Help, bottom sets of leaves turning yellow.

[greasemonkeymann]

Oh and @greasemonkeymann i like the banter and "ball busting". Maybe we will learn something from it we can use.

absolutely
one of my favorite sayings is this
"an argument doesn't always have to be bad, either you prove how smart you are, or learn something new, either way it's a win/win."

I also have noticed that this difference in growth and appearance is more noticeable with full spectrum lighting than just nutrient changes.

And I have been smoking and around growers indoor and out since 1984 or so.

I have only grown personally for 4. But I have been in the "industry" the whole time. I have smoked pot grown many different ways and from all over the world.

ahh yes, that's actually my biggest difference between me and other growers, I reaaaally like me a complete spectrum.
for yrs back in the early 90s there were basicly NO remote ballasts (not unless you order via mail, which was sketchy back then)
so I had a non remote ballast warehouse 400 w mh, and I grew some damn great herb for yrs with that, then when prop 215 came and I got "legal" I got me a remote ballast 400w hps, and i'll be damned if I wasn't disappointed the first run, wasn't as stony, the buds were more dense and more weighty, but the stone was different, so I added my old MH in the growroom and then struck gold, a 1/1 ratio of MH to HPS gave me significantly better results than a sole HPS, so I totally 100% agree that full spectrum lighting makes.

and whats this i read?
only growing for four yrs?

you got some fairly strong opinions considering that's the extent of your experience, but I won't hold that against you at all, you seem like a good guy, beside us oldtimers gotta stick together.

I've literally grown over a couple thousand plants easily in my day, and between 4-6 harvests each yr


one thing worth mentioning though, dialing in organics can take a bit...
for me it was a gradual process, went to a organic "based" nutrient, then to a full organic nutrient, then to a meal based mix, then to a no till, then to a modified no till, then to an amended compost based mix, which honestly shat allllll over anything I've ever used, NOTHING was as great as the compost, not even close.
The growth rates with a compost based mix are just insane

I may come off as arrogant, but I've NEVER seen anything at the clubs that can hold a candle to what I grow...
I happily will offer the pepsi challenge to any hydro grower.

100% of the growers that have smoked my herb have asked for the soil recipe.
Keep in mind I live in santa cruz CA, so we got a fuckton of growers here

Organics for quality, hydro for quantity.
I absolutely unequivocally disagree on your statement regarding them being the same.
and I can list at least 5 VERY big differences between them..
anyways, its closing shop time
i'm out
take care guys

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I've just never been able to find hydroponic weed that I've smoked to ever be in the same league, just me, maybe if I had found the right grower. I was fortunate, in the 80's and 90's I knew a great guy that always had extremely excellent hydro weed. Never disappointed, still not comparable, even though it was great. Vegas dispensary weed need not even enter the conversation. I've been quite disappointed when I tried it, sampled about 40 1 gram purchases but that is irrelevant.

I guess for me if I ever thought I could grow better quality from hydro I'd be shopping tomorrow. As long as the best that can be said is if I grow hydro I can match the quality, I'll pass.

all I gotta say is that if chelated salt grows could be as good as organics, then WHY would anyone bother with organics?
nobody would.
everybody knows and acknowledges that a hydroponic system will grow faster
there is much more to plants than just the macros and micros
like that kelp for example... it's a whoooole lot more than just it's humble NPK

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

all I gotta say is that if chelated salt grows could be as good as organics, then WHY would anyone bother with organics?
nobody would.
everybody knows and acknowledges that a hydroponic system will grow faster
there is much more to plants than just the macros and micros
like that kelp for example... it's a whoooole lot more than just it's humble NPK

I just want to add here that in my garden I like the results of a hybrid Grow the best. I use ammended potting soil like ocean forest for the good base of micronutrients and NPK and only add fertilizer in flower to prevent or cure deficiencies.

I think too much fertilizer can hurt the quality and varied sources of NPK and trace elements can help the plant grow better.

And if organics was better than regular food production methods all of the top chefs would insist on it. They do not. Just quality.

Those are just observations but the plant science behind why there can be a difference has to do with the micronutrients. And there are studies being done with more than the accepted 16 elements now. And studies on the elements in the ground where the best pot comes from too.

The fertilizer will get better and specific like other crops already have.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I just want to add here that in my garden I like the results of a hybrid Grow the best. I use ammended potting soil like ocean forest for the good base of micronutrients and NPK and only add fertilizer in flower to prevent or cure deficiencies.

