samsung hard strips

lilcobler

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My only concerns would be if they have CE marks on them and if it is not the case what would happen if a customs officer gets them.
they already did, ordered and shipped from the us on monday, arrived here in germany on wednesday. why can't all international orders be so uncomplicated and so fast? big ups to digikey, they got their shipping game right on
I think the difference is: Since digikey also operates in europe as digikey.de, customs is taken care of by them. @sethimus : i suppose you got them delivered to your doorstep?
BTW:
1. Did you hook them up?
2. What are your impressions?

to all: Can anyone take PAR-measurements under the F-series Strips? Any hot- and/or blindspots?
 
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sethimus

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i know, but its nice for once paying nothing for the shipping AND still getting stuff fast

and no, not hooked them up yet, need to find the time
 

sethimus

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Yes, that really sounds good!



At what distance to each other are you planning on placing the strips?

i just need them for veg, gonna go 2 4ft per 40x120cm unit, i have 3 of them in total, between 60 and 70cm total height each. may also go with 3-2-1, with the unit with the least amount of light as an area to just store some mums that are not needed in the next round
 

lilcobler

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i just need them for veg, gonna go 2 4ft per 40x120cm unit, i have 3 of them in total, between 60 and 70cm total height each. may also go with 3-2-1, with the unit with the least amount of light as an area to just store some mums that are not needed in the next round
Sounds good. Please keep me posted!
 

captainmorgan

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I want to help out a friend and convert some of their household lighting to LED. They have a bunch of 48" T8 fixtures and I have a bunch of old drivers laying around. The drivers are 800 ma constant current and will do 27-37 volts. Do you guys know of any LED strips that would work with them? Looking to get 3500 to 4000 lumens or 7000 to 8000 lumens per driver.
 
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nogod_

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Pretty much everything is going to be 24v or 48v for samsung and 44v for blux if you were trying to drop in a 4footer.

800mA is a dealbreaker for wiring 3x 275mm samsung "m series" in series unfortunately

Maybe some no-names on ebay might match your voltage?

Edit: or run 2x something like these doubled up and run in parallel?

I want to help out a friend and convert some of their household lighting to LED. They have a bunch of 48" T8 fixtures and I have a bunch of old drivers laying around. The drivers are 800 ma constant current and will do 27-37 volts. Do you guys know of any LED strips that would work with them? Looking to get 3500 to 4000 lumens or 7000 to 8000 lumens per driver.
 
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martguy

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Samsung F Series Gen3 LED Strips Build (using double row variant strip)

Currently my 4 X 2 veg tent has a 4 X 54W T5 bulb fixture that uses 216 watts, yielding approximately 20 000 lumens. I replaced this with the new Samsung F series Gen3 strips. I ordered two of the SI-B8R521560WW strips from DigiKey. They cost about $26 USD each. The 5000K strips are rated at 9300 lumens each using 2 rows of LM 561C LEDs, for a total of 18 600 lumens, which is close enough to the stated output of my T5 fixture (my T5 bulbs have probably dimmed with age anyway). The 2 LED strips combined use about 103 Watts, about half of the equivalent T5 setup.

Materials:

2 X 24 inch aluminum flat bar (⅛ inch thick)
#6 Self drilling/self tapping screws
2 X SI-B8R521560WW Samsung LED stripsIMG_20170729_141659.jpg

LED Power Supply ( I used a 24V power supply and a separate constant current driver module from eBay. Meanwell HLG-150H-48A would work fine also)
IMG_20170727_215202.jpg
18 gauge solid wire

Steps:
  1. Cut bar into desired length. I used 1.5 inch wide flat bar since the double Samsung strip is 39mm wide. I made it slightly longer than the strip to have attachment points for hanging it. No sag noticed in the bar.

  2. Attach strips using self tapping screws. I drilled first then drove in the screws. It would be best to include a nylon washer so that the screw doesn’t accidentally make an electrical connection on the strip itself. No TIM, no greases, no glues. Easy.
    IMG_20170729_144509.jpg IMG_20170729_150844.jpg
  3. I connected the wires into the on-board connectors and set the system for 48V, 2.24A (I used a parallel connection for the two strips). No soldering needed. You will need to use the ammeter function on your multimeter to set the current.
Before:
IMG_20170729_151256.jpg
After:
00000IMG_00000_BURST20170729160027_COVER.jpg

I think this is the way to go in the future. I get 180 lumens per watt with very little construction effort, no expensive heat sinks and no soldering. You can also use these strips for flowering. Just order the 3000K strips and use more of them. These are more efficient than fluorescent bulbs and HPS/MH bulbs while being easier and cheaper to assemble than COBs.

