Best out of bag/premixed organic soil/super soil ?

Smokey_mc_pot

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Hi I'm looking for the best suggestions for a premixed super soil that I could buy already bagged up. I know it's easier to make my own but I just don't have the space to do it people say doesn't require space but it does and I just don't want and have the time to mix my own so please suggestions for premixed Super soil out of the bag only.
 

BRANDON77

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Fox Farms coco loco (coco coir) or ocean forest (soil). Ive used both, they are heavily amended and organic. 40% perlite, guano, ewc, etc etc. good stuff. I pay 10-12 bucks a bag around here with the good guy hydro store discount. Transplant into that with mykos and feed some kelp/fish teas and you're good to go!!!
 

Smokey_mc_pot

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Fox Farms coco loco (coco coir) or ocean forest (soil). Ive used both, they are heavily amended and organic. 40% perlite, guano, ewc, etc etc. good stuff. I pay 10-12 bucks a bag around here with the good guy hydro store discount. Transplant into that with mykos and feed some kelp/fish teas and you're good to go!!!
Ive heard about ffof could sometimes be too hot of a mix for plants, but I'm going to be transplanting a teen clone that I'm going to pit straight into flower it probably wouldn't matter right? Aslo I've heard that they are known for insects.
 

Sailormoses

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All I will be using is the Stonington blend. I live in a condo and don't want to mix soil. When my seedlings are over 2 weeks old I transplant them right into the soil. So far for this run i have only used water, no nutes and i only add some extra perlite.
 

Smokey_mc_pot

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All I will be using is the Stonington blend. I live in a condo and don't want to mix soil. When my seedlings are over 2 weeks old I transplant them right into the soil. So far for this run i have only used water, no nutes and i only add some extra perlite.
Nice thanks for the response. This was just the answer i was looking for. What about neem cake for bugs is that recomended to add besides the perlite?
 

Smokey_mc_pot

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Fox Farm is the brand. Ocean Forrest is the soil you want. FFOF. They also have Happy Frog for seedlings.
Ok well you guys gave me 2 good soils to choose from I've never heard any negative things about coast of Maine and I'm always hearing negative stuff about Fox Farm the brand. I heard anything from the soil mix is too hot sometimes, it's known for having insects and blah blah. 2 people in this forum had hands on experience with fox farm wich gives me closure to try it. Thanks much for the info bro.
 

Smokey_mc_pot

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Fox Farms coco loco (coco coir) or ocean forest (soil). Ive used both, they are heavily amended and organic. 40% perlite, guano, ewc, etc etc. good stuff. I pay 10-12 bucks a bag around here with the good guy hydro store discount. Transplant into that with mykos and feed some kelp/fish teas and you're good to go!!!
Hey i was reading on a forum that you have to add nutes to FFOF after 3 weeks or so, is this true?
 

bullSnot

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Coast Of Maine , Stonington Blend soil
currently using on a train wreck plant. This stuff is hot - the tips are staying slightly burnt. A nice green and thick growth. If I was to use again I would mix half and half with Happy Frog, extra dolomite and some perlite....I have used zero nutrients through second week flowering - I did transplant to 7 gal pot 10 days before flower. I have noticed a few more gnats than normally see.
 
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bullSnot

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Hey i was reading on a forum that you have to add nutes to FFOF after 3 weeks or so, is this true?
I never have had to until flower. I actually like Happy Frog Fruit and Flower as topsoil when I move to flower. 1tbs per gal pot, mixed with a quart of HappyFrog soil......good for 30 days
 