I think too much fertilizer can hurt the quality and varied sources of NPK and trace elements can help the plant grow better.

And if organics was better than regular food production methods all of the top chefs would insist on it. They do not. Just quality.

Those are just observations but the plant science behind why there can be a difference has to do with the micronutrients. And there are studies being done with more than the accepted 16 elements now. And studies on the elements in the ground where the best pot comes from too.

The fertilizer will get better and specific like other crops already have.

well shit man, it's absolutely baffling that you don't agree...
I think ya gotta get yourself a nice pimp-daddy compost and a wormbin and make yourself some living soil, and see if it's any different, i'd bet body parts you'd agree..
so i'm not a believer in the whole "specific nutrients" for plants theory
I mean sure, if it's either acid loving or alkaline loving it'd make a difference, or if its like a philodendron vs bamboo or whatnot, but cannabis on it's own doesn't require any special care, at all really.

it's not a matter of "can be" a difference man, there IS a difference, exactly how familiar are you with all the science behind organics?
I'm a bit neurotic, I feel compelled to try and understand exactly how most things work, well, nearly most things anyways (the exception is computers, there could be a meth-fueled rodent in there on a hamster wheel powering it, and telepathically sending my emails out via oscillating mind waves for all I know
reason I ask it's not a matter of "if" or "can", hydro and organics are worlds apart, there are many things that are undisputed between them.
as far as food goes, no well in hell am I going with veggies or fruits that aren't organic and local (if possible of course, can't exactly buy a local pineapple)
but that's more because of all the SHIT they spray on the veggies/fruits, that's some seriously scary shit, and with our fearless leader Mr. Dingleberry-fucktard as pres and his numbnuts shit-for-brains as the EPA director and we are gonna have even worse shit on our food. Already do in fact, he wasted no time at all in that regard... but I digress...

I think the biggest area of mystery is simply the soil webs interaction with the nutrients and the plant itself, coupled with the plant root exudates,the plant is able to alter the ph of the soil as well as can attract the specific type of microbes it "wants" in relation to which that specific nutrients it is lacking, remember all microbes aren't created equal, specific types do very different things.
how the plant "knows" this is still a mystery..
Another example is chitanese/chitin and it's relation to the plants defense system.
humans have such a rudimentary understanding of how that stuff works, and we are discovering more and more each minute.
A plant will attract and use tailor-made bacterial microbes and it's actually been proven, there are some seriously fascinating things behind soil science, and most hydro guys have NO clue it even exists, and granted, why would they need to know?

here is a copy/paste that is amazing to me.

The aim of this study was to identify bacterial communities actively assimilating root exudates in the rhizosphere of four plant species; wheat (Triticum aestivum), maize (Zea mays), rape (Brassica napus) and barrel clover (Medicago truncatula), cultivated in the same soil, by applying DNA-SIP to a 13CO2-labelled plants. SIP was employed to distinguish the metabolically active bacterial populations assimilating root exudates from those growing on SOM. We provide evidence that the plant species shape the soil bacterial community structure and that root exudates select certain bacterial species from the bulk soil bacterial community

Here's a good link to more info, if you are interested

http://www.nature.com/ismej/journal/v2/n12/full/ismej200880a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

well shit man, it's absolutely baffling that you don't agree...
I think ya gotta get yourself a nice pimp-daddy compost and a wormbin and make yourself some living soil, and see if it's any different, i'd bet body parts you'd agree..

it's not a matter of "can be" a difference man, there IS a difference, exactly how familiar are you with all the science behind organics?
I'm a bit neurotic, I feel compelled to try and understand exactly how most things work, well, nearly most things anyways (the exception is computers, there could be a meth-fueled rodent in there on a hamster wheel powering it, and telepathically sending my emails out via oscillating mind waves for all I know
reason I ask it's not a matter of "if" or "can", hydro and organics are worlds apart, there are many things that are undisputed between them.
as far as food goes, no well in hell am I going with veggies or fruits that aren't organic and local (if possible of course, can't exactly buy a local pineapple)
but that's more because of all the SHIT they spray on the veggies/fruits, that's some seriously scary shit, and with our fearless leader Mr. Dingleberry-fucktard as pres and his numbnuts shit-for-brains as the EPA director and we are gonna have even worse shit on our food. Already do in fact, he wasted no time at all in that regard... but I digress...

