Topdawg Genetics

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goldberg71b

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chemphlegm said:
I've placed more orders with them since with no issue. Not defending them at all, no dogs in that race, but they treated me well and customer service was good. Expensive but couldnt find what I was looking for any where else, so they rock in my book until further notice
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I guess he really really likes you! I'd do it again if it worked for me too!
 
morgwar

morgwar

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Well nothings changed. Chems are cursed.
everyone selling those seeds is swept up in drama and controversy.
Even JJ believes it.
I'm not usually the superstitious type, but I'm thinking maybe ill stick to growing and working it for my self since the only ones in trouble or hated are the ones trying to profit.
Either way though I'm going to do the work and maybe if I give em away free, the scary scooby doo curse will lift and the hippies will stop burning flags and global warming will reverse etc etc
But making money on em shouldn't be my goal.
Free seeds will kill this racket once and for all.
When JJ gets old maybe he'll see the big picture and do what's right for the plant and the movement in general, and give back to it what he's taken.

Everybody knows karma is fire, and we know he loves his karma og, and it shows in the grow logs and reviews.
He may chuck here and there and that's fine because its a cheap thrill with f1s but in the end he knows as well as I do that there's a deeper obligation whether your a grower or breeder. And that obligation is to the living creature that's giving you so much.
Morgwar seed co. Free worked genetics for the masses.
 
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morgwar

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chemphlegm said:
breed out ? not sure about that.
but check this out;
Tahoe OG Kush, all the fems showed confusion(2008ish)
I chose my fav clone and treated her one time with Reverse, fan leaves, spritz, cost about .09 to do it.
I've cloned form a clone hundreds of times, hybridized with 6 other favorites, no more confusion ever in any after
initial treatment, just like they told me on the phone. Reverse is a brand name, the tech is age old and used on many veggies and fruits in production.

I have successfully bred this sexual confusion from every Tahoe OG Kush, and now EVERY chem hybrid I keep, some single prophylactic treatments even, just in case on those. imagine the time savings even if this hormonal issue could be bred out, compared to this.
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Respectfully (as always chem) I think that your herm issues may not have been bred out( imho) but instead you bred in, what the plant needed.
So now your plants have the stronger traits to eliminate the need to herm?
This is hypothesis only and my intention is light conversation.
Though I can see your point referring to a hormonal issue.
I think that the herm ability will always be there, just not as prevalent in a genetically healthy plant.
 
morgwar

morgwar

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And lastly. Yes I will buy every high dollar chuckfest strain I can get my hands on,
Breed them old school and johnny appleseed this bitch till the day I die.
I will prey on every asshat breeder that acts the fool here ig etc.
Ill sell hash and oils off my seedy plants to pay for it.
And I invite all here to join in there own way.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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morgwar said:
Respectfully (as always chem) I think that your herm issues may not have been bred out( imho) but instead you bred in, what the plant needed.
So now your plants have the stronger traits to eliminate the need to herm?
This is hypothesis only and my intention is light conversation.
Though I can see your point referring to a hormonal issue.
I think that the herm ability will always be there, just not as prevalent in a genetically healthy plant.
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I believe all of our girly mj's are capable of showing both sexes, part of their dna. when environment is right, or wrong, their hormonal messages change and in a last ditch effort(heh, pun) they will express a boy part in order to make a seed in order to continue their down line.
I believe that the sensitivity can be bred out, I do not believe I bred anything out of the dna, but I did interrupt the messages, and it has lasted hundreds of generations, while the originals were confuse almost right out of the gate in a well controlled environment. Why did it work? I could give two shits. that was awhile ago.
Then I dusted off the bottle when I saw these new Topdawgs throwing balls, not many, but every plant! Honestly I think someone could have managed the crop with manual removal but I cannot, and dont have any patience for confused plants in my garden spaces.

why would I spend years with a punnets square trying to dial this trait out of my line, using up precious plant counts, uncompensated resource costs, etc....when a 50 cent treatment will do it right? Its a popular greenhouse treatment that works on many of our fruits and veggies we buy daily. Once I find or make holy grails I store them forever as cuts, or keep them growing till bored, clone from a clone, mom, whatever. I do understand stabilizing genetics for commercial applications, personal funs too, and am wowed every time I hear someone taking on the task.

