Fogdog
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You first. You made the claim earlier, so you go first.
Go get a link that directly quotes Feinstein saying she is against universal healthcare.
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Go get a link that directly quotes Feinstein saying she is against universal healthcare.
Padawanbater2
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Parsing words and arguing semantics doesn't change the fact that Feinstein has not co sponsored any bills that would provide universal healthcare. As you've pointed out, the official Democratic party position is that they do support universal healthcare, so obviously she will never flat out say "I don't support universal healthcare". You will never hear that from an establishment Democrat. That's why you're adamantly rigid about the direct quote, because you know that to be true, too. Instead, they say things like "If it's going to mean a complete government takeover of healthcare, I'm not there", or "A better idea [universal healthcare] will never, ever come to pass". Or they'll do what Rendon did and argue against the good in favor of the perfect.
Democrats who actually support universal healthcare will sponsor/cosponsor bills that propose enacting it and unequivocally answer 'Yes', like Warren did when asked if they support it
Status of Support: California
Fogdog
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LOL, you say that I'M the one who is twisting words. LOL. You aren't a leftist. You just want a better job. Not that I blame you. And "single payer" healthcare still involves all the trappings of big government taxation of the private sector. Let's just say that your antipathy to Antifa isn't exactly a left leaning stance either. And then there is this:Parsing words and arguing semantics doesn't change the fact that Feinstein has not co sponsored any bills that would provide universal healthcare. As you've pointed out, the official Democratic party position is that they do support universal healthcare, so obviously she will never flat out say "I don't support universal healthcare". You will never hear that from an establishment Democrat. That's why you're adamantly rigid about the direct quote, because you know that to be true, too. Instead, they say things like "If it's going to mean a complete government takeover of healthcare, I'm not there", or "A better idea [universal healthcare] will never, ever come to pass". Or they'll do what Rendon did and argue against the good in favor of the perfect.
Democrats who actually support universal healthcare will sponsor/cosponsor bills that propose enacting it and unequivocally answer 'Yes', like Warren did when asked if they support it
Status of Support: California
So, tell me, what's the difference between men's rights and women's rights?
Padawanbater2
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What are you referring to when you say "all the trappings of government taxation of the private sector"?
SneekyNinja
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He doesn't want to believe facts because I didn't spoon feed them to him, gave him the exact term to type into the search engine so he could choose a source he considers credible and he refuses to type 4 just words into Google.
He also fails to realize that the "big donors" tend to come after you take the party nomination.
Padawanbater2
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That's not how it works. I don't want to see a source I think is credible, I want to see a source you think is credible. The one that convinced you that Sanders received more in PAC donations than Clinton
If you make the claim, it's your responsibility to provide the evidence that supports the claim. This is how it works in every single area of inquiry. Would you claim the Earth is flat, then when asked to see the evidence, would you respond "just Google it, why do I have to spoon feed you everything?"? No, right? Because that's dumb, right? I can Google "flat Earth real" and get millions of pages that support it. You show me where you read the idea that Sanders took more PAC money, let me see your source for myself so I can verify it. Every source I've ever seen says the opposite. They say the opposite because your claim is false.
SneekyNinja
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Believe whatever delusional shit you wish then, I tried and now I've no more fucks to give.
Sanders lost, you should treat your diaper rash once and for all.
Think about it...you've a super PAC trying to draw away Democrat voters lead by...a guy that works for Russian news...
ttystikk
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No and that's the reason why the Progressive Movement in America is so rapidly growing into a political force to be reckoned with.
The establishment Democratic Party just wants to keep taking the money- damn their principles and their constituents.
ttystikk
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First you accuse me of being wrong-and then you confirm that you agree with me.
Are you THAT stupid or just that confused?
SneekyNinja
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Only because the Conservatives don't want to get fucked at the polls, and they are going to be fucked at the polls next time.
It's all relative, Democrats are still way to the left of Republicans...but both are to the right of European politics...see how that works?
Padawanbater2
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You didn't try anything. You made an easily verifiable claim, then complained when asked to provide the source for it
So did Clinton, yet look at your goofy signature picture
JD is not a super PAC
The organization is trying to recruit better candidates who actually represent progressive ideals their constituents care about as opposed to courting big money donors and corporate interests like establishment Democrats do. If this draws votes away from them and towards JD candidates, great! That's the entire idea.
Nobody affiliated with JD is affiliated with Russia. That's establishment propaganda. I'd ask you for your source, but for some reason, you take issue with providing the evidence to back up your claims, which means your claims lack credibility.
Padawanbater2
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Yeah, I noticed that too
SneekyNinja
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Lol...
So the board member of the Justice Democrats isn't a presenter on a show produced for Russia Today in the US?
And Justice Democrats aren't a super PAC?
And Sanders didn't use PACs to take big union money?
Are you living in the fucking twilight zone or something? Jesus, I actually feel sorry for tty to have to be associated with you retards.
Padawanbater2
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Yes, he is. So is Larry King. Do you think Larry King is a propaganda piece for Russia and that everything RT produces is Russian propaganda?
No, they're not. Do you know the difference between "superPAC" and "PAC"?
The Sanders campaign wasn't associated with any superPACs during his presidential run. I've asked you to provide the evidence that you believe shows he was, but you take issue with that, claiming you don't want to "spoon feed me" and "do my homework for me", even though you made the claim...
So that's where we are on that one. You can turn off the 'repeat' cycle and put it to bed until you provide the source for it. Til then, it stays in the garbage
SneekyNinja
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During the primary, at least try debate the things I actually said.
The big big money comes after the primaries.
And Sanders didn't have a "Presidental run", he crashed out of the Democrat primary and then he both supported and voted for Hillary Clinton on her Presidental run.
Sanders got as close to the White House as you did last cycle.
Padawanbater2
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Are you claiming that had Sanders won the Democratic primary, he would have taken big money donations?
SneekyNinja
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I'm saying that's when the big donations come in, I can't speculate on what Sanders might have done if he hadn't crashed out in a landslide but he sold out on pretty much everything else the second he conceded and then supported the opponent he claimed was so evil.
"We'll take it all the way to the Convention!"
ttystikk
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I'm claiming I saw the man in the moon today, too.
He was eating green cheese.
I saw the whole thing!
Padawanbater2
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So Clinton didn't receive any "big money donations" before the general election race began?