I think the biggest area of mystery is simply the soil webs interaction with the nutrients and the plant itself, coupled with the plant root exudates,the plant is able to alter the ph of the soil as well as can attract the specific type of microbes it "wants" in relation to which that specific nutrients it is lacking, remember all microbes aren't created equal, specific types do very different things.
how the plant "knows" this is still a mystery..
Another example is chitanese/chitin and it's relation to the plants defense system.
humans have such a rudimentary understanding of how that stuff works, and we are discovering more and more each minute.
A plant will attract and use tailor-made bacterial microbes and it's actually been proven, there are some seriously fascinating things behind soil science, and hydro guys have NO clue it even exists, and granted, why would they need to know?

here is a copy/paste that is amazing to me.

The aim of this study was to identify bacterial communities actively assimilating root exudates in the rhizosphere of four plant species; wheat (Triticum aestivum), maize (Zea mays), rape (Brassica napus) and barrel clover (Medicago truncatula), cultivated in the same soil, by applying DNA-SIP to a 13CO2-labelled plants. SIP was employed to distinguish the metabolically active bacterial populations assimilating root exudates from those growing on SOM. We provide evidence that the plant species shape the soil bacterial community structure and that root exudates select certain bacterial species from the bulk soil bacterial community

Here's a good link to more info, if you are interested

http://www.nature.com/ismej/journal/v2/n12/full/ismej200880a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

I have tried plenty of organic pot. I have plenty of history but I came in to growing with a Michigan medical card donating and frequenting the dispensaries and have had a few caregivers.

Mine was much better. But you sound like you know what you are doing with real organics and may have better stuff than they grew.

However

The science is proving that we can not add microbes and make them work. They only work when soil conditions are right and then they are already there.

Also. Fertilizer doesn't automatically kill microbes and just feeding plants in soil and their uptake still adjusts the ph.

I have educated myself very well in plant science. I have only just got started with my career of growing.

Hell I waited 3 years of successfully perpetually growing before I even posted on a weed forum.

Good link. Good info. Always learning my friend.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I have tried plenty of organic pot. I have plenty of history but I came in to growing with a Michigan medical card donating and frequenting the dispensaries and have had a few caregivers.

Mine was much better. But you sound like you know what you are doing with real organics and may have better stuff than they grew.

However

The science is proving that we can not add microbes and make them work. They only work when soil conditions are right and then they are already there.

Also. Fertilizer doesn't automatically kill microbes and just feeding plants in soil and their uptake still adjusts the ph.

I have educated myself very well in plant science. I have only just got started with my career of growing.

Hell I waited 3 years of successfully perpetually growing before I even posted on a weed forum.

Good link. Good info. Always learning my friend.

yea, but getting microbes to inoculate the soil is simple.
fertilizer doesn't kill them sure, but it disrupts the balance and symbiotic relationship between the plant and the soil web, not to mention the entire biology behind it all is predicated on it being left alone.
Quite the synergistic system though, when you really think about it, I mean for me? I live in the middle of a redwood forest, and to think of all that wood... alllll that carbon being JUST pulled from the air, and not being fed a damn thing.
Ever.
and almost exclusively that's from the soilweb and it's mychorrizhae interaction
amazing to think of though, especially when you consider how many tons each redwood weighs, those things are dense as hell, one fell last winter about a quarter mile from my house and shook my house like the mother of all earthquakes

What I would do, if I were you, is do a lil more research in the biology are of it all, you do seem like a fairly diligent person, but as I said before, with multiple factual information behind it, there is a VERY large difference between hydro and organics, and for the life of me cant see how you say there isn't.
I happily concede to you on the hydroponics skill, it's been well over a decade since I've messed with any bottles at all.
But with all due respect your knowledge on organics needs juuuust a bit more time it would appear, considering that it's not your preferred method though I find it admirable

And admittedly my knowledge on hydro is lacking as well.
but not my horticulture knowledge, or my botany background either.
So go read up my man, and maybe tinker with a leaf compost pile, and i'd bet you'd be beyond stoked on the results from it.

