SIP thread -- (Sub-Irrigated Planter)

[Lightgreen2k]

I ran your tray thru a gallon calcuator and ya 34 gallons , if you leave the 1 inch air gap you still get 24 gallons , what i am thinking is you are going to want more wicks at 4x4 tray like 4 in the corner and at least one center and something to hold up all the weight of the soil

weight of the soil
I have 5 netpots. See this is really it. Im going to a laser frabric cutter in town. I kmow I know all the do it yourselfers would cut it them selves but I want everything exact once.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Im thinking since this is a frabrication company I could get them to line mine net pots with some Unsed smartpots I have. only would take hmm 2 or 3 1 gallon pot sizes.

Any thoughts. Im doing this tomorrow.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Im thiking about using 2-3 of smart pots and lining the net pots. that way they will wick up water to the planter.. If not line I will be using growstones. THEY have worked for me. I just want more thoughts on this.

 

[hyroot]

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Im thiking about using 2-3 of smart pots and lining the net pots. that way they will wick up water to the planter.. If not line I will be using growstones. THEY have worked for me. I just want more thoughts on this.

Ive been runnung fabric pot sips for over a year now. I'm the one that introduced sips to this forum a couple years ago.

Anyway I line my net pot with weed mat and use a 50 / 50 mix of pumice and coco for the wicking medium. It works really well. It prevents over saturation of soil from occuring . As opposed to using only coco and no weed mat lining.

The roots do grow through the weed mat into the resi.

You don't want to go smaller than 10 gallons for fabric pot sips. Wider is better when it comes to all sip builds.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Ive been runnung fabric pot sips for over a year now. I'm the one that introduced sips to this forum a couple years ago.

Anyway I line my net pot with weed mat and use a 50 / 50 mix of pumice and coco for the wicking medium. It works really well. It prevents over saturation of soil from occuring . As opposed to using only coco and no weed mat lining.

The roots do grow through the weed mat into the resi.

You don't want to go smaller than 10 gallons for fabric pot sips. Wider is better when it comes to all sip builds.

with the fabric in the water most of the time, will.it go bad? I want to turn this into a no till planter..

So the mesh pots will constantly be in water

 

[hyroot]

with the fabric in the water most of the time, will.it go bad? I want to turn this into a no till planter..

So the mesh pots will constantly be in water

Yes the mesh pots will be in the water. Running no till with knf / jadam practices is the only method to use with sips.

Theres 2 methods of keeping the water good.

1. Air stones. Adding dissolved oxygen to the water prevents pathogens from developing. Roots grow much larger and faster. Really the only benefit.

2. Add a splash of labs or em1. Lacto bacillus will outcompete pathogens. Even if the water does go bad. You can add a splash of labs or em1 and it will kill off any harmful pathogens.

# 2 is what I do. I ran air stones for about a year. Then a pump died in the 3rd week of flower on 2 plants. I was too broke to buy another one right away. I added a splash of labs everytime I refilled the resi. The roots didn't grow as much. But the yield and terpene profile increased quite a bit. I even ended up getting football size tops on a mendo breath f3. Afterwards i removed all pumps and air stones from all the sips. My room has been much quieter.

Also make sure there is an air gap between the water line and the planter.

 

[hyroot]

Here is a thread on everything organic that I started last night

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Yes the mesh pots will be in the water. Running no till with knf / jadam practices is the only method to use with sips.

Theres 2 methods of keeping the water good.

1. Air stones. Adding dissolved oxygen to the water prevents pathogens from developing. Roots grow much larger and faster. Really the only benefit.

2. Add a splash of labs or em1. Lacto bacillus will outcompete pathogens. Even if the water does go bad. You can add a splash of labs or em1 and it will kill off any harmful pathogens.

# 2 is what I do. I ran air stones for about a year. Then a pump died in the 3rd week of flower on 2 plants. I was too broke to buy another one right away. I added a splash of labs everytime I refilled the resi. The roots didn't grow as much. But the yield and terpene profile increased quite a bit. I even ended up getting football size tops on a mendo breath f3. Afterwards i removed all pumps and air stones from all the sips. My room has been much quieter.

Also make sure there is an air gap between the water line and the planter.

I plant to have another pvc pipe cut at about 20 - 24 inches in the left back coner for air to get to the res..

My feeding tube will be in the right coner.

Netpots (4) at 24 inches in per side and one in the center.

My question to you is will the material.of the netpots go bad in the water. I mean there smart pots and plants get watered in them, but not continueously for 24hrs.

Btw.. the res will be filled with growstones. Its used to replace hydroton and wicks up. That will support the weight of the Planter. I made my planter slightly bigger then the flood tray, so it could sit on it like a table
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[hyroot]

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I plant to have another pvc pipe cut at about 20 - 24 inches in the left back coner for air to get to the res..

My feeding tube will be in the right coner.

Netpots (4) at 24 inches in per side and one in the center.

