United States of Corporate America

[ttystikk]

trump just gave NAFTA a big hug and told us all it's here to stay.

And this, frankly, is a good outcome. I did my homework and I think NAFTA helps more than it hurts.

What we need to address is the ability of corporations to avoid paying for health insurance and other social benefits by outsourcing. This is a pernicious practice that undermines the working citizen- and I believe that protecting citizen's benefits is well worth doing.

 

[ttystikk]

you can look up the definition of false bifurcation if you want, kid.

Ok I just did.

A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option.

So what's the additional option? I'm learning a lot here.

 

[UncleBuck]

Ok I just did.

A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option.

So what's the additional option? I'm learning a lot here.

with a trade deal this complex, there are nearly unlimited other options.

 

[ttystikk]

nope. if you support a politician you support every last thing they have ever done in perpetuity and throughout the universe.

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[ttystikk]

with a trade deal this complex, there are nearly unlimited other options.

And if it's enforced mainly in the breach, by this you mean that the options to negotiate solutions are unlimited?

I'm trying to follow your thinking.

 

[fdd2blk]

And if it's enforced mainly in the breach, by this you mean that the options to negotiate solutions are unlimited?

I'm trying to follow your thinking.

He's an angry troll. Why bother with him?

 

[Fogdog]

And if it's enforced mainly in the breach, by this you mean that the options to negotiate solutions are unlimited?

I'm trying to follow your thinking.

I predict much wine sickness for @UncleBuck and @Padawanbater2 this morning.

 

[Fogdog]

In a way that allows prosperity to be felt among everyone involved, not just the top tier

Then that's what needs to be changed. There should be no Democrats OK with this redistribution of prosperity

Sanders support free trade agreements that actually benefit working people. Shocking! I know.. NAFTA and the TPP do not benefit working people. How much did your average American make pre-NAFTA? How much does he make now? How much did America import/export pre-NAFTA, how much do we import/export now? Go down the list. The things NAFTA was supposed to improve have dramatically diminished in value specifically because of unregulated trade focused on benefitting the wealthy at the expense of the poor and working class.

Cancelling NAFTA or even threatening to cancel NAFTA is a recessionary move. The US is at the heart of lot of the problems with NAFTA which means it's within our power to fix it. Problems such as unequal labor rights and wages, unequal environmental regulations, tax advantages for moving work out of the US, incompetent US corporate managers who mask their inefficiency by moving operations to Mexico are all within the span of control of the US.

Trump is the one who won on the promise to cancel NAFTA and he's the one who will probably renegotiate it. Just how many of your concerns do you think Trump will address?

 

[oswizzle]

Big Corps of America all of have a ZIONIST CEO calling all the shots... Americans always suffer at the hand of the Dual Citizens of Israel..

NO Country in the world allows Dual Citizens to hold Government positions Except the USA .... We allow Israeli citizens to break the law..

KUSHNER for Example has done service in the IDF... give me a break dude

 

[Fogdog]

Big Corps of America all of have a ZIONIST CEO calling all the shots... Americans always suffer at the hand of the Dual Citizens of Israel..

NO Country in the world allows Dual Citizens to hold Government positions Except the USA .... We allow Israeli citizens to break the law..

KUSHNER for Example has done service in the IDF... give me a break dude

Envy driving you to lie to yourself? You are a loser and are fabricating a conspiracy to make up for your inability to succeed. Riiiiight. Angry antisemitic white losers aren't at fault for taking public assistance and spending it on cigarettes. It's those jews.

You anus has more smarts than your brain. At least it knows when it's time to let it go.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Don't mistake it; I'm not against free trade. I think free trade is a great thing

If you think NAFTA or the TPP are free trade, you don't understand what free trade is

If you think NAFTA or the TPP were designed to help the little guy or small business owners, you don't understand how trade agreements or politics in general works.

NAFTA was enacted to help corporations. The TPP was designed to allow business interests to supercede national interests. All to bloat the bottom line.

But illegal immigrants are the problem..

 

[Blunted 4 lyfe]

Don't mistake it; I'm not against free trade. I think free trade is a great thing

If you think NAFTA or the TPP are free trade, you don't understand what free trade is

If you think NAFTA or the TPP were designed to help the little guy or small business owners, you don't understand how trade agreements or politics in general works.

NAFTA was enacted to help corporations. The TPP was designed to allow business interests to supercede national interests. All to bloat the bottom line.

But illegal immigrants are the problem..

NAFTA and TPP was totally a Republican idea, that's one of many issues I had whith the Obama administration when lawmakers could only see the bill behind closed doors could take notes or take pictures of it I knew it was bad for the nation.

 

[ttystikk]

NAFTA and TPP was totally a Republican idea, that's one of many issues I had whith the Obama administration when lawmakers could only see the bill behind closed doors could take notes or take pictures of it I knew it was bad for the nation.

The idea of secret legislation is inimical to democracy and a free society.

Bill Clinton got NAFTA passed. TPP was pushed by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, none of whom are Republicans.

 

[Grandpapy]

It was pushed by the corp. party

 

[ttystikk]

It was pushed by the corp. party

Yep- and thanks to Citizens United, they're now both corporate parties.

How does that leave We the People a choice, or a voice?

That's why we need to start a new party to the left of the Democratic party.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yep- and thanks to Citizens United, they're now both corporate parties.

How does that leave We the People a choice, or a voice?

That's why we need to start a new party to the left of the Democratic party.

ummmmm

 

[Blunted 4 lyfe]

The idea of secret legislation is inimical to democracy and a free society.

Bill Clinton got NAFTA passed. TPP was pushed by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, none of whom are Republicans.

Obama and Hillary were for the deal and later Hillary pivoted all done to prevent China from exerting too much power in the Pacific region, originally the P-4. Any trade deal would have to have Big Pharma on board as well as hundreds of lobbyist from big business. In every Union hall in America was dead against this deal and so was ours we are afraid of cheap steel flooding the market which meant less jobs for Americans especially in the rust belt. Trust me the GOP was in full support, that was my major issue with Obama that he would be on board with this deal. You think all that bluster from Trump about scrapping TPP is for real? Think again. That MF gets his steel for his buildings and has his clothings made from that very region.

 

[Grandpapy]

Trust me the GOP was in full support, that was my major issue with Obama that he would be on board with this deal.

I want to think this is what made him age 30 yrs.

 

[ttystikk]

ummmmm

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Cool! Git 'er dun!

 

[LSD-25]

The North American Free Trade Agreement really don't matter because Trump is going make taxes so high on company's that move their factory's to Mehico or canada.. it really does not matter. just look at Ford.. and Carrier.. they were both to have shops in Mehico.. but Trump said NO. and saved jobs in the process. Fuck Mexico. build the wall!!! MAGA!! vote Republican. ((((drop mic)))).. peace..