 

[Sidvicious1]

imo, need air bro.. when you up pot try going for a good 40% aeration and screen any wood chips out (leech N cause they are likely 300 or 500 C : N ratio)

and inoculate or sprinkle the root balls with myco, wearing a mask, using a mister to help them stick and catch on better. right. if you can

What's up man..thanks for the help, so I went ahead and backed the light off and transplanted almost a week ago and they are looking 100% better.. it seemed I had the light a little too close and it was drying out the top half of the pot fast but down low was still moiste so I ended up overwatering.. I was going to ask would it be better to top my plants before or after i do my first compost tea feed.?

 

[Buba Blend]

What's up man..thanks for the help, so I went ahead and backed the light off and transplanted almost a week ago and they are looking 100% better.. it seemed I had the light a little too close and it was drying out the top half of the pot fast but down low was still moiste so I ended up overwatering.. I was going to ask would it be better to top my plants before or after i do my first compost tea feed.?

Excellent recovery!

 

[DonTesla]

What's up man..thanks for the help, so I went ahead and backed the light off and transplanted almost a week ago and they are looking 100% better.. it seemed I had the light a little too close and it was drying out the top half of the pot fast but down low was still moiste so I ended up overwatering.. I was going to ask would it be better to top my plants before or after i do my first compost tea feed.?

I like to fim at the 4th or 5th node usually..
but they just had a recovery and a transplant a few days ago so maybe a couple extra days before the snip?

A bit of very weak kelp or seaweed foliar @ say 1/16th tsp per L before the cut, to help hydrate.. or coco and or cucumber foliar .. should also help combat any additional shock.. imo, doesn't hurt to treat them as if they are about to get cloned..

like buddy said, nice recovery!!

I would trim the yellow leaves too, gives them a chitinase response and takes the attractive color for thrips out of the equation

Grow strong bud!

 

[Sidvicious1]

Does anyone have a recipe and amount for a gal AACT. I'm only watering about 12 plants that havnt been in veg long. Its there first tea. Most of what I read is to make a shit ton of tea, I just need 2 or 3 gal after I delute it. Thanks guys.

 

[Sidvicious1]

Does anyone have a recipe and amount for a gal AACT. I'm only watering about 12 plants that havnt been in veg long. Its there first tea. Most of what I read is to make a shit ton of tea, I just need 2 or 3 gal after I delute it. Thanks guys.

Also how much to delute it so I don't over apply or burn anything..

 

[Sidvicious1]

I like to fim at the 4th or 5th node usually..
but they just had a recovery and a transplant a few days ago so maybe a couple extra days before the snip?

A bit of very weak kelp or seaweed foliar @ say 1/16th tsp per L before the cut, to help hydrate.. or coco and or cucumber foliar .. should also help combat any additional shock.. imo, doesn't hurt to treat them as if they are about to get cloned..

like buddy said, nice recovery!!

I would trim the yellow leaves too, gives them a chitinase response and takes the attractive color for thrips out of the equation

Grow strong bud!

What's up man.. I'm trying to make a AACT and I'm sure I don't have a large enoughair pump.. my question is, is it worth even putting on my plants or would it harm them maybe if it's not done corectly..

I put 1 cup ewc, a tea spoon of 3-4-4 organic plant tone fert, a tblspoon of unsulferd molassas, a tblspoon of kelp meal and a tablespoon of alfalfa meal. It's been brewing gore bout 12hrs and there's just a little amount of foam covering the top...

Also what do u think of this recipe for a simple AACT?
Is there anything u would add or take away from it?.. like neem seed meal, havnt herd of anyone adding it.. just trying to find a simple veg and bloom AACT recipe.. I'm still new to living organics.. one of the hardest things I find about it is having to not do anything but water besides a tea here and there and some topdressing.

 

[Sidvicious1]

What's up man.. I'm trying to make a AACT and I'm sure I don't have a large enoughair pump.. my question is, is it worth even putting on my plants or would it harm them maybe if it's not done corectly..

I put 1 cup ewc, a tea spoon of 3-4-4 organic plant tone fert, a tblspoon of unsulferd molassas, a tblspoon of kelp meal and a tablespoon of alfalfa meal. It's been brewing gore bout 12hrs and there's just a little amount of foam covering the top...

Also what do u think of this recipe for a simple AACT?
Is there anything u would add or take away from it?.. like neem seed meal, havnt herd of anyone adding it.. just trying to find a simple veg and bloom AACT recipe.. I'm still new to living organics.. one of the hardest things I find about it is having to not do anything but water besides a tea here and there and some topdressing.

