Organic Growing: An Introductory Guide

Rasta Roy

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Yea I have a few. What would be some good things to reamend with?
My personal choice would be more worm castings and compost, some neem seed meal, crab shell meal, gypsum. I would prolly do 60-75% old soil, and the rest compost and castings. 1/2 cup of cubic feet of everything else.

If you haven't used Langbeinite before I would add 1/4 cup per cuft but if you have I would hold off until after another run with it.
 
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MongolianMonkeyNuts

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I'm not one to talk shit, except for when it amuses me :) but subcool invests his money in McDonald's stock, dude's soil building skills leaves a lot to be desired. And the way he turns soil into an ammonia pile; following the recipe doesn't matter. Just don't plant anything into your ammonia pile until it stops stinking up your basement.

If you wanted to follow a quality recipe like the one I posted for you previously tho... ;)

It's compost, so you could use it as a part of your compost ratio. Might as well use it up if you got it. I would lean on a more bacterial heavy compost like worm castings, composted manure, or thermally produced compost for a cannabis crop though. Forest floor compost is great for soil building in a garden bed, it's not something I would recommend or personally use in a container garden. You could make an argument for it's benefits, it's not like it's toxic lol. But it is bagged compost, that has to travel on a truck to a distributor, and then on another truck to a wholesaler, where it sits for god knows how long until it goes on another truck to your local growstore or online distributor; where it sits for god knows how long until you buy it. And they charge you 10 bucks for half a cubic foot.

My point being, you might be able to find a local compost producer (most towns have at the very least a large landscaping company that produces or sources local compost that they will also sell). The product will be fresher and more active, and you'll pay 20 bucks for a cubic yard (you prolly don't have to buy all that)


hahaha. trust me, you're not the first or last to talk shit about subcools recipe. As i navigate this forum, i come across a lot of peeps talking smack about it. But it is the recipe that introduced me to organic growing, therefor, allowing me to cross paths with you. So i guess thats cool. Anyway, like i said before, i had a lot of the ingredients left over from about a year ago and decided to use them up when i read some guys modified subcools recipe.

modified:

2 bags roots natural and organic soil
15 pounds Earth Worm Castings (Karma Castings)
420g fish bone meal (down to earth 3-16-0)
420g bat guano (happy frog 0-5-0) / i used 250g of Jamaican bat guano (sunleaves 0-10-0)
420g blood meal (down to earth 12-0-0)
80g potassium sulfate (0-0-50)

200g ancient forest alaska humus (general organics)
200g xtreme mycorrhizal granules / i used Bio-Live (down to earth 5-4-2)
200g azomite

100g sea kelp (algamin 1-0-2) / i used 100g of Kelp Meal (down to earth 1-0.1-2)
70g dolomite lime (30% cal 3% mg or 75/12)
50g alfalfa meal (down to earth 2.5-1-1)

20g humic acid powder (down to earth)


Rasta Roy:

base soil:
1 bag House and Garden Coco (1.75cf)
1 bag Aurora Innovations Precision Perlite (2cf) eye balled to 1.75
1 bag Purple Cow Activated Compost (1 cf)
15 pounds Karma Worm Castings
added about 2 cups of Ancient Alaska Humus

Mix
.75 cup Fish Meal (down to earth 8-6-0)
.75 cup Crab Meal (down to earth 4-3-0)
.75 cup Oyster Shell (down to earth)
.75 cup Kelp Meal (down to earth 1-0.1-2)

Plan to use your ACCT teas throughout and 2tbs of alfalfa and kept per gallon for Veg Tea. and
Five gallons dechlorinated or RO water
4-6 cups of worm castings
1/2 cup of kelp
1/4 cup of molasses
Brew 24-48 hours
Can dilute with up to 15 gallons of water for Flower Tea.


i spent $152.47 acquiring all needed ingredients i didn't have; that includes both bags of Roots and ingredients for your base soil. Not bad at all IMO. Also, as i was going through my shopping list, the guys at the shop really liked your recipe and said that i will be much happier with your medium.

Both Mediums are sitting nice and hot under the sun. The subcool i will cook for an entire month. Rasta Roy will let it sit about 2 weeks.

Ill post pics very soon.
 

MongolianMonkeyNuts

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Yeah. No shit. 28 bucks plus tax aint no joke. But i still got some from like 6 months ago. Guess i can settle for what i have for now. Thanks for the input.
 

Rasta Roy

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Does anyone else use insect frass? My plants love that shit, both as a top-dressing and in steeped nutrient tea.
(pun intended)
I would totally use some! But with all the compost, and worm castings I make, plus the cheaply priced high quality compost that is available in my area; I can't really bring myself to buy the 2lbs for $25 that they charge for insect frass at the local grow store. I've looked into cockroach composting but those fuckers are the one bug that grosses me out lol...ill prolly just stick to my worms. But maybe one day!
 

Nugs1

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I'm planning a greenhouse raised bed all organic grow not year but I'm having a hard time finding a large amount of peat moss or the like. Any suggestions?
 

Chunky Stool

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I'm planning a greenhouse raised bed all organic grow not year but I'm having a hard time finding a large amount of peat moss or the like. Any suggestions?
I used recycled soil from cannabis grows to make raised beds.
Another good option is local farmers, especially for compost. Most will dump a "scoop" in your truck for $20. (scoop = cubic yard)
 

Nugs1

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I used recycled soil from cannabis grows to make raised beds.
Another good option is local farmers, especially for compost. Most will dump a "scoop" in your truck for $20. (scoop = cubic yard)
I actually have a local guy that is willing to pretty much give me all the cow shit I want and he said I can dig around his soil that has been enriched with so thats where I'm going to start.
 

Rasta Roy

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I actually have a local guy that is willing to pretty much give me all the cow shit I want and he said I can dig around his soil that has been enriched with so thats where I'm going to start.
Awesome! Grab that cow shit in your hand and squeeze. If it crumbles like dirt or compost than it should be safe to use. If it's still squishy like shit than you're gonna wanna compost it before you use it. If you're prepping your bed a couple months ahead of time you can compost it right in the bed alongside your favorite garden amendments (just keep things balanced).
 

Nugs1

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Awesome! Grab that cow shit in your hand and squeeze. If it crumbles like dirt or compost than it should be safe to use. If it's still squishy like shit than you're gonna wanna compost it before you use it. If you're prepping your bed a couple months ahead of time you can compost it right in the bed alongside your favorite garden amendments (just keep things balanced).
That's great, but make sure the manure has been aged. Fresh cow shit is toxic to plants. o_O
Yeah thanks for the heads up guys! I'll be building my greenhouse and raised beds this winter hopefully done by February. I'll be getting everything moved in as soon as I get it. I plan on putting everything in and letting it "cook" by march at the latest. Also starting plants inside in march and placing them outside in may, you think thats enough time for everything to start working together?
I also have a shit ton or earthworms around my place I'll be harvesting them through out the winter or fall to put them in there. I found a farm about 2.5 hours of me that sells pretty much all the organic ingredients needed for a "super soil" in 50 lb bags, I'll be spending about $400 there for everything minus base dirt/compost.

Rasta roy, what you said about the cow shit, would that go for chicken shit as well?
 
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