In the future I would just use some office supply clips to secure the strips to the aluminum (you can see one of the clips in one of the images above).

The LEDs do actually get hot, and strip itself gets hot enough that you can only put your fingers on it for a few seconds. I checked and the aluminum seems to max out at 130F (55C). I guess fingers act to draw away heat at a rate that feels too hot. Samsung's specs are measured at 65C so I'm not overheating the LEDs. Still, some extra heatsinks or fan probably wouldn't hurt. These lights will be great in the summer, as total heat is reduced without impacting light output. However, in the winter I may need some seedling heat mats to keep the temperature high enough.

The light comes from one small area, so the light output is more glaring than a diffuse set of T5 bulbs. Not sure if the plants care.

The currents on these particular strips are non standard at 1.12 A each. I used my own power supply components. If you wanted to use a Meanwell, you could use a HLG-150H-48A and adjust the current down. It would be nice if there were inexpensive strips that used standard currents, like 700mA, 1050mA, or 1400mA.

These strips are designed for retrofitting into existing fixtures, so they use standard 2 foot and 4 foot lengths. Nice.

Others have had great results mounting small strips on cookie sheets, which are cheap and easy to get heatsinks as well.

Final:
Lux reading 12 inches from T5 lights: 22 100 lux, 238 W total system power (ballasts, etc)

Lux reading 12 inches from Samsung hard strips: 28 900 lux, 130 W total system power (LED driver, etc)

More light at half the wattage!
 
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i know, but its nice for once paying nothing for the shipping AND still getting stuff fast

and no, not hooked them up yet, need to find the time
Did you pay extra tax for them? Just got mine from UPS, had to pay extra 30% tax... Dont they have them in Europe?
 

Randomblame

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From where did you get yours?

Digikey.com is great in Europe, only 19% VAT plus shipping, no import taxes.
Choose your country and language in the upper right corner of their website and prices will be converted in €.
 
From where did you get yours?

Digikey.com is great in Europe, only 19% VAT plus shipping, no import taxes.
Choose your country and language in the upper right corner of their website and prices will be converted in €.
Yes i choose it and i got free shipping what is great, but after they arrived here to finland, UPS contacted me and told me that i have to pay 28% in tax to the Finnish goverment... :/
 

Randomblame

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Yes i choose it and i got free shipping what is great, but after they arrived here to finland, UPS contacted me and told me that i have to pay 28% in tax to the Finnish goverment... :/

Then they must have been shipped from outside the EU. Usually, Digikey maintains an EU warehouse as well. But taxes and duties are pretty high in Finland anyway. You guys have my sympathy!
 
Then they must have been shipped from outside the EU. Usually, Digikey maintains an EU warehouse as well. But taxes and duties are pretty high in Finland anyway. You guys have my sympathy!
I called them a moment ago they dont have any warehouse in EU, all the stuff comes from the US. I could not believe that digikey and arrow are the only ones that sell thouse things, there were buy-companents and another one that i found but they are out of business... Could not find any on alibaba either, just contacted some led guys there. lets see what they'll answer.
 

ANC

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I called them a moment ago they dont have any warehouse in EU, all the stuff comes from the US. I could not believe that digikey and arrow are the only ones that sell thouse things, there were buy-companents and another one that i found but they are out of business... Could not find any on alibaba either, just contacted some led guys there. lets see what they'll answer.
It is important if you want your products to be valued, to use these large distributors.
Otherwise, you end up with stuff being marked as CREExxxx but it is only true of the series number but they used the shittest bin there is to save costs. Like we have with lots of the China cheapies.
 
It is important if you want your products to be valued, to use these large distributors.
Otherwise, you end up with stuff being marked as CREExxxx but it is only true of the series number but they used the shittest bin there is to save costs. Like we have with lots of the China cheapies.
I get it, but manufacturing bases are in Korea and China. So i dont see any point of paying triple tax etc... And this things are pretty new so i dont think they do replicas, anyway i have the originals on me so I can compare them. All the results, places to buy will be posted here...
 

