The flush "myth"

chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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stnr420 said:
Why argue? My profession demands a refined palate....as a chef of 20 years...most people cant tell the difference between a mcdonalds burger and a kobe beef burger....people think red bull tastes good....fuckin gross....so i dont care if people think green weed full of nutes tastes good...thats there problem...i CAN always tell the difference....i used to grow outdoors and feed till the end....and then had to cure for 3 damn months to get a smooth product...i like to smoke my weed fresh......if flushing is for toilets...then curing is for smoked meats...
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I've been a consumer of fine foods longer than you have been learning to prepare it. I can spot grass fed from corn, organic from slat nutrients in vegetables grown here regardels of how long I feed or flush. I've been privy to the finest cuts of meats and the purest refinement of cannabis buds for the bulk of my life. If it took 3 months for your weed to taste right you messed up. curing ferments the unburned carbs in your weed, those come for different reasons, overfed/fed to the end, an ill plant not processing correctly, ill grow space, improper resources, etc. curing in a jar ferments the cabbage, rendering it with less sugars, less carbs etc as the thc converts to more sleepy effects on you, no doubt better than any flavor or effect you may have had when the buds snapped dry. perhpas, but not the answer to good weed, maybe the answer to fixing fucked up weed?
 
stnr420

stnr420

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chemphlegm said:
I've been a consumer of fine foods longer than you have been learning to prepare it. I can spot grass fed from corn, organic from slat nutrients in vegetables grown here regardels of how long I feed or flush. I've been privy to the finest cuts of meats and the purest refinement of cannabis buds for the bulk of my life. If it took 3 months for your weed to taste right you messed up. curing ferments the unburned carbs in your weed, those come for different reasons, overfed/fed to the end, an ill plant not processing correctly, ill grow space, improper resources, etc. curing in a jar ferments the cabbage, rendering it with less sugars, less carbs etc as the thc converts to more sleepy effects on you, no doubt better than any flavor or effect you may have had when the buds snapped dry. perhpas, but not the answer to good weed, maybe the answer to fixing fucked up weed?
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Maybe....that was a time when we didnt have all this info on growing...hell i was using crappy walmart soil and miracle grow with chlorinated tap water! Its honestly been a long time....nutrients have come a long way....my next round im goin to do a side by side.....maybe im wrong....maybe i dont need to flush....
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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stnr420 said:
Maybe....that was a time when we didnt have all this info on growing...hell i was using crappy walmart soil and miracle grow with chlorinated tap water! Its honestly been a long time....nutrients have come a long way....my next round im goin to do a side by side.....maybe im wrong....maybe i dont need to flush....
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Have they? I used miracle grow and other dry salts for years on some big outdoor runs and honestly I didn't taste a huge difference in the different salts if used properly but my palette may not be quite as refind as some :(. The name of the beef I eat is what ever we name him just before we load him in the trailer :o.

Edit: Give me a head start before you light the torches and grab the pitchforks please.
 
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Gr33nman33

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I think a flush would always depend on your ppm, ph, and feed schedule along with your environment which would determine your transpiration rate and wheather nutrients were used efficiently or locked out. I think this would vary so much for each grow setup.

If the VPD is off, then transpiration will be different. If I can only get 40% humidity at 79 degrees in my grow then technically I should pull back on ppm as they will transpire faster than at the 65-70% I should be at. I think that would change my flush or need for one. I have seen many great growers stand by 1-2 weeks of RO depending on nute levels and strain with varied finishing methods.

I have a Blue Dream SC cut and I saw a long time growers advice on this strain to feed extra Nitrogen as it hogs it up. I fed it the same as my Indica dominant Somoas and am now paying for it. The best I can do is add extra Cal Mag at this point and feed the to two seperate now. I think the flush will be different for the two and I will RO only the Indica before the BD. My girls pic to see. BD in back.

My 2 cents on what I see based on growers that produce quality buds. I am no expert. Little experience to back it but so far that advice has been helpful for me. Peace.
 

