Strips or QB?

[Lucky Luke]

Gday all, I'm still struggling to get my head around LED. Id like to replace a 600w hid with a LED. Mainly for the cost savings. I will still be running HID over winter. I'm in a 4 x 4 x 7.

Id also like it to be fairly inexpensive. The price of some systems seem to be the downfall. There are two simple to assemble systems that ive been recommended and id like some pros and cons. I'm not confident playing with 'lectricity and these seem to be a simple plug and play.

Led strips- http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5x-TCI-L...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649 I have no idea how many of these id need...???

or

QB- https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/diy/products/qb120-quantum-board
Driver-https://www.amazon.com/Mean-NES-350-24-Switching-Power-Supply/dp/B00KTJE3L4/ref=pd_sbs_328_5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=5D670QM3RNKJBBNJYNDS.

I'm fairly certain id need 6 of these QB to replace a 600hid in flower. 2 of these QB do surprisingly well in vegging a 4 x4.
EDIT: Looks like id only need 4. So $120US for 4 QBs and say $60US for the driver= so under $200US all up.


If we could keep it to plain English and not to much tech gobbledegoop id appreciate it

 

[CannaBruh]

I'd go with strips but not those, http://www.samsung.com/global/business/business-images/led/file/product/lighting/201511/Data_Sheet_LM561C_Rev.3.2.pdf

 

[nc208]

I don't think you'll need 6 QB's. 4 will cut it nicely for a 4x4 area. You can look at the hlg-550 which is 4 quantum boards.
That fixture will replace a 1000w hps pretty well.

You can buy it pre assembled or build it yourself for close to half the cost. Look at getting 2 260w kits and you can play around with spacing.

 

[Humple]

I replaced a 250w HPS with a 150w QB. Faster, healthier growth under the QB. I really can't see you needing more than 4 boards.

 

[Stephenj37826]

I don't think you'll need 6 QB's. 4 will cut it nicely for a 4x4 area. You can look at the hlg-550 which is 4 quantum boards.
That fixture will replace a 1000w hps pretty well.

You can buy it pre assembled or build it yourself for close to half the cost. Look at getting 2 260w kits and you can play around with spacing.

Yeah and if he waits until Oct first there will be another sale on the HLG-550

 

[Danielson999]

It all comes down to whether or not you want to build a frame for the strips or not. If you don't mind the extra DIY part of it you can save close to half of what you'd spend on the QB kits.

 

[nfhiggs]

I'd go with strips but not those, http://www.samsung.com/global/business/business-images/led/file/product/lighting/201511/Data_Sheet_LM561C_Rev.3.2.pdf

I like the Samsung strips myself. Looking at picking some up in a few months.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I don't think you'll need 6 QB's. 4 will cut it nicely for a 4x4 area. You can look at the hlg-550 which is 4 quantum boards.
That fixture will replace a 1000w hps pretty well.

You can buy it pre assembled or build it yourself for close to half the cost. Look at getting 2 260w kits and you can play around with spacing.

at $1,000 the hig550 is getting up there in cost. But I hear what your saying..4 of the QB I posted should be fine?

 

[Lucky Luke]

It all comes down to whether or not you want to build a frame for the strips or not. If you don't mind the extra DIY part of it you can save close to half of what you'd spend on the QB kits.

I don't mind building a simple frame, its electrical work I'm not confident in doing.
I'm also a but worried the strips are not as bright as the QB.

 

[Danielson999]

Strips and QB's both have poke-in connectors. Use wagos to connect to the driver. Build frame, mount strips/qb's...done.

Whether it's strips or QB's you can have either be more powerful. It just depends how many strips or qb's you have and what current you run them at. You can easily have a strip light that is more powerful than the HLG 550 and it would cost you less. It's just all photons and watts.

 

[Randomblame]

I would say, 6 of these 29$ QB120's in a 4x4' should be okay or you take 3 QB302 or QB288.

Samsung F-Series strips use the same 561c top bin diodes, 2ft strip has 72pcs, bulk-price 25pcs ~250$.

This means, 2 F-Series strips(144 diodes) are brighter as one QB120. 4 F-Series strips(288 diodes) are comparerable to a QB288. And like mentioned above, they use the same connectors. You can connect them in series and parallel without any other connector and if you rather live on the secure side, a secure 24v or 48v parallel circuit is possible with these strips. No lethal voltage!
They only need simple aluminum profiles or a 3mm sheet for the mounting and are thus sufficiently cooled. And if you want, you can drive them with up to 1.4A, which is over 36w and still get 160lm/w.
Or run them really soft at 250mA to squeeze out 200lm/w!
That all together makes them easy to work with and it's hard to find a comparerable product in the same price range.
For wiring I recommend you to visit LEDgardeners website there is da detailed how-to well explained for LED noobs.
Or ask here for help when you have all the parts together and you do not get any further with the construction. Here you will surely find the help you need!

