seeking text and interpreting them in a way that allows you to justify your behavior and reconcile your cognitive dissonance. I would urge you to use to the reasoning you possess to decide for yourself, regardless of the contradictory mess that is the Bible.

Weed is still illegally federally. That is the law of the land. According to the Bible, you shouldn't question man's law as long as it doesn't contradict God's law; weed criminalization does not infringe on God's law. Alcohol is also legal but against God's law.

So tell me, what is logical about homosexuality being viewed as immoral? Or do you think those that wrote the Bible injected their own beliefs into the text and that homosexuality was never against God's will?

(I accidentally deleted my last response, hopefully I covered my main points again with this post).

Originally, I used the fact that virtually all denominations condemn homosexuality. This is a good indicator that there is in fact valid doctrine that condemns gay behavior.

zzzquil and melatonin don't work for me, I just get a headache from zzzquil and melatonin doesn't effect me at all other than nightmares when I do get to sleep. I tried about everything before I experimented with weed. "hot smoke" is a bad argument: there is little to no evidence linking marijuana use to lung cancer.

I don't think I look for specific passages Scripture to justify my actions in terms of weed. I found little evidence other than the false "sober-minded" argument against weed that is in reference to the tendency to induce sin. Please read I think it is Proverbs 31:6-7 (I could be wrong), but regardless there is a passage that talks about using mind-altering medicine specifically for the ailing.

Alcohol is not against God's law and I don't even drink. Habitual drunkenness is, but you should know that Jesus turned water into wine in the Gospels.

Hmmm.. ok well, this is what I found on cannabis in the bible when I was a young buck and into all that.
The hemp plant (scientific name: cannabis, slang: marijuana) is one of the many useful herbs "yielding seed after its kind" created and blessed by God on the third day of creation, "and God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:12) He gave hemp for people to use with our free will.

God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31) The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy …
The way I see it it if it wasn't good & of God and if he didn't attend for us to use it, it wouldn't be here... just my 2 cents.

Yes that's true but I wouldn't go around saying the cocaine plant is all fine and dandy. Or poison oak. There's some bad ones out there too. It's all confusing

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Originally, I used the fact that virtually all denominations condemn homosexuality. This is a good indicator that there is in fact valid doctrine that condemns gay behavior.

zzzquil and melatonin don't work for me, I just get a headache from zzzquil and melatonin doesn't effect me at all other than nightmares when I do get to sleep. I tried about everything before I experimented with weed. "hot smoke" is a bad argument: there is little to no evidence linking marijuana use to lung cancer.

I don't think I look for specific passages Scripture to justify my actions in terms of weed. I found little evidence other than the false "sober-minded" argument against weed that is in reference to the tendency to induce sin. Please read I think it is Proverbs 31:6-7 (I could be wrong), but regardless there is a passage that talks about using mind-altering medicine specifically for the ailing.

Alcohol is not against God's law and I don't even drink. Habitual drunkenness is, but you should know that Jesus turned water into wine in the Gospels.



Yes that's true but I wouldn't go around saying the cocaine plant is all fine and dandy. Or poison oak. There's some bad ones out there too. It's all confusing

There's nothing wrong with cocaine either. Even the Pope drank Coca tea only a couple years ago. Greed and gluttony are the issue there.

 

[Sassafras¥]

Originally, I used the fact that virtually all denominations condemn homosexuality. This is a good indicator that there is in fact valid doctrine that condemns gay behavior.

zzzquil and melatonin don't work for me, I just get a headache from zzzquil and melatonin doesn't effect me at all other than nightmares when I do get to sleep. I tried about everything before I experimented with weed. "hot smoke" is a bad argument: there is little to no evidence linking marijuana use to lung cancer.

I don't think I look for specific passages Scripture to justify my actions in terms of weed. I found little evidence other than the false "sober-minded" argument against weed that is in reference to the tendency to induce sin. Please read I think it is Proverbs 31:6-7 (I could be wrong), but regardless there is a passage that talks about using mind-altering medicine specifically for the ailing.

Alcohol is not against God's law and I don't even drink. Habitual drunkenness is, but you should know that Jesus turned water into wine in the Gospels.



Yes that's true but I wouldn't go around saying the cocaine plant is all fine and dandy. Or poison oak. There's some bad ones out there too. It's all confusing

Indeed it is. Idk but does cocaine yeild seeds? Lol.