Richard Drysift

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Ok well you guys gave me 2 good soils to choose from I've never heard any negative things about coast of Maine and I'm always hearing negative stuff about Fox Farm the brand. I heard anything from the soil mix is too hot sometimes, it's known for having insects and blah blah. 2 people in this forum had hands on experience with fox farm wich gives me closure to try it. Thanks much for the info bro.
FFOF can have hot spots which is why you should dump it out of the bag before using it and break it up real good. Add in some extra perlite & it's good to go. If you plan on putting young seedlings or clones add a bit of coco coir to cut it down. A few bugs especially common ones like gnats or thrips are not a big deal either; all healthy soils attract insects but most are easily controlled. Sprinkle the top layer with diatomaceous earth, amend with neem seed meal at each soil recycling, and allow the soil to dry out a bit before watering again; prevention is much easier than extermination.
Plenty of good bagged soils to choose from out there; FFOF is not the end all be all dirt. I also have used sunshine mix #4 which has the exact same NPK values as ocean forest does. The super important thing is to learn about recycling and amending the soil. It gets even better every time you amend and recycle it but unless you plan to use nutes you will need a supply of compost and dry amendments that you can slowly collect until your first harvest in that new mix.
Hey i was reading on a forum that you have to add nutes to FFOF after 3 weeks or so, is this true?
Nutrients are meant for growing plants in dead/sterile soil but all soils becomes dead over time if left without moisture and/or a source of composted organic materials and minerals. Worm castings are an awesome source of compost especially if they are fresh from the worms ass. If you want to give your plants a boost brew up a simple AACT every few weeks and/or give a liquid fish fertilizer like neptunes harvest. Soil does not really ever actually deplete it just becomes inactive with microbes. Add them back periodically in the form of solid compost as a top dressing along with a food source like alfalfa meal or a brewed AACT and your soil will soon become active again.
 

DonTesla

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Nice thanks for the response. This was just the answer i was looking for. What about neem cake for bugs is that recomended to add besides the perlite?
Neem cake is great for pest management, as well as vegeterian-fed insect-frass.. both can be applied at up to 1 cup per cubic foot, or half that for a more intro / safe measure. There are other chitin sources too, crab meal etc..

- a foliar of plain ewc tea and compost tea strained to 55 microns will also set the table with bene's galore, which eat away at the waxy layers of young bugs before they get too harmful.

.. if you want something else cheap that you can make, look up Lacto bacillus .. then BIM or Bokashi for the combo.

not skipping my highly paramagnetic input like basalt or something in your rock / mineral / dust recipe will also help.. and speaking of natural rocks, diatomite or DE Rocks for a top dress will give them hell the same way as above, except it also dries and cuts them up.. thrips and gnats especially.

It won't hurt to plant a circle perimeter of several single organic garlic cloves, or red basil, lemon verbena or creeping thyme

..sure there are other things people do too, but off the top that's all thats coming to mind, hope that helps someone at least a bit!

Oh yeah, natural predators, Orius Beetles, Beneficial Nematodes, and Praying Mantis!

And just having high brix, over 12, lowers pest pressure too. Too dang vibrational / healthy.
 

Smokey_mc_pot

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Thanks guys really appreciate all the help.
Im currently running 4 plants in some Big Rootz organic soil by Soil King its popular here in California, Norcal especially. Im going to try these methods next run. My current problem now is space my plants outgrew my cab!
Neem cake is great for pest management, as well as vegeterian-fed insect-frass.. both can be applied at up to 1 cup per cubic foot, or half that for a more intro / safe measure. There are other chitin sources too, crab meal etc..

- a foliar of plain ewc tea and compost tea strained to 55 microns will also set the table with bene's galore, which eat away at the waxy layers of young bugs before they get too harmful.

.. if you want something else cheap that you can make, look up Lacto bacillus .. then BIM or Bokashi for the combo.

not skipping my highly paramagnetic input like basalt or something in your rock / mineral / dust recipe will also help.. and speaking of natural rocks, diatomite or DE Rocks for a top dress will give them hell the same way as above, except it also dries and cuts them up.. thrips and gnats especially.

It won't hurt to plant a circle perimeter of several single organic garlic cloves, or red basil, lemon verbena or creeping thyme

..sure there are other things people do too, but off the top that's all thats coming to mind, hope that helps someone at least a bit!

Oh yeah, natural predators, Orius Beetles, Beneficial Nematodes, and Praying Mantis!

And just having high brix, over 12, lowers pest pressure too. Too dang vibrational / healthy.
Thanks brother
 
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