 

[VegasWinner]

I don't mind building a simple frame, its electrical work I'm not confident in doing.
I'm also a but worried the strips are not as bright as the QB.

Strips and QB's are the same diodes. NO difference. Difference lies in your electrical skills. Before I make a major purchase of leds I experiment on the cheap. I hate to waste my money.
good luck

 

[psychedelicdaddi]

i use those lights and love the hell out of them. my panel is a mix of 3000k and 4000k. i also added 3 wavlengths of uva and 660/720nm diode. You need to mount to either a slate heatink or aluminum U-channel. I used 2" U channel with a 1" leg height. The drivers you get are dimmable by on board switches but at full power you would need a fan across your u-channel to push heat off. The dimmer settings on the drivers are perfect without fans on the heatsink though.

i like them so much that i bought another 5 pack of 3000k for a slate heatsink i have on hand.

 

[kony brado]

I would say, 6 of these 29$ QB120's in a 4x4' should be okay or you take 3 QB302 or QB288.

Samsung F-Series strips use the same 561c top bin diodes, 2ft strip has 72pcs, bulk-price 25pcs ~250$.

This means, 2 F-Series strips(144 diodes) are brighter as one QB120. 4 F-Series strips(288 diodes) are comparerable to a QB288. And like mentioned above, they use the same connectors. You can connect them in series and parallel without any other connector and if you rather live on the secure side, a secure 24v or 48v parallel circuit is possible with these strips. No lethal voltage!
They only need simple aluminum profiles or a 3mm sheet for the mounting and are thus sufficiently cooled. And if you want, you can drive them with up to 1.4A, which is over 36w and still get 160lm/w.
Or run them really soft at 250mA to squeeze out 200lm/w!
That all together makes them easy to work with and it's hard to find a comparerable product in the same price range.
For wiring I recommend you to visit LEDgardeners website there is da detailed how-to well explained for LED noobs.
Or ask here for help when you have all the parts together and you do not get any further with the construction. Here you will surely find the help you need!

there was a sale on arrow this week ,50 $ off the buy of 150$ +
i got 25 2 feet f stripes for 190.90$ -7.6$ for stripe!! instead of 9.6
got 6 packages of 25 free express shipping worldwide
cant believe i find this sale few hoers befor it was over.
also got 6 hlg320h-c2100a for 59$ a pice and some other drivers as well.crazy sale.
thats it ,im done shopping for a while

 

[InTheValley]

there was a sale on arrow this week ,50 $ off the buy of 150$ +
i got 25 2 feet f stripes for 190.90$ -7.6$ for stripe!! instead of 9.6
got 6 packages of 25 free express shipping worldwide
cant believe i find this sale few hoers befor it was over.
also got 6 hlg320h-c2100a for 59$ a pice and some other drivers as well.crazy sale.
thats it ,im done shopping for a while

nice haul

 

[InTheValley]

Im in the process of building a Strip Light.

Probably only 4.5 l/w, but we'll see. In a 2x2, it should work ok. I just cant pay the money for QBs, so I tryed making one.

All the diodes are -Z bin, so I imagine they only crank out 1-2 lumens each. So, With my calculations, I should be around 1500 total lumens when all said and done.

stay tuned,

 

[InTheValley]

i use those lights and love the hell out of them. my panel is a mix of 3000k and 4000k. i also added 3 wavlengths of uva and 660/720nm diode. You need to mount to either a slate heatink or aluminum U-channel. I used 2" U channel with a 1" leg height. The drivers you get are dimmable by on board switches but at full power you would need a fan across your u-channel to push heat off. The dimmer settings on the drivers are perfect without fans on the heatsink though.
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i like them so much that i bought another 5 pack of 3000k for a slate heatsink i have on hand.

Did you get the far red 730nm yet?
Looks awesome man, I was going to get these too, and they ran out. You bought them all, lol..

 

[psychedelicdaddi]

Did you get the far red 730nm yet?
Looks awesome man, I was going to get these too, and they ran out. You bought them all, lol..

doubled up on the 720nm, they sent me 1w chips, and 3w 660nm chips. So i just paralleled the 20ct 720nm @ 350mA each and put them in series with the 10ct 660nm @ 700mA on one 700mA driver.
It makes for an interesting looking blurple option

 

[MMJ Dreaming 99]

I don't think you'll need 6 QB's. 4 will cut it nicely for a 4x4 area. You can look at the hlg-550 which is 4 quantum boards.
That fixture will replace a 1000w hps pretty well.

You can buy it pre assembled or build it yourself for close to half the cost. Look at getting 2 260w kits and you can play around with spacing.

Are they getting kits back in stock lately? I like the HLG guys but I guess the demand has been really strong. Gettings those kits is almost impossible.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Thanks for the info so far.

Is their much electrical work using the strips? I see some come with a driver so are they just fit to panel and plug in?