SonsOfAvery
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I messed around with a few different connectors before settling on the 222 wagos. Easily the best imo for this kind of building.
Strips or QB?
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nachooo
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Nice buckets...I wonder if using only the new samsung middle power diodes in side lighting would make unnecesary put a cob in the top lid....
psychedelicdaddi
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Yea I browsed some more data sheets after rreading this and on average the 5630 smd run around 100-120lm/w
combustible herbage
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There having a sale I heard October 1 on there stuff at hlg.
psychedelicdaddi
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Highly dope
Enigma
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Lucky Luke
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I wont be ordering anything that soon. More likely around Janury.
Lucky Luke
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be great when they come down to a realistic price, I cannot see one of these flowering a 4 x 4??
Hence the thread.
SonsOfAvery
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I think it'll be fine for veg in a 4x4, but it even says 2x2 for 14" height from canopy.
Like you say price is too much for my liking, I'll be building a frame and using some TCI strips from eBay. And making a light to match this one for half the cost. But obviously I have to make the whole thing from scratch, where as there light already assembled.
InTheValley
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Here are some early numbers from open air, no tent. Hooked to a 360watt regulated PS, Parallel. These are the strips i got for $12 for 10 strips, I put diffuser on, Took diffuser off, Threw in garbage, LOL> Just wanted to throw this out there for peoples interest.
OK, so I just hooked up 1 strip, everything is fine. The lowest I can turn down the P/S is 10.5 volts.
5k strip - 10.5 volts - 8.2 watts-.78 amps
3K strip - 10.5 volts - 6.2 watts-.60 amps
turned to 12.00 volts
5K strip - 12.0 volts- 15.9 watts- 1.34 amps
3K strip - 12.0 volts- 13.3 watts- 1.11 amps
Both on at 10.5 volts
15.2 watts - 1.45 amps 4,400 lux at 12 inches, 141 par
Both on at 12.0 volts
30 watts - 2.5amps 8,000 lux at 12 inches, 220 par
So i take it we are running these soft, so 10.5 volts is the one to go with i presume?
144 watts roughly for all 20 strips at 10.5 volts (13.8 amps)
292 watts roughly for all 20 strips at 12.0 volts (24.5 amps)
( Note: My par meter is DIY, but matched everything Ive tested to other peoples tests) Ex. Mars 300 I got a par of 311, which was also 315 on a review. Mars300 with lenses, I got 1530, Review was 1550. Just wanted to throw that in here, so Im not misguiding on PAR value.
OK, so I just hooked up 1 strip, everything is fine. The lowest I can turn down the P/S is 10.5 volts.
5k strip - 10.5 volts - 8.2 watts-.78 amps
3K strip - 10.5 volts - 6.2 watts-.60 amps
turned to 12.00 volts
5K strip - 12.0 volts- 15.9 watts- 1.34 amps
3K strip - 12.0 volts- 13.3 watts- 1.11 amps
Both on at 10.5 volts
15.2 watts - 1.45 amps 4,400 lux at 12 inches, 141 par
Both on at 12.0 volts
30 watts - 2.5amps 8,000 lux at 12 inches, 220 par
So i take it we are running these soft, so 10.5 volts is the one to go with i presume?
144 watts roughly for all 20 strips at 10.5 volts (13.8 amps)
292 watts roughly for all 20 strips at 12.0 volts (24.5 amps)
( Note: My par meter is DIY, but matched everything Ive tested to other peoples tests) Ex. Mars 300 I got a par of 311, which was also 315 on a review. Mars300 with lenses, I got 1530, Review was 1550. Just wanted to throw that in here, so Im not misguiding on PAR value.
Enigma
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Yea, that would be a stretch. It isn't the fixture, although you could pick up light engine and put a frame together to hold them.
Beisgelux EB Series comes in 1120 mm strips with about 5,000 lumens each. That would cover the 4 x 4 nicely.
Oddly enough, the 4000K would be my choice for vegetation and flower.
Enigma
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It is actually a realistic price for them, you have to realize what you're getting. It may not cover a 4 x 4 but there are plenty of rigs that will, you'll be spending about $1k for a frame and COBs to do it.
nc208
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The price is very realistic. You can build your own version of the HLG 550 for close to 600$. Factor in this light will last 5-10 years. Compare that to a 1000w HPS and calculate your annual bulb replacement cost and you can see LED has a slightly higher upfront cost. But over a couple years you will see the savings.
InTheValley
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well, obviously, QBs are the shit. The grows coming out have been phenomenal, with a few mid flower, and goodness gosh, the frost on these dudes trees is amazing.
When i can afford one, Ill get one, but till then, Im going to roll with these cheap ass strips. These numbers are for 20 strips, 10pc - 5k 10pc 3k,
12.volts 225 watts 17.6 amps
14 inches-- 1270 par--70,000 lux -- 225 watts
26 inches-- 800 par--45,000 lux -- 225 watts
36 inches-- 630 par--32,800 lux --225 watts (680 par @ 255watts) (20amps, meter max)
47 inches-- 500 par-- 20,000 lux --225 watts
10.5 volts 95watts - 8.7 amps
14 inches -- 620 par-- 30,000 lux -- 95 watts
26 inches -- 450 par-- 24,000 lux -- 95 watts
36 inches -- 360 par-- 18,000 lux -- 95 watts
47 inches -- 300 par-- 13,000 lux -- 95 watts
Something else I found odd, maybe someone can shine some light on this for me.