-I should have put bred in italics on my last post...it was tongue in cheek. I dont breed anything except bad habits these days.
 
morgwar

morgwar

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chemphlegm said:
I believe all of our girly mj's are capable of showing both sexes, part of their dna. when environment is right, or wrong, their hormonal messages change and in a last ditch effort(heh, pun) they will express a boy part in order to make a seed in order to continue their down line.
I believe that the sensitivity can be bred out, I do not believe I bred anything out of the dna, but I did interrupt the messages, and it has lasted hundreds of generations, while the originals were confuse almost right out of the gate in a well controlled environment. Why did it work? I could give two shits. that was awhile ago.
Then I dusted off the bottle when I saw these new Topdawgs throwing balls, not many, but every plant! Honestly I think someone could have managed the crop with manual removal but I cannot, and dont have any patience for confused plants in my garden spaces.

why would I spend years with a punnets square trying to dial this trait out of my line, using up precious plant counts, uncompensated resource costs, etc....when a 50 cent treatment will do it right? Its a popular greenhouse treatment that works on many of our fruits and veggies we buy daily. Once I find or make holy grails I store them forever as cuts, or keep them growing till bored, clone from a clone, mom, whatever. I do understand stabilizing genetics for commercial applications, personal funs too, and am wowed every time I hear someone taking on the task.

-I should have put bred in italics on my last post...it was tongue in cheek. I dont breed anything except bad habits these days.
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I gotta say I agree. Breeding for smell production, flavor, and resistance is hard enough.
I think if you get those four traits dialed in you won't see herms.
Besides I remember now your producing for patients so end product is a much higher priority.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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morgwar said:
I gotta say I agree. Breeding for smell production, flavor, and resistance is hard enough.
I think if you get those four traits dialed in you won't see herms.
Besides I remember now your producing for patients so end product is a much higher priority.
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wondered when a breeder realizes a particular plant is not bothered by his mites while the others are. So he calls that one "bred for resistance". I never grew an "indoor" strain that didnt do awesome outdoors and vice versa, so I call my really large ones "bred for outdoor success", besides ...the breeder is making seeds in his own environment, those down line seeds adapt to his place not ours necessarily, even if "breeding" for it exists.

breeding for profiles etc is very real as well as for the other reasons mentioned, , I bet that Lemon skunk is mite resistant fo rthe natural dlimonene expressions, which we all know pest dont like.........but I'm not buying it, these fly by night breedrs we see so often just are not doing much more than marrying two kind genetics to explore what happens. there is a place in my heart for this too so no worries on my end, I love the time/cash savings I can get buying the results rather than acquiring select genetics and doing it myself.

Funny how a professional breeder for decades "breeding for X" hasnt thought about breeding out variegation or hermaphrodite tendencies for example first eh? this is not directed at any specific breeders, only the ones lying about their "breeding for" scenes.
 
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morgwar

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chemphlegm said:
Super City, day 36 flowering
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Tres 2, day 44 flowering
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Super City is a keeper beyond expectations.
this is my second cycle of the gem
Tres 2, not so much, this is likely my final cycle of her
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Super city is definitely on my radar if comes available again!
Have you or anyone else run 91 chem 12?
Any thoughts or opinions on it, if you have?
My ultimate chem has been achieved according to my samples of copper, but for the Uber diesel I need a good foundation strain.
 
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chemphlegm

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my super city gave me some guava fruity light on the fuel type flavs, one of the seeds came with the chem4 expression I love. They're all really good producers, large buds nice. One will be a keeper here. Copper and Raindance are my holy grails today, I am googlie eyed with both.
no chem 12, but 91 for many years until raindance came along lol. 91 was very powerful but lacked the meat/mothball I demand, I kept it for the medicinal value, real knock down on pain, but man, raindance topped it already so....
 
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chemphlegm

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volusian said:
Super city definitely looks super dank. I don't have that but do have the sister city. I hope to find some fire in those.
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no doubt, and to be clear every cracked seed produced fire from td, some better than others(for me and mine). I get that same experience with most seed packs from solid breeders, I expect it even. if one of them sucks its always my fault.
 
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goldberg71b

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chemphlegm said:
my super city gave me some guava fruity light on the fuel type flavs, one of the seeds came with the chem4 expression I love. They're all really good producers, large buds nice. One will be a keeper here. Copper and Raindance are my holy grails today, I am googlie eyed with both.
no chem 12, but 91 for many years until raindance came along lol. 91 was very powerful but lacked the meat/mothball I demand, I kept it for the medicinal value, real knock down on pain, but man, raindance topped it already so....
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What cross is super city? I can't find it? Am I wrong because I've assumed it was super city skunk. And you were using short hand. Now I'm not so sure.
 
CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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cuddlesthesheep said:
Everyone is a cut chucker now. So many to choose from and much more profitable than working multiple lines.
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Now? Elite started offering elite cut crosses at low cost and was the first or at least was the first with any high volume and he was highly shunned for it (sans myself and a few others), everyone else saw how fast he grew and dove in.
 
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