coco coir preflowering auto dying

NinjaMaster

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hi guys,

my coco is at ph 6.5
my waterings are between 5.5 and 6.5
ive been giving veg feedings with 1/4 tsp calmag

Whats happening here?
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coco is a bitch, autos are fickle, you're new at this. That's the biggest obstacles you face. Change medium to something more forgiving and learn from these mistakes, get photoperiod seeds, less electricity, less headache, autos are for outdoor.
 

NinjaMaster

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ok i was thinking of going soil cos this has been a fuckiing ordeal.
im too noob.
any recommendation for soil? can i just get potting soil and mix it with perlite and dolomite lime?
 

Xs121

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Getting myself a big mug of coffee and danish...and watch as the coco people comes in with pitchfork. :mrgreen:
 
I'm not a soil guy check out the organic section, it's not technically soil but promix is a good base mix I've had pretty good luck with as is, and it works with any brand feed
 

JackSkell

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First off take what Thick Sticky Sock said with a big grain of salt, anyone who claims "coco is a bitch" obviously just had a bad experience with it or has never actually grown in it, coco is probably the most preferred medium amongst cannabis growers, It really falls down to your specific environment and experiences though. TSS was not entirely wrong, autos are fickle plants, they do not have the resilience that photoperiod plants have, they do not like to be transplanted so always start an auto seed in whatever container will be its final pot. You cant clone autos due to their pre-determined lifespan, a cutting taken from an auto will VERY rarely take root and if it does root it will not veg, it will become a small popcorn bud plant at its best. The only real training you can do to an auto is LST and even that can cause them to stunt if youre not careful.

Its also true that most growers will suggest you start out in soil to really learn the basics of growing before getting into any kind of hydroponic or soilless mediums, but theres nothing wrong with starting off in coco either (coco is considered a soilless medium), what you need to do though is dial in your environment, It would help if you could give us some more info like: size of your grow space,what lighting is in that grow space, how your ventilation is setup, average daily temps (high and low), your watering/feeding method, how often you are watering/feeding, and what nutes you are using. This info will give others and myself a better idea of what issues you may be running into which gives a better shot at providing you with possible solutions.

Also its good that you know coco should be between 5.5-6.5 but where are you actually adjusting it to when you mix your batch up? you should always aim for the lower side of that range to start, plants take up different nutrients at different ph levels, 5.5-5.8 is perfect ph to adjust to when mixing your nute batch for coco, the ph will naturally rise over time which gives your plants a chance to uptake nutrients across the spectrum. if your freshly mixed nute batch ph starts higher than 6.0 then you run a higher risk of your ph drifiting above 6.5 which will in turn have a negative impact on your plants, it also means your plants will not have a chance to uptake the nutrients that are only available below the 6.0 range

In conclusion, more info is needed to assess your current plant issues, Try to stick to photoperiod plants, they only take a few more weeks than autos depending on strain, grow method, etc, and are much hardier, resilient, and will produce much higher quality buds. and lastly either stick to coco and dial in your environment more, or give regular soil a try (but remember that MiracleGro is a big no-no) to really get the basics down, remember that no matter how long any of us has been growing for, we are all still learning, always keep learning, if you think your a master at this or that you have nothing left to learn then you probably have more to learn than anyone.

Peace and happy growing!

just as a quick edit since a couple of posts came in before i got mine up:
LMAO @ Xs121 you know us coco guys so well xD
and TSS is correct in his second post: promix is the bomb!
 
coco + noob = frustration

look how much you had to write just to explain proper coco tek. I'll admit my gripe isn't with the medium its with the coco curve of learning. To the op and coco crew: Coco is indeed fine medium when done properly.
 

JackSkell

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coco + noob = frustration

look how much you had to write just to explain proper coco tek. I'll admit my gripe isn't with the medium its with the coco curve of learning
i mean you're not wrong.. but i dont mind the typing, id rather share the knowledge than just tell someone to avoid trying something altogether, we've all gone through our trials and errors, and if were not willing to share those experiences then why even be on these kinda forums?
 

JackSkell

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or that perlite/verm mix is better than both...
eh i really think again it falls to your specific environment and method, there are circumstances where each medium could be the "best" but everyone's conditions are different. I couldnt do perlite/verm unless i switched my DTW system back to EnF for example, But coco/perlite or promix/perlite both work like magic in DTW while the benefits of EnF were pretty much wasted on those mediums, again in my particular circumstances.
 
