Impeachment of Donald J Trump **Official Thread**

londonfog

londonfog

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schuylaar said:
I'm going to say he'll get the facts, put it together and make the case..there's just going to be so much of it, I'm afraid it's going to take awhile.

If it were me, I'd do the above. Get ALL the facts first. You can't make it proper decision with facts missing. Dot your 'i' cross your 't''s. You prepare for battle.

I guess that's why he's gotten a 16th attorney that specializes in fraud and foreign bribes etc.

The Trump family has no clue they are all going to do time. Seriously. All of them..Ivanka, Jared, Don Jr and Eric.

Fun Fact: 60 people went to jail over Watergate..60.
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Nope no jail time for any. Baron Trump will blamed by the rest of family. Due to his age and inability to speak he will walk as well.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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londonfog said:
Not true. Some Repukes would love to have Pence in office.
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Maybe they like the idea, but they would rather cut off their units with rusty knives than give the dems an inch. They will spend 2 years just trying to keep trump from running for a second term. Actually, they don't have 2 years. They have 1. And trump is already campaigning for reelection. If he decides to run, the path will be clear for him. Even rand paul won't try to primary him.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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schuylaar said:
I'm going to say he'll get the facts, put it together and make the case..there's just going to be so much of it, I'm afraid it's going to take awhile.

If it were me, I'd do the above. Get ALL the facts first. You can't make it proper decision with facts missing. Dot your 'i' cross your 't''s. You prepare for battle.

I guess that's why he's gotten a 16th attorney that specializes in fraud and foreign bribes etc.

The Trump family has no clue they are all going to do time. Seriously. All of them..Ivanka, Jared, Don Jr and Eric.

Fun Fact: 60 people went to jail over Watergate..60..for the lies of a break-in.
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But there was only pardon given. Trump will pardon everyone, including himself. It will take years for any challenge to that action to be resolved. The supreme court tends to give a lot of deference to the president's powers. Don't count on them to come up with a tortured analysis finding he doesn't have the power if there is a conflict of interest (a standard judges are held to).

The solution will be political, not legal. But a political solution convincing him to resign will only work with a rational actor. Trump isn't rational. But he is predictable. Everything he has done for the past 60 years shows the route he will take. He won't resign. And the republicans won't have the guts to take him out.

If you have been paying attention to what they do, that is a no brainer.
 
Heil Tweetler

Heil Tweetler

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if the ball keeps rolling in the same direction I hope that the right maintains their groveling fealty to this shit breathing, bumbling and tactless witless narcissist.

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Heil Tweetler

Heil Tweetler

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greg nr said:
But there was only pardon given. Trump will pardon everyone, including himself. It will take years for any challenge to that action to be resolved. The supreme court tends to give a lot of deference to the president's powers. Don't count on them to come up with a tortured analysis finding he doesn't have the power if there is a conflict of interest (a standard judges are held to).

The solution will be political, not legal. But a political solution convincing him to resign will only work with a rational actor. Trump isn't rational. But he is predictable. Everything he has done for the past 60 years shows the route he will take. He won't resign. And the republicans won't have the guts to take him out.

If you have been paying attention to what they do, that is a no brainer.
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bro how do you know the crimes will be pardonable?
 
greg nr

greg nr

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Heil Tweetler said:
OK but logic 101 seems to be wedged up your ass
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facts can be inconvenient, I agree.

The constitution, specifically article 2, gives the president unlimited authority to issue pardons for crimes committed against the united states. Feel free to look it up.

It doesn't even say he can't pardon himself, and there is a lot of controversy over whether he can. But, that would take years to resolve, and in the meantime he would be free and couldn't be prosecuted.

But maybe new york will indict him? Nope, there are precedents that suggest a case wouldn't be allowed to proceed while he was in office. Because while I would love to see this president dragged before a state court, I would loathe it if some texas da indicted a president I liked on some made up charges and dragged them into court, possibly over and over. The Scotus would probably rule the case would have to wait until he was out of office. And, it's entirely possible the gov of new york could pardon him.

So logic be damned. He is immune from prosecution, at least while he is in office. He is above the law. And he can bring his family above it as well. You bought him, you own him.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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greg nr said:
Everything he has done for the past 60 years shows the route he will take. He won't resign.
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i disagree. he always takes the easy way out: bankruptcy, divorce, etc. he'll resign and claim: he can make more money in business, has a new tv channel to start, he doesn't want his family investigated.
 
Heil Tweetler

Heil Tweetler

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greg nr said:
facts can be inconvenient, I agree.

The constitution, specifically article 2, gives the president unlimited authority to issue pardons for crimes committed against the united states. Feel free to look it up.