I just stirred it so the foam dissipated a little but i figure I would see more foam than what's there.

 

[DonTesla]

What's up man.. I'm trying to make a AACT and I'm sure I don't have a large enoughair pump.. my question is, is it worth even putting on my plants or would it harm them maybe if it's not done corectly..

I put 1 cup ewc,
a tea spoon of 3-4-4 organic plant tone fert,
a tblspoon of unsulferd molassas,
a tblspoon of kelp meal and
a tablespoon of alfalfa meal.

It's been brewing gore bout 12hrs and there's just a little amount of foam covering the top...

Also what do u think of this recipe for a simple AACT?
Is there anything u would add or take away from it?.. like neem seed meal, havnt herd of anyone adding it.. just trying to find a simple veg and bloom AACT recipe.. I'm still new to living organics.. one of the hardest things I find about it is having to not do anything but water besides a tea here and there and some topdressing.

Just worm farming! how you doing, organic compadre?

Nothing but love, but personally I would dump that tea on an ornamental tree doing bad but thats about it B
But first off are you flowering or vegging, and what size pots are you in and do you have compost or access to outdoors..

Ok, Second thing.. though I haven't seen scholarly articles on the matter to verify, I do believe foam comes from proteins, and aminos, like in worm bodies etc.. just to note in case your curious.

Third thing, not to nit pick but phrasing that recipe and simple AACT in the same sentence, are with all due respect - small incongruities, my man! thats not really a simple tea.. a simple tea would have just 2% EWC or outdoor compost and .5% HQ food source, such as simple mineralized sweetener or fungal food like organic oat flour .. 2 ingredients max, that is simple.. and not to be underestimated! Bacteria multiply by billions fast and if you pre plan a fungal brew you can KILL IT!! This is also where rh/airflow/temps/pot type/size plays a good role, in keeping established bene populations in tact.

Quick side note, your Tone has a whopping 8 ingredients itself, including 3 I would not touch with their potential arsenic and gmo / hormone harboring ingredients.. ditch that type of shit and gain control over your inputs!

4th, when air is low, you can do 100 stirs in one direction then switch, do that twice a day, and you should be ok. 400 stirs a day, will keep the bad guys away, day and a half total brew.

Lastly, regarding neem, its amazing, I just put a cup of cake per cu ft in the soil once a year, and when doing new batches..easy to top dress it in if no tilling over long periods..

I brew teas for life, to release life if life got low, not to release nutrients, there are more in the soil that you think and the first thing should be to release for life to let them find it, then if you are hungry still, the best and fastest thing to do is a foliar spray for direct triggering and relief.

However, easier said than done, the key is to build even better soil in the first place, with various forms of sizes of minerals so there are various stages of release, both fast and slow, and then the water only fun can really begin.

Don Flowering Tip:

Take a 1/2 gallon of soil not being used, sprinkle some organic oats on it, ground to a fine flour.. I sprinkle thru a sieve like I'm dusting icing sugar on French toast.. then I load a healthy fine layer on the soil, leave in warm dark moist conditions for 3 days min to 3 weeks max, and use this soil for inoculating a brew / AACT if I noticed I under amended or need to start extrapolating all the possible rock dusts and inherent minerals

Fungi are the weapon of choice for me for flowering. Let them do the heavy lifting, watering, bio-security and plant feeding.

Way to be organic though its a beautiful journey going cleaner and meaner and learning all the nuances..
Thanks for the theoretical tune up!

 

[Sidvicious1]

Just worm farming! how you doing, organic compadre?

Nothing but love, but personally I would dump that tea on an ornamental tree doing bad but thats about it B
But first off are you flowering or vegging, and what size pots are you in and do you have compost or access to outdoors..

Ok, Second thing.. though I haven't seen scholarly articles on the matter to verify, I do believe foam comes from proteins, and aminos, like in worm bodies etc.. just to note in case your curious.

Third thing, not to nit pick but phrasing that recipe and simple AACT in the same sentence, are with all due respect - small incongruities, my man! thats not really a simple tea.. a simple tea would have just 2% EWC or outdoor compost and .5% HQ food source, such as simple mineralized sweetener or fungal food like organic oat flour .. 2 ingredients max, that is simple.. and not to be underestimated! Bacteria multiply by billions fast and if you pre plan a fungal brew you can KILL IT!! This is also where rh/airflow/temps/pot type/size plays a good role, in keeping established bene populations in tact.