I was just raggin you lol there's always more than one way to trap a possum, I've used a wide variety of mediums they all work in the end I actually haven't used perlite verm mix in a long time, currently my net pots have promix in em
 

JackSkell

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I was just raggin you lol there's always more than one way to trap a possum, I've used a wide variety of mediums they all work in the end I actually haven't used perlite verm mix in a long time, currently my net pots have promix in em
oh i know you wernt lol, with how ragey people get nowadays its easy to tell the difference between pure arrogance and comical banter haha. But yea always more than one way, ive tried just about everything from pure earth, coco, promix, straight perlite, perlite/verm, NFT, DWC, EnF, DTW, etc.. i personally love EnF but only with certain mediums and setups, for what im doing now DTW with coco/perlite just works best for me, promix is also amazing but i have access to a endless supply of coco that i never have to pay for so i just stick with that usually lol. +another reason to love coco in general is the small coco fiber pots, simply because i can clone (in rapid rooters) and as soon as i see roots i pop it into a 4" coco pot, let veg for a few weeks in that till i see some more roots coming out, then pop the whole thing straight into the 2gal EnF bucket (EnF bucket system changed over to drip to waste that is) Has made my life much easier and less messy! lol
 

ANC

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What is the environment like high humidity? temperatures? Did you buffer your coco with cal-mag before pH in it? (it makes a big difference). Also seeing signs of overwatering. The way to get big roots is to be really disciplined with trying to figure out what the minimum amount of water you give them so they dry out fast enough to get new food at stronger concentrations more often. The harder you make the roots work the better. If you have very good drainage, low humidity, and high temps it might very well need water every day, but you should know it is getting dry. If you wait too long it will go dry very suddenly, the roots get these puffy tips which are great for expanding quickly.

If a plant is kept too wet in coco it develops small roots and is very sensitive to missed waterings or even overwatering. It will also have a harder time absorbing nutrients.
 

coreywebster

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Try and stick closer to 5.8ph. That's not the problem but worth doing.
Could you take a pic of your set up so we can see the whole thing.
What are your temps? What lighting? Bagged branded coco or non branded dehydrated stuff?
 

JackSkell

Active Member
@NinjaMaster we are waiting patiently for your reply with more info on your grow so we can help, you've got the attention of some great growers in here but its hard to tell you whats going on without knowing more of the variables, i will say ANC is right it definitely looks overwatered which is usually hard to do in coco unless your drowning it daily, i can also say that you are on the right track combining coco with smart-pots, i did that for a long time and got great results-probably some of the best plants ive ever grown were done that way! the key to it as ANC pointed out is making sure you have consistent wet-dry cycles, an easy way to accomplish this consistency is to use an old bathroom scale to weigh the pots right after watering so you know the average weight of them when wet then wait a few days for them to dry out and weigh them again to get the average weight of them when dry, you will notice a significant difference in weight between wet and dry and before long you wont even need the scale you'll just know by picking it up if it needs watering, With coco+smart pots you really only need to water ever 2-4 days during veg (many variables can affect the rate at which water is transpired) and only every 1-2days during flower, again keep in mind these are ballpark estimates based on the average water retention rate of coco in smart-pots, you really have to know and watch all your variables to know what your specific grow needs are, this is what people mean when they talk about "dialing in" your grow.

Edit:
One last side note about coco+smart pots, either set up an automated drip system for your pots or get some kind of container large enough to mix your nutes in and then sit your smart pots in that to water them. (i used to use a concrete mixing tub for my larger 5-8gal smart pots)

Coco is easily disturbed by pouring water into it manually so you want to avoid watering from the top if you're hand watering. Its actually better to water from the bottom (make sure atleast the bottom 1/3 of your smart pot is submerged when using this method) because then as you pull the pot out of the water the vacuum created will draw fresh air into the rootzone from the top, this is the same science behind EnF growing.

If using a drip system you want to place the dripper to where it drips as close to the center of the pot as possible but without having it drip directly onto the stem of the plant, You want the drip nearest to the center so that the coco will wick the moisture evenly throughout the pot, however if your dripping right on the base of your plant then the water will be going directly to the roots and the roots will not spread out "in search" of more food. And just to clarify in case you dont know- more roots=more bud, so dont think "oh i dont care if my roots dont spread out" because trust me- you do! xD
 
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NinjaMaster

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dudes sorry for no reply.
i had to pull myself out of bed yesterday to take those photos and post this.
i am so god damn sick - some guy gave me the proper man flu by coughing his sickness all over me the other day.

let me read all this stuff and ill reply in the next few mins.
Yesterday all i could muster was that one post and i was out like a light.
 
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