I use a PeaceFair Volt, watt, amp meter, and I also used a Kill-a-watt Meter.
PF- @ 12. volts = 225 watts - 17.6 amps
KW @ 12. volts = 255 watts - 3.19 amps
PF @ 10.5 volts = 95 watts - 9.4 amps
KW @ 10.5 volts = 120 watts - 1.6 amps
So, whats that all about? Big difference in amps.
OK, again, for anyone interested in these numbers, I posted them to help,
When i can afford one, Ill get one, but till then, Im going to roll with these cheap ass strips. These numbers are for 20 strips, 10pc - 5k 10pc 3k,
12.volts 225 watts 17.6 amps
14 inches-- 1270 par--70,000 lux -- 225 watts
26 inches-- 800 par--45,000 lux -- 225 watts
36 inches-- 630 par--32,800 lux --225 watts (680 par @ 255watts) (20amps, meter max)
47 inches-- 500 par-- 20,000 lux --225 watts
10.5 volts 95watts - 8.7 amps
14 inches -- 620 par-- 30,000 lux -- 95 watts
26 inches -- 450 par-- 24,000 lux -- 95 watts
36 inches -- 360 par-- 18,000 lux -- 95 watts
47 inches -- 300 par-- 13,000 lux -- 95 watts
Something else I found odd, maybe someone can shine some light on this for me.
I use a PeaceFair Volt, watt, amp meter, and I also used a Kill-a-watt Meter.
PF- @ 12. volts = 225 watts - 17.6 amps
KW @ 12. volts = 255 watts - 3.19 amps
PF @ 10.5 volts = 95 watts - 9.4 amps
KW @ 10.5 volts = 120 watts - 1.6 amps
So, whats that all about? Big difference in amps.
OK, again, for anyone interested in these numbers, I posted them to help,
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Lucky Luke
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Thats why the strips or QB 120's are so attractive, I can get away with under $300US if using 6 QB120s. Under $200 for 4. I'm not trying to replace a 1000w, its a 600w.
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You can hang the QB as is or on a sheet of aluminium. Either way its cheap and easy no heat sinks or fans required.
I certainly wont be getting rid of my HID rig. Its essential in winter as it would save running a heater, as it is I should be running a heater. Bulb replacement costs are not very much....weird that LED guys are the only ones who bring that up....and a ballast can last decades. But this thread is not a HID VS LED thread, so lets move back to the discussion please.
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nc208
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It is weird that LED guys are the only ones who bring up bulb replacement cost. Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that leds don't need to be replaced every year. Makes sense why mh, t5, hps and cfl don't talk about bulb replacement because it's a given they have to do it.
So when you make comments like LEDs are too expensive but do not regard annual bulb cost into the equation then you are missing one of the biggest benefits to LED.
We aren't talking Ballasts. Talking about bulb replacement lucky Luke.
kony brado
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hi there
I guess the pf is measuring the dc side and the kw is measuring the ac side.
The difference in amps are related to different voltage .
also you have the driver electric consumption in the ac side(kw)
so:
pf @10.1v=95watts/9.4A (9.4A*10.1V=95W)
I dont understand the numbers on the ac side because it leads to you having 75 volts from your plug,maybe the measuring is wrong.
Nether the less :
KW@75 volts =120W/1.6A (75*1.6=120watt) that should be something like 110v *1.09A =120watt
the difference between ac and dc side watts are dew to driver consumption .on the ac 120w and on the dc 95w,
120-95=25watts (driver electric consumption )
25watts for 120watts total is allot of waisted watts,which driver are you using ? it seems to be not very efficient (80%~) .
Hope that helps,and that it make sense .
InTheValley
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Thats awesome man, thanks for your time. Makes alot of sense now for sure. The KW does say 110volts, I learned alot just now,hi there
I guess the pf is measuring the dc side and the kw is measuring the ac side.
The difference in amps are related to different voltage .
also you have the driver electric consumption in the ac side(kw)
so:
pf @10.1v=95watts/9.4A (9.4A*10.1V=95W)
I dont understand the numbers on the ac side because it leads to you having 75 volts from your plug,maybe the measuring is wrong.
Nether the less :
KW@75 volts =120W/1.6A (75*1.6=120watt) that should be something like 110v *1.09A =120watt
the difference between ac and dc side watts are dew to driver consumption .on the ac 120w and on the dc 95w,
120-95=25watts (driver electric consumption )
25watts for 120watts total is allot of waisted watts,which driver are you using ? it seems to be not very efficient (80%~) .
Hope that helps,and that it make sense .
Like I said, I have like $150 in this build, and that includes the GrowMau Puck. I have a friend that works in the metal industry, and will probably make my case for the lights. I asked him for aluminum, he asked for sketches. lol.. wouldnt surprise me he shows up with a encasement for these strips. Not alot of heat. I had them on a wood table, and the table barly got warm. Of course, they are in aluminum extrusions also. I could make the case out of wood, lol..
Im using the $16 ebay 360watt PS, 30amps. But plan on upgrading to Meanwell in the near future.
kony brado
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don't worry to much about the driver , no big difference if you don't consume tons of electricity .with a meanwell you will save only 20 watts or so for that 120w total ,the difference is the reliability of the driver(which is pretty important but not urgent if it's a new driver) .