 

[Sassafras¥]

Your last sentence is logical, the rest is a far stretch. "Yielding seed after it's kind" doesn't specify cannabis directly, and Cannabis is not an herb. I don't know the context of "some shall speak lies and hypocrisy" but it doesn't sound like it's specifying cannabis prohibition.

The Bible mentioning plants and/or God creating plants doesn't say anything for cannabis use. Smoking weed is bad for your health in several ways, it also gets you high as balls; the Bible DOES explicitly forbid both of these things. So we have a far stretch that weed has seeds therefore it is good (so do poppy seeds aka opiates ala heroin) or the insane stretch that cannabis is an herb for meat VS a direct command to honor your body and mind that easily encompasses cannabis use.

Have heard it taught that way. Not my words, that came directly from the Bible. So take that up with the man upstairs, not me allot of it depends on the interpretation. Allot of people see everything differently as I'm sure you already know. I've even heard that cannabis was used as an anointing oil aswell.

 

[Big_Lou]

There's nothing wrong with cocaine either. Even the Pope drank Coca tea only a couple years ago. Greed and gluttony are the issue there.

I thought the issue was Eli's teenage arrogance/ignorance & latent homosexuality? (shrug)

That kid needs to loosen up, toss all of that foolish 'bible' nonsense in the bin and live life....

(Soooooo soooothing....)

 

[Heil Tweetler]

Originally, I used the fact that virtually all denominations condemn homosexuality. This is a good indicator that there is in fact valid doctrine that condemns gay behavior.

jesus pleae forgive this witless, uneducated, bigoted, fucking gas bag. He is the asshole with the beam in his eye that you told us about. Lord, he's the bitch with a wet ass, who with lily white, jelly like arm, is itching to throw the first rock

Eli, your logic, like that of a rabid mongrel, is a reliable indicator that all your thoughts are muddled, disturbed and meritless turds

 

[Big_Lou]

jesus pleae forgive this witless, uneducated, bigoted, fucking gas bag. He is the asshole with the beam in his eye that you told us about. Lord, he's the bitch with a boner who, with lily white, jelly like arm, is itching to suck the first cock.

 

[dagwood45431]

jesus pleae forgive this witless, uneducated, bigoted, fucking gas bag. He is the asshole with the beam in his eye that you told us about. Lord, he's the bitch with a boner who, with lily white, jelly like arm, is itching to throw the first rock

Eli, your logic, like that of a rabid mongrel, is a reliable indicator that all your thoughts are muddled, disturbed and meritless turds

 

[PCXV]

Originally, I used the fact that virtually all denominations condemn homosexuality. This is a good indicator that there is in fact valid doctrine that condemns gay behavior.

zzzquil and melatonin don't work for me, I just get a headache from zzzquil and melatonin doesn't effect me at all other than nightmares when I do get to sleep. I tried about everything before I experimented with weed. "hot smoke" is a bad argument: there is little to no evidence linking marijuana use to lung cancer.

I don't think I look for specific passages Scripture to justify my actions in terms of weed. I found little evidence other than the false "sober-minded" argument against weed that is in reference to the tendency to induce sin. Please read I think it is Proverbs 31:6-7 (I could be wrong), but regardless there is a passage that talks about using mind-altering medicine specifically for the ailing.

Alcohol is not against God's law and I don't even drink. Habitual drunkenness is, but you should know that Jesus turned water into wine in the Gospels.



Yes that's true but I wouldn't go around saying the cocaine plant is all fine and dandy. Or poison oak. There's some bad ones out there too. It's all confusing

There is valid doctrine, I asked if you thought homosexuality was wrong logically.

Hot smoke is not a bad argument. Go ask any doctor. There is also tar deposit, again, talk to a doctor. You are plain wrong. If a study came out linking mj to some type of cancer would you change your mind? It's not settled yet scientifically, but I highly doubt it's a miracle drug in smoke form.

I don't fault your use of cannabis, but I know Christians personally that will unfriend you in real life for smoking weed. The stigma against weed transcends many communties.

Alcohol is horrible for your liver and body in general. The wine Jesus made wasn't alcoholic according to many denominations (the more conservative/literal ones). It is a sin yet our law allows it to ruin tens of millions of lives each year, and kill hundreds of thousands.

You argue that some things are bad because they harm society and the individual but then you draw the line somewhere. Why? Where does that slippery slope end? -->That's what the Bible teaches if you read it close enough.

In the Bible it says that pondering murder is just as bad as murder itself. It carries that logic to every sin. "All sin is equal."