Banana Crack Information Thread

WeedFreak78

WeedFreak78

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Finshaggy said:
Here is something strange that most people probably do not realize.

Many strains are simply just a certain cut of a certain strain, for example Cindy 99 is just a special cut of Skunk #1, and Green Crack is just a special cut of Skunk #1, and Cheese is just a special cut of Skunk # 1. Skunk # 1 itself is a certain Phenotype of Skunk, which is a wider variety.

Tahoe OG is just an OG Kush variety, and OG Kush comes from Chemdawg, Premium Diesel is just a special cut of Chemdawg. Original Diesel has Chemdawg and Skunk genetics, both with Skunk # 1 in their lines. And there are tons of other examples in the OG/Diesel/Chemdawg line.

And if you take the special cut of Skunk # 1 called Cindy 99, and mix that with the special cut of Skunk # 1 called Cheese, you get a new strain.

Another example is that the Kong strain used to make Danky Kong was a strain that had been being cloned and shared around Colorado dispensaries and had been dubbed "Colorado Kong".

So it is possible to create strains within strains, and make clone only varieties that are only available because it was a weird almost fluke mutant seed that ended up being different than the rest of its brothers and sisters.

So within my new strain, the new breed I make that I use as breeding stock, similarly to Bomb seeds "Bomb # 1" that they use to basically create a new version of every popular strain, but just a bigger plant and bigger yield because of their "Bomb # 1" Genetics. I don't know if mine will be the F1 Phenotype or some random fluke plant, but I'm going to find a plant that has THCV and smells combined in a way that has not been seen before.

Sure, people mix Durban with Cindy, or Durban with Girl Scout Cookies (it's even already in Girl Scout Cookies) and maybe someone grows Malawi Gold, and maybe they even mix it with Diesel. Or they grow Zamdelica, or whatever. But no one has decided that Durban was not going to be their focus, that they were going to mix in as many fruit tones as possible, and that they wanted high THCV. No one has done all of that, and usually when anyone does anything close its with Durban only.
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You don't create a new strain by focusing on phenotype expression within a genetic line, which is what you're describing.

Just because someone gets a kush, or whatever, that expresses generic differences than any other plant within its lineage doesn't mean it's a new stain, just a new phenotype expression.

Start crossing lineages and poof, new strains with all new genetic expressions that need to be grown out, en mass, to be identified.

I'll admit, some of your ideas are interesting and maybe worth exploring. Just the way you present it is extremely poorly executed and documented, hence the vitriol.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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kds710 said:
Either you are going to know you are going to love the Banana Flavor and you will love it, or you know you are going to hate it and you are going to hate it.......

.......what...
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Have you ever very been like "I've got some Banana X, want to try some?" and ever had anyone say to you, "I don't know, I'm not sure what Bananas taste like."?
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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WeedFreak78 said:
You don't create a new strain by focusing on phenotype expression within a genetic line, which is what you're describing.

Just because someone gets a kush, or whatever, that expresses generic differences than any other plant within its lineage doesn't mean it's a new stain, just a new phenotype expression.

Start crossing lineages and poof, new strains with all new genetic expressions that need to be grown out, en mass, to be identified.

I'll admit, some of your ideas are interesting and maybe worth exploring. Just the way you present it is extremely poorly executed and documented, hence the vitriol.
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That's not what I said.

I said that new strain can/have been created that way, not that it is the only way it is done.

And it does create a new "strain", maybe not a new breed. But Tahoe OG is a different strain from SFV OG, is a different strain from OG Kush. But they are all the same breed of bud.

For you to get anal like this and pretend I'm wrong for stating "Tahoe OG exists" and "Green Crack exists" seems like a stretch.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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And if you come back saying "Tahoe OG and Green Crack aren't Strains, they are phenotype expressions" or whatever, then your problem is not with me, it's with the whole marijuana industry.
 
WeedFreak78

WeedFreak78

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Finshaggy said:
And if you come back saying "Tahoe OG and Green Crack aren't Strains, they are phenotype expressions" or whatever, then your problem is not with me, it's with the whole marijuana industry.
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I definitely have an issue with every Tom, Dick, and Harry cross breeding, then calling it thier "new stain" without the actual breeding program to prove its stability. I've looked into breeding for personal use, I figure it would take a minimum of 3 years and a couple hundred seed pops before I would even think about it being something I could say was unique and genetically stable. If I was doing it commercially, IDK how long I'd invest in breeding, if my name's on it, I'd be doubly vigilante in making sure they were stabilized and grew out as I said. I think I read something like 5% variation is considered "stable" , so if you pop 100 seeds, no more than 5 should show genetic disparity.

There are very few truly "stable" strains out there. Dutch Passions Durban Poison is the only strain I've found to grow consistently the same from seed over a dozen and a half seeds in 5 years. Some kushes I've grown were close, but still showed some disparities.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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WeedFreak78 said:
I definitely have an issue with every Tom, Dick, and Harry cross breeding, then calling it thier "new stain" without the actual breeding program to prove its stability. I've looked into breeding for personal use, I figure it would take a minimum of 3 years and a couple hundred seed pops before I would even think about it being something I could say was unique and genetically stable. If I was doing it commercially, IDK how long I'd invest in breeding, if my name's on it, I'd be doubly vigilante in making sure they were stabilized and grew out as I said. I think I read something like 5% variation is considered "stable" , so if you pop 100 seeds, no more than 5 should show genetic disparity.