Quick side note, your Tone has a whopping 8 ingredients itself, including 3 I would not touch with their potential arsenic and gmo / hormone harboring ingredients.. ditch that type of shit and gain control over your inputs!

4th, when air is low, you can do 100 stirs in one direction then switch, do that twice a day, and you should be ok. 400 stirs a day, will keep the bad guys away, day and a half total brew.

Lastly, regarding neem, its amazing, I just put a cup of cake per cu ft in the soil once a year, and when doing new batches..easy to top dress it in if no tilling over long periods..

I brew teas for life, to release life if life got low, not to release nutrients, there are more in the soil that you think and the first thing should be to release for life to let them find it, then if you are hungry still, the best and fastest thing to do is a foliar spray for direct triggering and relief.

However, easier said than done, the key is to build even better soil in the first place, with various forms of sizes of minerals so there are various stages of release, both fast and slow, and then the water only fun can really begin.

Don Flowering Tip:

Take a 1/2 gallon of soil not being used, sprinkle some organic oats on it, ground to a fine flour.. I sprinkle thru a sieve like I'm dusting icing sugar on French toast.. then I load a healthy fine layer on the soil, leave in warm dark moist conditions for 3 days min to 3 weeks max, and use this soil for inoculating a brew / AACT if I noticed I under amended or need to start extrapolating all the possible rock dusts and inherent minerals

Fungi are the weapon of choice for me for flowering. Let them do the heavy lifting, watering, bio-security and plant feeding.

Way to be organic though its a beautiful journey going cleaner and meaner and learning all the nuances..
Thanks for the theoretical tune up!

Outstanding! Yeah I have access to outdoors. I love on a farm so I have access to some good compost. We have cows and chickens. Just started a compost pile. I scoop the ground under the chicken coop every so often and mix with cow manure and leaves and topsoil to start it off.. I already have a pile of mixed cow and chicken manure that's been there for a month or so. Ill start a new tea and use a half gal mix of good topsoil with ewc and a little cow and chicken poo mix and about tablespoon of unsulferd molassas be good? .. also I'm in 1gal pots and I'm in veg. I also have a few new seedlings that just sprouted but they won't get fed for a while.. wish I could grow outside but I live where it's frowned upon. So with the half gal of soil and manure mix, how much water do I brew with? And how much do I delute it once it has brewed? Thanks again.

 

[DonTesla]

Outstanding! Yeah I have access to outdoors. I love on a farm so I have access to some good compost. We have cows and chickens. Just started a compost pile. I scoop the ground under the chicken coop every so often and mix with cow manure and leaves and topsoil to start it off.. I already have a pile of mixed cow and chicken manure that's been there for a month or so. Ill start a new tea and use a half gal mix of good topsoil with ewc and a little cow and chicken poo mix and about tablespoon of unsulferd molassas be good? .. also I'm in 1gal pots and I'm in veg. I also have a few new seedlings that just sprouted but they won't get fed for a while.. wish I could grow outside but I live where it's frowned upon. So with the half gal of soil and manure mix, how much water do I brew with? And how much do I delute it once it has brewed? Thanks again.

Well you are set hey, that's huge! Even if you have to go indoors you are set up to go full on organic, all natural, you could just make compost and run your worms through it to refine it further then amend and aerate to 50% for the ideal of all ideals, water only, start to finish!
if in Veg, yes, I would go for the EWC but just ewc and molasses, tsp or 2 per gallon .. if you think its needed. because medium dried out, or under amended

 

[Sidvicious1]

Well you are set hey, that's huge! Even if you have to go indoors you are set up to go full on organic, all natural, you could just make compost and run your worms through it to refine it further then amend and aerate to 50% for the ideal of all ideals, water only, start to finish!
if in Veg, yes, I would go for the EWC but just ewc and molasses, tsp or 2 per gallon .. if you think its needed. because medium dried out,