My question to you is will the material.of the netpots go bad in the water. I mean there smart pots and plants get watered in them, but not continueously for 24hrs.​

I see you are doing Jeremy Silva's (owner of build a soil) sip design incorporating Soma's soil bed design. No the fabric will not go bad. without net pots you must keep the tray full so water can wick up in the center. You can add net pots though. Then you wouldn't need to keep it full. Jeremy doesn't use net pots in his design. he fills up the tray with grow stones to help wick water up. lava rock or river rock will work too. Then Also add pvc to each corner so oxygen can get to the tray below

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Here is a thread on everything organic that I started last night

Thanks

I only have time to hit the ground running persay.
dragonfly earth medicine has a great veganic line. Rootwise is good for microbes an mycorrhizae and a there are a couple of good compost tea companies out their. People may say they make great stuff. Sure fine however much of these things have been sourced.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

I see you are doing Jeremy Silva's (owner of build a soil) sip design incorporating Soma's soil bed design. No the fabric will not go bad. without net pots you must keep the tray full so water can wick up in the center. You can add net pots though. Then you wouldn't need to keep it full. Jeremy doesn't use net pots in his design. he fills up the tray with grow stones to help wick water up. lava rock or river rock will work too. Then Also add pvc to each corner so oxygen can get to the tray below

I have a gap water line remember.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

I see you are doing Jeremy Silva's (owner of build a soil) sip design incorporating Soma's soil bed design. No the fabric will not go bad. without net pots you must keep the tray full so water can wick up in the center. You can add net pots though. Then you wouldn't need to keep it full. Jeremy doesn't use net pots in his design. he fills up the tray with grow stones to help wick water up. lava rock or river rock will work too. Then Also add pvc to each corner so oxygen can get to the tray below

Anything else you might think of. I dont want the netpots to come out or be "pushed" out because of the weight of the soil in the planter. I think the stones in the bottom of the tray will support it. Plus they do wick.

 

[hyroot]

Anything else you might think of. I dont want the netpots to come out or be "pushed" out because of the weight of the soil in the planter. I think the stones in the bottom of the tray will support it. Plus they do wick.

Yes grow stones will wick. Yes they will support the weight. If the tray was empty you could make a pvc frame to support the weight. That's what I do in my octo pot style sips. The grow stone method has been working pretty good for Jeremy

 

[hyroot]

Thanks

I only have time to hit the ground running persay.
dragonfly earth medicine has a great veganic line. Rootwise is good for microbes an mycorrhizae and a there are a couple of good compost tea companies out their. People may say they make great stuff. Sure fine however much of these things have been sourced.

The whole point of no till and knf aside from being organic is to use whats around you ( sustainable practices). DEM uses a lot of fillers in their nutrient line. Results are not the greatest. Rootwise is good for their phos solubilzer microbes. You definitely need more microbes than that provides. You want your soil to be 33% worm castings. KNF / jadam ferments will only improve your terps (brix levels) and yield and make plants more pest resistant. Then you have the best of both worlds aerobic and anaerobic beneficial microbes. Not just the facultative microbes.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Yes grow stones will wick. Yes they will support the weight. If the tray was empty you could make a pvc frame to support the weight. That's what I do in my octo pot style sips. The grow stone method has been working pretty good for Jeremy

I speak with Jeremy. I have always watching this thread. I have and idea of how earthboxes and growboxes work, hempy buckets work.

a pvc frame sounds good..

I wonder what the bouyancy will be with the water and growstones.

How will this effect the netpots.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

The whole point of no till and knf aside from being organic is to use whats around you ( sustainable practices). DEM uses a lot of fillers in their nutrient line. Results are not the greatest. Rootwise is good for their phos solubilzer microbes. You definitely need more microbes than that provides. You want your soil to be 33% worm castings. KNF / jadam ferments will only improve your terps (brix levels) and yield and make plants more pest resistant. Then you have the best of both worlds aerobic and anaerobic beneficial microbes. Not just the facultative microbes.

what fillers.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

what fillers.

@hyroot



As stated I have been working with a few companies. everything is not stated. Got to leave somethings out

 

[hyroot]

what fillers.

leaves mostly

 

[Lightgreen2k]

leaves mostly

your mix

per cubic foot
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup crab shell meal
1/4 cup ahimsa indian neem cake
1/4 cup karanja cake
1/2 cup malted barley seed
2 cups basalt rock dust
2 cups gypsum rock dust
1/2 cup em1 bokashi or grok

How do you "know" what or how they mix it at or even at what ratios.

Anyhow this is not about that.

 

[hyroot]

your mix

per cubic foot
1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup crab shell meal
1/4 cup ahimsa indian neem cake
1/4 cup karanja cake
1/2 cup malted barley seed
2 cups basalt rock dust
2 cups gypsum rock dust
1/2 cup em1 bokashi or grok

How do you "know" what or how they mix it at or even at what ratios.

Anyhow this is not about that.

Well I learned about No Till directly from Clackamas coots, Envocation ( formerly head treep) and Mountain Organics. Plus trial and error. For a while i was using 3/4 cup of crab shell meal per cubic foot. Then went back to 1/2 a cup of crab shell when I added karanja meal to the mix. For a short time I even used fish bone meal too. I've been running no till with variations of this mix for 7 years now. I have 2 batches of soil. . 1 is over 8 years old and the other is 3 years old. I was even recycling my soil for a couple years before I even knew about no till. I've been doing probiotics for a little over 2 years now. Probiotics is no till in conjunction with korean natural farming and jadam natural farming.

Trial and error is the best teacher when it comes to growing.

This soil recipe above minus the liming, karanja and barley is coots original recipe.