ANC

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I'm not liking it anymore than you I got a $4000 order with digikey about to go off.
 

sethimus

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BuddyColas

Well-Known Member
Samsung F Series Gen3 LED Strips Build (using double row variant strip)

Currently my 4 X 2 veg tent has a 4 X 54W T5 bulb fixture that uses 216 watts, yielding approximately 20 000 lumens. I replaced this with the new Samsung F series Gen3 strips. I ordered two of the SI-B8R521560WW strips from DigiKey. They cost about $26 USD each. The 5000K strips are rated at 9300 lumens each using 2 rows of LM 561C LEDs, for a total of 18 600 lumens, which is close enough to the stated output of my T5 fixture (my T5 bulbs have probably dimmed with age anyway). The 2 LED strips combined use about 103 Watts, about half of the equivalent T5 setup.

Materials:

2 X 24 inch aluminum flat bar (⅛ inch thick)
#6 Self drilling/self tapping screws
2 X SI-B8R521560WW Samsung LED stripsView attachment 3986667

LED Power Supply ( I used a 24V power supply and a separate constant current driver module from eBay. Meanwell HLG-150H-48A would work fine also)
View attachment 3986670
18 gauge solid wire

Steps:
  1. Cut bar into desired length. I used 1.5 inch wide flat bar since the double Samsung strip is 39mm wide. I made it slightly longer than the strip to have attachment points for hanging it. No sag noticed in the bar.

  2. Attach strips using self tapping screws. I drilled first then drove in the screws. It would be best to include a nylon washer so that the screw doesn’t accidentally make an electrical connection on the strip itself. No TIM, no greases, no glues. Easy.
    View attachment 3986671 View attachment 3986672
  3. I connected the wires into the on-board connectors and set the system for 48V, 2.24A (I used a parallel connection for the two strips). No soldering needed. You will need to use the ammeter function on your multimeter to set the current.
Before:
View attachment 3986673
After:
View attachment 3986674

I think this is the way to go in the future. I get 180 lumens per watt with very little construction effort, no expensive heat sinks and no soldering. You can also use these strips for flowering. Just order the 3000K strips and use more of them. These are more efficient than fluorescent bulbs and HPS/MH bulbs while being easier and cheaper to assemble than COBs.

In the future I would just use some office supply clips to secure the strips to the aluminum (you can see one of the clips in one of the images above).

The LEDs do actually get hot, and strip itself gets hot enough that you can only put your fingers on it for a few seconds. I checked and the aluminum seems to max out at 130F (55C). I guess fingers act to draw away heat at a rate that feels too hot. Samsung's specs are measured at 65C so I'm not overheating the LEDs. Still, some extra heatsinks or fan probably wouldn't hurt. These lights will be great in the summer, as total heat is reduced without impacting light output. However, in the winter I may need some seedling heat mats to keep the temperature high enough.

The light comes from one small area, so the light output is more glaring than a diffuse set of T5 bulbs. Not sure if the plants care.

The currents on these particular strips are non standard at 1.12 A each. I used my own power supply components. If you wanted to use a Meanwell, you could use a HLG-150H-48A and adjust the current down. It would be nice if there were inexpensive strips that used standard currents, like 700mA, 1050mA, or 1400mA.

These strips are designed for retrofitting into existing fixtures, so they use standard 2 foot and 4 foot lengths. Nice.

Others have had great results mounting small strips on cookie sheets, which are cheap and easy to get heatsinks as well.

Final:
Lux reading 12 inches from T5 lights: 22 100 lux, 238 W total system power (ballasts, etc)

Lux reading 12 inches from Samsung hard strips: 28 900 lux, 130 W total system power (LED driver, etc)

More light at half the wattage!
Great build. Mid-power LEDs are sooooo superior to T-5s. FYI, don't throw your old T-5 fixture away. Just pull all the old guts out and turn the mounting cables over. Then you can build a killer flower fixture using the flat surface of the fixture for a heat sink and the inside of the fixture for the drivers. Just turn it over and your old fixture has new life!
 
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