K.I.S.S. Method

driel

driel

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Never heard about this, is it possible to get a link to this post? Or pm if that's against the rules.
 
driel

driel

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thanks, I'm going to give this a shot with a fresh batch of GSC clones I cut. Anything to lower fert expenses is worth trying.
 
ChaosHunter

ChaosHunter

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I'm in week 4 of flower and love what I see. I'm adding florolicius+, silica,zyme and rapid start. I'm using a stir plate and a mason jar to get it mixed well.
 
Bakersfield

Bakersfield

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I'm on my second KISS grow in coco. I was not as happy with my first attempt at KISS vs my previous Lucas grows with the flora series. However, I've finally dialed her in and am having phenomenal success with this formula since adding an automated drip system which is set to 5 feedings DTW.
I'm mixing 410 grams of Maxibloom, 62 grams Epsom salt and 50ml Orca benies to a 100 gallon rez bringing me into the realm of 900ppm and keeping my ph in the 5.7 range.
I have never had such explosive results but I'm on day 7 of flower so I can't say for certain how she'll play out.
 
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Devinoosh

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Started my first season with the GH Grow and Bloom, using some Great White and SuperThrive during veg. I started my girls indoor under a few T5s using their organic Grow 1 part so I wouldn't burn out the soil in the small pots prior to transplant outside. They were already about 1.5 going outside, with my 90's GG and Diamond OG looking pretty lame at about under a foot. In a month and a half outside, with only about a month of that using the Grow (played it safe in case my Fox Farm soil was hot for the plants, first grow) they pulled up to four and a half feet before I finally recently started switching to a 50/50 of the Grow and Bloom. Cutting of the Thrive as well but I'll keep the Great White going and probably experiment with pro tekt. The only thing I probably would have done is supplement cal mag in, which I'll be adding this week for flower but definitely try during veg next year. I use well water but even still I feel they could have used a splash added in. My only issue is the pH. I dial it in at 6.5 and I'm unsure if that's right for veg. I'll check back in once these Sours finally get into full MaxiBloom feeding in about a week. My Diamond OG went early but I wasn't interested in swapping to Bloom feeding until my Sours were ready for transition, so those bud pics are from MaxiGrow only and even putting SuperThrive in (slows bud formation). I'm a fan so far though and can't wait to see what the MaxiBloom does up to flush! If anyone has a suggestion with a bud enhancer to add in for Bloom please let me know. Thanks!
 

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TheChemist77

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ive used both gh flora and maxi series for years,,, bloom boosters are not needed w any good nutrient line tho..silika and kelp always have a time and place.. i like that both flora and maxi series when mixed w my water ph is always wright on 5.7,, then it rizes slightly , after 3 days ph is 6.0,, then its time to top off anyways w/ ph balanced water.. love gh but hate that im giving money to scotts!!!!!
 
Bakersfield

Bakersfield

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TheChemist77 said:
ive used both gh flora and maxi series for years,,, bloom boosters are not needed w any good nutrient line tho..silika and kelp always have a time and place.. i like that both flora and maxi series when mixed w my water ph is always wright on 5.7,, then it rizes slightly , after 3 days ph is 6.0,, then its time to top off anyways w/ ph balanced water.. love gh but hate that im giving money to scotts!!!!!
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If it isn't organic nutes sourced locally, I'd bet that there's an evil corporation involved in its development.
Who makes the Calcium Nitrate or other raw fertilizer salts for the agriculture industry?
We had a fertilizer plant down the road a ways, that would produce fertilizers from natural gas. It is owned by Agrium. They may not be evil incarnate like Scott's but they are no angels.
 
im4satori

im4satori

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after being converted by a nutrient calculator

GH maxibloom 7 grams per gallon
N 92 PPM
P 121 PPM
K 215 PPM
Ca 92PPM
Mg 65PPM

equivalent dose of flora nova 11.65mls per gallon
N 123
P 107
K 179 PPM
Ca 123 PPM
Mg 62 PPM

in my opinion the flora nova is better

the K:Ca:Mg ratio is a perfect 3:2:1 so not likely to have an issue with the cation being balanced

the P on the maxi is heavy.. some might argue the P in the floranova is still even heavy but that's debatable

and the flora nova has a bit more N which I would personal prefer
 
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MickFoster

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im4satori said:
after being converted by a nutrient calculator

GH maxibloom 7 grams per gallon
N 92 PPM
P 121 PPM
K 215 PPM
Ca 92PPM
Mg 65PPM

equivalent dose of flora nova 11.65mls per gallon
N 123
P 107
K 179 PPM
Ca 123 PPM
Mg 62 PPM

in my opinion the flora nova is better

the K:Ca:Mg ratio is a perfect 3:2:1 so not likely to have an issue with the cation being balanced

the P on the maxi is heavy.. some might argue the P in the floranova is still even heavy but that's debatable

and the flora nova has a bit more N which I would personal prefer
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How did you come up with 11.65mls of FloraNova per gallon is equivalent to 7 grams of MaxiBloom? According to the Lucas Formula - 7 grams of MaxiBloom is equivalent to 8ml of Flora Nova.
 
im4satori

im4satori

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MickFoster said:
How did you come up with 11.65mls of FloraNova per gallon is equivalent to 7 grams of MaxiBloom? According to the Lucas Formula - 7 grams of MaxiBloom is equivalent to 8ml of Flora Nova.
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the lucas formula is a ratio of N; P:K of 1:1:2

so if you does 4 grams and get

50ppm N
50 ppm P
100 ppm K

or if you dose 8 grams

100ppm N
100 ppm P
200 PPM K

its still the lucas formula only at a lower or higher EC because the ratio of npk is 1:1:2

I got those numbers by using a nutrient calculator that converts the % amounts into elemental PPM thru math based on the grams (for dry) or MLs (for liquid) used per gallon

7 grams of maxibloom would be an equal EC as 11.65 mls of floranova

the flora nova isn't actually the lucas formula since it has more N than lucas (and that's a good thing)

the maxibloom is very close to lucas + or -
 
im4satori

im4satori

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honestly the flora nova is almost a cross between the Hoagland and the lucas

I believe its Hoagland if my memory is correct

anyway hoagland is
npk 2:1:3

for example

90ppm N
45ppm P
135 ppm K

lucas comparative would be 1:1:2
68ppmm N
68ppm P
136 ppm K

the floranova at 8.5mls per gallon

90ppm N
78ppm P
130ppm K

which is kinda a hybrid between the two
it has the higher N ratio desirable in the hoagland and the high P of the lucas
 
im4satori

im4satori

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personally Id prefer a 50/50 mix of maxigrow and maxibloom (5 grams per gallon max combined) until late flower and then use only the maxibloom (5 grams per gallon) in the last 3 weeks before harvest

it gives you a perfect Hoagland

N 99ppm
P 58 ppm
K 154 ppm
Ca 73 ppm
Mg 36ppm

and maybe 2mls calmag depending on the source water and how much calcium it contains which brings you up to

N110 ppm
P58ppm
K154ppm
Ca 90ppm
Mg 43ppm

which is very close to what 10mls per gallon of flora nova yields but with a little less P

flora nova 10mls per gallon
106 N
92 P
154 K
 
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im4satori

im4satori

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horribleherk said:
For now I'm using floranova bloom only but at some point going over to a dry nutrient
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consider this

if you buy maxibloom and maxi grow and fulvic acid and kelp and amino acids what will all that cost?

the compare it to the floranova and flora grow which already has all that in it

unless your running a big grow its likely not much of a savings
 
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