@Xs121 lol
My first inclination is to make a lengthy response but I'll try to make it short.
I think we're talking the same thing when it comes to turgor pressure just different delivery.
Sounds right.
Osmotic pressure is the key word. Then why not increase Osmotic pressure by manipulating water potential?
In soil, I, and others don't have the option to be as moist at the same rates you do.
Suffice to say you agree that if there's enough moisture in the media that you're not gonna loose turgor pressure at night. That's what I been saying all along. All I'm saying, you can make that pressure stronger even at night.
Correct, again, us soil guys don't have same ability to the degree you hydro guys do.
I don't recall me implying that I water in the middle of the night. I thought I posted that I nute at the beginning of lights on and pure water only(meaning no fertilizer) immediately before lights off. So you're right that the watering just before lights off, carries the plant water requirement through the night. BTW, the OP is not using hydroponics, not sure what his media is, soil or something else.
That was just an example by statement: I know you didn't.
You associate cell elongation literally with the plant stretch. Yes cell elongation contribute to the stretch but by itself cell elongation is not really cell stretching vertically.
TRUE I'm pretty sure you're familiar how a cell expand.
YUP Honestly, I dont know why I'ts termed as elongation, I would rather look at it as an expansion. There are many types of vacuoles and all cells small or big are capable of maximal water uptake.
Yup.
Agree. And this is my point, if you have a stronger osmotic pressure then it speeds up the changes you just mentioned.
Yup.
We all used different method to control height and shorten the internodes. If we dont, our plant would be best suited outdoor. Cannabis is a shrub and shrubs can grow pretty tall if left unchecked.
However, would you believe me if i say that I only top my plants once and no pruning? Is done by using super cropping but by my modified version of super cropping and I say it works pretty good in controlling the height with very short internodes even sfater stretching.
And about the thick branches....is the result of the combination of my modified version of super cropping and constant cell elongation. So you see here that the growth pattern of this plant is not vertical and hardly horizontal as well but the growth is translated to thicker and stronger branches (to support the growing colas?).
Yes, I can manipulate the growth vertically if my grow space allows it or do a scrog horizontally (but I'm lazy), so I'll do whatever is necessary that I know how, both in theory and experience to keep the plant compact and still achieve (hopefully) maximum yield for its size.
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Thank you. I follow a certain procedure of defoliation during the veg stage and a different defoliation method(not much) in flowering stage. Overall, I try to maintain a good leaf mass so as not to impacted (or as little as possible) photosynthesis.
I would still leave a significant amount of fans you remove......give it shot on a run.. Lollypopping is what I do. On some strains in veg. I do remove some of the "monster" fans - blocking branching from max light. It allows/makes the branching expand out better. They do get a good bit more veg to take advantage of that.
Small amount is what you're thinking. My osmotic pressure at night put my plants leaves pointing up all night. I make sure that my water potential from the root is greater than that of the plant parts bove ground and the environment.
I think here is the point I was shooting for: At night the reduction in transpiration (yes kiddies, plants still transpire in the dark) reduces osmotic pressure and thus turgor. You are right that you can increase the osmotic pressure by increased moisture availability......I was stuck on the fact that differing methods have differing "laws" shall we say, that govern the amount of moisture in the media that can be tolerated by the plant. I do so love my soil results vs. hydro in several ways......like flavor - terp profiles.
Bagseed, I'm still apprehensive in buying well known or popular strain through the mail, not sure about the risk. I'm still trying to find locally a breeder or somebody who have an established genetics. I been wishing to get OG Kush, maybe one of this day when I'm so stoned that I get the courage to push the buy button.
What OG are you thinking? Drop me a PM..ok?
Talking of FM, my wife have tried all sort of medical prescription to fight FM, even alternatives and only cannabis makes her function normal, regardless of strain (different bagseed, different sources). She's happier, and can do things that we take for granted that would put her for week/s of pain and she have better uninterrupted night sleep.
I understand this perfectly!
*Damn, I tried to make this short but I'm high atm.
You too man, regardless of our belief, I enjoy our discussion.
I thinkst we be on the same page now!!!
OH, and btw. your paper linked, is only the abstract.....if you really want the whole thing. There is a friend on here that still has his post grad access......I'll have to PM him and ask but, you can have the whole paper if you like.