That's great to hear.. yeah I've been reading more and more about composting and trying to get it set up right for in the future.. I don't have a worm bin yet but I'll be getting one soon.. ok so another issue I'm having is that though my plants are looking great now compared to what they were 10 to 14 days ago, my mix is still holding onto water more than I'd like. Now I know alot is probably because I had a weak root system form when they were seedlings and they were just getting overwaterd and developed poorly and havnt quite had enough time to grow more and stronger roots yet.. like I said it's been about a week and a half since I transplanted to the 1gal and added a bit more perlite to the mix. Like I said they are looking great health-wise but I havnt watered since I transplanted almost two weeks ago and I just figured the mix is still a little too thick if it's holding water that long in a 1gal. So I know to get good root growth the medium needs to be able to dry out better than I have it.. Uve seen my mix I posted on this thread a while back, I didn't think I'd get any waterlog issues while useing peat and perlite but I believe the reason it's holding water might be from the few small scoops of topsoil ( that also had chicken and cow poo in it) that I added for a little natural local minerals and stuffs.. the soil around here is chock full of good stuff, it is pretty clay based and it holds water like it ain't no thang. that being said it's too late to do anything about it in these 1gal, I'll just make sure when I jump to three gal I'll give a bit more aeration. Ive cut some more holes out of the 1gal so they can breath a little better. but Anyway, what I'm getting at is there's still good nutrients in the one gals I just wanted to give them a boost of microbes to jump them off in those pots. There getting dry so hopefully tomorrow will be ready for the tea, I just want to get those roots back in action. They were pretty pathetic when I transplanted so hopefully they will be looking better sice they havnt having had any water in a week n a half. Thanks for the info man, working inside with soil is def different and new to me.. learning more every day..

 

[Sidvicious1]

Well you are set hey, that's huge! Even if you have to go indoors you are set up to go full on organic, all natural, you could just make compost and run your worms through it to refine it further then amend and aerate to 50% for the ideal of all ideals, water only, start to finish!
if in Veg, yes, I would go for the EWC but just ewc and molasses, tsp or 2 per gallon .. if you think its needed. because medium dried out, or under amended

Also a ventilation question.. my grow room is roughly 5x15x8. I have a window AC unit that keeps temps great.. Im abòt to purchase a inline exhaust fan with carbon filter and I was wondering what size u would recommend for that size room.. I figure a 720CLF most likely but wanted to get other people's opinion..

 

[DonTesla]

Hey buddy

I would probably increase root zone air flow a tad, temps a tad, and holes as you did, and then you can top, that will direct energy into the root system and increase yields later..

Another thing you can do is take a skewer and gently poke holes one inch deep..

Then maybe scratch some aeration into the topsoil to help aerate that poop you added.

You can also ditch the wood chips, they will get all moist and keep soil moist for longer.. When plants are young they love their frequent air exchanges..

For topdress, I would opt for diatomite or pumice or a combo or GRD enriched compost and Biochar


As for your inline, a 6" inline will scrub an 8x8 room no problem .. And that's 64 sq ft. So at 75 ft you only need the smallest step up. 8"

However if going organic, you could go sealed, and let your soil web provide the co2 as well.

Keep up the great work regardless dude.. Cheers

 

[Sidvicious1]

Hey buddy

I would probably increase root zone air flow a tad, temps a tad, and holes as you did, and then you can top, that will direct energy into the root system and increase yields later..

Another thing you can do is take a skewer and gently poke holes one inch deep..

Then maybe scratch some aeration into the topsoil to help aerate that poop you added.

You can also ditch the wood chips, they will get all moist and keep soil moist for longer.. When plants are young they love their frequent air exchanges..

For topdress, I would opt for diatomite or pumice or a combo or GRD enriched compost and Biochar


As for your inline, a 6" inline will scrub an 8x8 room no problem .. And that's 64 sq ft. So at 75 ft you only need the smallest step up. 8"

However if going organic, you could go sealed, and let your soil web provide the co2 as well.

Keep up the great work regardless dude.. Cheers

Thanks for all the great info man.. I used that tea and it's working great.. I'm still going to go get a better pump and stone but what I had got the job done.. alright. Things are looking up but I have another question. So the plants in the pic are mendo purps. I also have a few jack h and green c that just sprouted but that's irrelevant right now.. my question is have u ever had plants express there sex befor u cut the lights back.. I have a few of them that are expressing female flowers and I have no idea why.. the light is on 18/6 and I'm a little worried that it might be herming on me from the stress of overwatering early. Do u have any insight on this?? Thanks man
. I know I'm beating the hell out of u with questions, all for a great purpose tho