There are very few truly "stable" strains out there. Dutch Passions Durban Poison is the only strain I've found to grow consistently the same from seed over a dozen and a half seeds in 5 years. Some kushes I've grown were close, but still showed some disparities.
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Ok. So I definitely get where you are coming from, but the Marijuana industry isn't there yet.

Right now it's worse than just a single cross, people are just like "I like Blueberry and I like Trainwreck, so I made Bluberry Wreck". People aren't even thinking "Oh, so Kong and Biodiesel made Danky Kong, let's try Kong and Sour Diesel and maybe Kong and Original Diesel to see what happens". Or, "Let's make it have Banana, Peach, Mango, Strawberry Terpenes". There is hardly anyone on that level yet.

And then Landrace is even more rare for people to be tapping into. And while you are probably right and while what we call "strains" right now, will be more like "stages" in the future, and it will take probably about 3 years like you were saying in order to get through all the stages and stabilize completely with a whole new line of Genetics.

But we're definitely not there yet and won't be for a while.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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The Banana Crack is a good size, and the seeds were feminized, so I am most likely going to flower Banana Crack this round, with Blue Mystic and Early Durban, and I will pollinate them with a Malawi, African Buzz, or South African Kwazulu male.
 
weedhead24

weedhead24

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Finshaggy said:
The Banana Crack is a good size, and the seeds were feminized, so I am most likely going to flower Banana Crack this round, with Blue Mystic and Early Durban, and I will pollinate them with a Malawi, African Buzz, or South African Kwazulu male.
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I got a green crack cross it's a regular unfeminized strain called bubble crack
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Just an update

The Banana Crack is doing really well, and I got a single Strawberry Stardawg seed and that did really well too. I will have picture updates soon, but Holy Smoke Seeds has really really good plants.

All my other plants look nice and grew well (still growing, just talking about what has happened so far); but the Banana Crack and Strawberry Stardawg got a late start, but I transplanted them with the others, and they shot up huge and fast, with stems as thick as the largest of the ones that started before them, and about the same height as the ones that started before them.

And when topped all the branches are getting bigger. I lollipopped it so that it only has 6 branches grown out, and they are all basically looking like tops.

So just wanted to point out, as the seedlings got bigger and the plants showed how they were doing, different ones got replaced and taken out; and I put in the Strawberry Stardawg, and the Holy Smoke Seeds look like the best plants out of all of them in my opinion.
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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Finshaggy said:
Just an update

The Banana Crack is doing really well, and I got a single Strawberry Stardawg seed and that did really well too. I will have picture updates soon, but Holy Smoke Seeds has really really good plants.

All my other plants look nice and grew well (still growing, just talking about what has happened so far); but the Banana Crack and Strawberry Stardawg got a late start, but I transplanted them with the others, and they shot up huge and fast, with stems as thick as the largest of the ones that started before them, and about the same height as the ones that started before them.

And when topped all the branches are getting bigger. I lollipopped it so that it only has 6 branches grown out, and they are all basically looking like tops.

So just wanted to point out, as the seedlings got bigger and the plants showed how they were doing, different ones got replaced and taken out; and I put in the Strawberry Stardawg, and the Holy Smoke Seeds look like the best plants out of all of them in my opinion.
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They're just hating on you because they know your decades ahead of your time. Keep up the groundbreaking work.

#fin cervantes
#finnigan Rosenthal
#garden fin
#George fin puttin
#finn-ishing plants
#finna grow that bomb
 
Finshaggy

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whitebb2727 said:
Lets see some pics of those healthy plants.

All talk and no walk. You talk a big game but won't back it up.
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You still haven't admitted you were wrong about the court case, I am probably just going to block you soon. Like I did Srh88 and Uncle Buck. One time I saw srh88's post because I wasn't logged in yet, and I responded to him and he was so happy.

Don't abuse the fact that I still let you talk to me.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Finshaggy said:
You still haven't admitted you were wrong about the court case, I am probably just going to block you soon. Like I did Srh88 and Uncle Buck. One time I saw srh88's post because I wasn't logged in yet, and I responded to him and he was so happy.

Don't abuse the fact that I still let you talk to me.
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What ever. Like its a privilege to talk to you.

You said you could show the docket. I asked you to and I would admit I was wrong.
 
Bob Zmuda

Bob Zmuda

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Finshaggy said:
You still haven't admitted you were wrong about the court case, I am probably just going to block you soon. Like I did Srh88 and Uncle Buck. One time I saw srh88's post because I wasn't logged in yet, and I responded to him and he was so happy.

Don't abuse the fact that I still let you talk to me.
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LOL!!!!!!

You can't make this stuff up.

So....... No plants? We didn't think so.
 
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