It doesn't even say he can't pardon himself, and there is a lot of controversy over whether he can. But, that would take years to resolve, and in the meantime he would be free and couldn't be prosecuted.

But maybe new york will indict him? Nope, there are precedents that suggest a case wouldn't be allowed to proceed while he was in office. Because while I would love to see this president dragged before a state court, I would loathe it if some texas da indicted a president I liked on some made up charges and dragged them into court, possibly over and over. The Scotus would probably rule the case would have to wait until he was out of office. And, it's entirely possible the gov of new york could pardon him.

So logic be damned. He is immune from prosecution, at least while he is in office. He is above the law. And he can bring his family above it as well. You bought him, you own him.
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bro, if you're a constitutional scholar please state your credentials. If you're a gas bag quell the gum flapping. Whether trump can pardon absolutely and whether he might be guilty of non-pardonable offenses is a topic of debate among professionals. Fronting as if you're a SCOTUS justice only highlights the preposterous, know-it-all tone of your babbling.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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Heil Tweetler said:
bro, if you're a constitutional scholar please state your credentials. If you're a gas bag quell the gum flapping. Whether trump can pardon absolutely and whether he might be guilty of non-pardonable offenses is a topic of debate among professionals. Fronting as if you're a SCOTUS justice only highlights the preposterous, know-it-all tone of your babbling.
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Sources?

I've stated mine.

Just because you don't like the message doesn't make it untrue. He is in fact above the law if he chooses to go there; no president has, but he would..

We put the president there via the constitution. It doesn't take a scotus justice to see that.

He can and willpardon himself and everyone around him. He won't admit to anything, he will just say he is putting an end to all the pointless and distracting investigations.

Sorry you believe wrongly he can be prosecuted. He can't be. Any of the remedies you alluded to would have to work there way through the courts to the sc. They aren't likely to rule against him, but he will be retired by the time they rule.

And then he has to be convicted. And that is if he is even competent to stand trial. He may not even stay in the country.

It doesn't take a law degree to see any of this. You just can't be so far in disbelief you can't tell a fact from a Frito.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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rkymtnman said:
false. you have to admit to being guilty of a crime before the pardons start flowing.
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Really? Where does that requirement appear?. Now you can argue the definition of pardon, but it doesn't require any admission on the part of the recipient. Many have been issued posthumously to people who swore their innocence until the day they died.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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greg nr said:
Really? Where does that requirement appear?. Now you can argue the definition of pardon, but it doesn't require any admission on the part of the recipient. Many have been issued posthumously to people who swore their innocence until the day they died.
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so trump can pardon himself and family from "possible" crimes? that makes no sense.

people swore their innocence to a crime that they had been formally charged with should be what you typed
 
Heil Tweetler

Heil Tweetler

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greg nr said:
Really? Where does that requirement appear?. Now you can argue the definition of pardon, but it doesn't require any admission on the part of the recipient. Many have been issued posthumously to people who swore their innocence until the day they died.
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greg nr said:
Sources?

I've stated mine.

Just because you don't like the message doesn't make it untrue. He is in fact above the law if he chooses to go there; no president has, but he would..

We put the president there via the constitution. It doesn't take a scotus justice to see that.

He can and willpardon himself and everyone around him. He won't admit to anything, he will just say he is putting an end to all the pointless and distracting investigations.

Sorry you believe wrongly he can be prosecuted. He can't be. Any of the remedies you alluded to would have to work there way through the courts to the sc. They aren't likely to rule against him, but he will be retired by the time they rule.

And then he has to be convicted. And that is if he is even competent to stand trial. He may not even stay in the country.

It doesn't take a law degree to see any of this. You just can't be so far in disbelief you can't tell a fact from a Frito.
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Youre sounding out a fictional narrative.

I'm not into fritos but haven't you sucked all the "phony expertise" out of those Cheetos flavored bone spurs?

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Heil Tweetler

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. Sen. Jeff Flake’s new book, “Conscience of a Conservative,” is a white-hot indictment of Republican cowardice in the face of a hostile ideological takeover. It also represents the single largest act of political bravery of the Trump era



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The single biggest act of political bravery of the Trump era
The book has gained buzz for its, well, forthright description of Trump himself. He is guilty of “erratic behavior, unmoored from principle,” and a “fly off the handle” approach to governance. He is “impulsive and lacking in coherent economic analysis.” He is willing to “heap praise on dictators and to speak fondly of countries that crush dissent and murder political opponents” and to “undermine confidence in our democratic elections.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-single-largest-act-of-political-bravery-of-the-trump-era/2017/08/03/3fa77c30-786f-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?tid=hybrid_collaborative_2_na-amp&utm_term=.b4365914fc69

*comment section raises salient points about flakes voting record.
 
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