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Mission City Buds

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DirtyD313 said:
So being kind of a noobie here i usually tend to skim through threads from time to time trying to get ideas and snippets of information. One that I have seen pop up multiple times is that flushing is a myth and its about money for nut companies and ect. Now. I pray this doesnt turn into a debate. But i ask why this is a myth or at least believed to be. I ask that people dont come in here bashing about FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH because i am currently one of those guys. I flush gallons of ph balanced water with no cleaning agents only. So my question now is, could someone cite some sources of facts for me or link a previous thread that already does so? Please, FACTS not oppinions or bashing for doing it or not. Im simply trying to educate myself, I actually just had someone tell me to crop my plant and throw it in a bowl of water for 24 hours and thats how thwy flush it. Sounds pretty off the wall but like I said, I dont know so I am trying to educate myself.
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I've always found unflushed weed has a harsh taste and a black ash when smoked. I've had weed so full of nutes still that it wouldn't even stay lot to smoke. I'm a firm believer in flushing. I've always done it and don't think I'll ever risk not doing it lol.
 
Chunky Stool

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Mission City Buds said:
I've always found unflushed weed has a harsh taste and a black ash when smoked. I've had weed so full of nutes still that it wouldn't even stay lot to smoke. I'm a firm believer in flushing. I've always done it and don't think I'll ever risk not doing it lol.
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That's a popular myth.
Black ash comes from bud that's too moist, which also explains why it won't stay lit.
If it pops & crackles when smoked, that's a different matter...
 
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jonsnow399 said:
if it won't stay lit its too wet or improperly dried and cured.
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I disagree. I dry and sweat and cure my herb just fine. The black hard ash is unused fert. The unused chems will not burn. If you don't think there is a difference I urge u to try your own comparasion. Flush half of your crop and don't flush the other half. Dry, sweat and cure the same way. I guarantee u will see and taste the difference.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Mission City Buds said:
I disagree. I dry and sweat and cure my herb just fine. The black hard ash is unused fert. The unused chems will not burn. If you don't think there is a difference I urge u to try your own comparasion. Flush half of your crop and don't flush the other half. Dry, sweat and cure the same way. I guarantee u will see and taste the difference.
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unused fert creating off flavor= overfed/fed to the end. dont do that and you wont have to do that.
the directions on the bottles always instruct a reduction of ppm's as cycle finishes. anyone notice that?
 
Creature1969

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chemphlegm said:
unused fert creating off flavor= overfed/fed to the end. dont do that and you wont have to do that.
the directions on the bottles always instruct a reduction of ppm's as cycle finishes. anyone notice that?
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Yep. Canna's coco schedule calls for less the second to last week and only Boost in the final week. (I imagine so you'll use more of the most expensive ingredient)

With nothing to back it up other plants drinking less, I just figured less nutes were needed after bud swell so that's what I do.
 
Chunky Stool

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Creature1969 said:
Yep. Canna's coco schedule calls for less the second to last week and only Boost in the final week. (I imagine so you'll use more of the most expensive ingredient)

With nothing to back it up other plants drinking less, I just figured less nutes were needed after bud swell so that's what I do.
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I bet the "Boost" is mostly potassium sulfate.
A lot of growers like to give their plants a dose of molasses two weeks before the chop. I'm not sure what this does.
I would try it but my current fert already has some molasses, so it would be redundant.
I know plants stop feeding their mycorrhizal fungi late in flower, so maybe the extra sugar is to keep microbes happy right up to the chop.
Dunno. :eyesmoke:
 
whitebb2727

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Mission City Buds said:
I've always found unflushed weed has a harsh taste and a black ash when smoked. I've had weed so full of nutes still that it wouldn't even stay lot to smoke. I'm a firm believer in flushing. I've always done it and don't think I'll ever risk not doing it lol.
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That wasn't the nutes the reason it wasn't staying lit. Neither was the black ash. Both from moisture.
 
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