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Top_-_Bunna

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Kingrow1 said:
Its not a current thread and your view on hermies is wrong as well......
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If you could kinggrow tell me what my view on Hermies is because as far as I can see (having read back through) I have said nothing about hermies or my views... also the amount of misinformation here is ridiculous and you guys are all showing off in front of newbies, not actually helping them or supplying correct and proven knowledge. I am not getting into who has a bigger dick match, just stating for all beginners this information is not the best. thank you best of luck finding reliable sources in future
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Top_-_Bunna said:
If you could kinggrow tell me what my view on Hermies is because as far as I can see (having read back through) I have said nothing about hermies or my views... also the amount of misinformation here is ridiculous and you guys are all showing off in front of newbies, not actually helping them or supplying correct and proven knowledge. I am not getting into who has a bigger dick match, just stating for all beginners this information is not the best. thank you best of luck finding reliable sources in future
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I can give you the right info on hermies if thats what you require, it has always been a privilege to share. Unfortunately these boards are more social that hard info so dont worry who says what or whether someones right or wrong, the facts are there but it take a bit of sifting and grow trial and error to work them out.
 
newgrow16

newgrow16

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Jimmy Sparkle said:
Hermaphrotism is a genetic issue from when and how the seed was made. I disagree on environmental factors. Seed breeders are getting lazy and greedy and are not putting out a premium product but they sure will charge a premium price... I may be wrong, but I sure would like to see a report on how environment / stress affects sex and hermaphroditsm. An actual report from a agriculture extension or state college.... Not urban legend.
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I have been able to turn good genetics into hermaphrodite, heat and humidity stress then flip the light cycle, turn night into day. Flipped 7 of 10 plants to hermaphrodite. Just my personal legend!
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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newgrow16 said:
I have been able to turn good genetics into hermaphrodite, heat and humidity stress then flip the light cycle, turn night into day. Flipped 7 of 10 plants to hermaphrodite. Just my personal legend!
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I see a loose correlation between certain abiotic stresses and hermies but past us growers this is one damn usefull trait to have for the bad years in the wild. Rain and water make pollen unable to drift on the air and dried pollen from heat is useless, studies have suggested that the plant picked this trait up a very long time ago and it is now hardwired into every plants genetics. What better way to make seed when all else fails but to produce the pollen right onto the female pistils, sometimes in nature if you shorten the distance you increase the chance of survival.

Genetics, thing is that when you add up all the different strains, threads and posts on here where this problem has manifested itself upon a growers plant/plants...... you kind of come to the learned conclusion that most people are talking shit and that all plants carry the gene to do this funky mixed up bi gender reassignment gay lesbian hermie love thing. That combined with the fact that most wild populations have been doing this in the wild waaaay before us stoners came along is a far more plausible explanation than some genetics rubbish that no one can make sense of.

It may suprise some (those that shout about mutants and mutations) that marijuana has a very rock steady mutation resistant set of genetics, science describes her as being resistant to change but loving of diversity - pretty much what you have in reality, a plant that loves to breed with all strains but resists mutating, In the wild again this is a really usefull trait to ensure survival of your genetics and keep them unpolluted or degraded.

So if your a cheap ass and want to know if breeding hermie seeds is a green light for go, then yes thats cool, many a fine plant has come from self pollinated seed, again this is thanks to those solid genetics i mentioned above. Hermies are used in some breeding programs in the weed and non weed plant world. I would point out that if the plant hermied in the first place then its not the seeds which made it hermie so dont expect any less unless you refine some details. I use to grow my own hermie seed, i got better and i got less and was forced to buy, i grow others hermie seed (when broke) quite often the plant dosent hermie or very little compared to the original grower who landed me with a handful.

Its going to take a little work on the growers part, certain strains will do better, others worse. Again were looking for those genetics that suit us best not the next craze thats sweeping the seed world, find a strain that you like and that likes you back and work with that whilst trying the odd other. Swapping and changing strains every grow imo makes it a little harder for the new grower, pick something simple and easy not whats pushing the boundaries of thc and cbd, try a few and stick with what grows best till you have some grows down. Anyone with cash flow is probably better off using seedbanks, a more uniform reliable product.

Often ive found that slight herms on plants produce very few seeds, not like im picking them out of everything but more localized patches around the male ball or banana. I dont cull these plants or separate but simply pluck the pollen sacs off as best as i can find them. I'd prefer a few seeds if it gives me a bigger yeild and whats to say that all the plants dont herm late on and i was fucked anyway, its a pain but i try to keep any herms in the grow tent because hopefully it wont be too bad and its a pain to loose the yeild from each plant (herms produce just as big potent buds mainly). On a side note, it use to be said here that the main reason herm weed was less potent was because the female calyx had trichs on the inside and out but that the seed inhibited the inner trichs from growing and thus the calyxs were slightly less potent. I think there is a more modern explanation and that this is kinda rubbish but thats how i was told years ago.

A lot of the science and studies are speculative, there is no evidence and they havent discovered the genetics for what makes weed herm, this is just a plausible theory but has received a small bit of attention and study over the years as well as how wild populations interact and function. Overall this plant is quite remarkable, it employs sexual and other stress reactions to ensure it has the best possible chance of survival in the wild, one might say its had a hard life.......
 
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I'mBatman

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Kingrow1 said:
I see a loose correlation between certain abiotic stresses and hermies but past us growers this is one damn usefull trait to have for the bad years in the wild. Rain and water make pollen unable to drift on the air and dried pollen from heat is useless, studies have suggested that the plant picked this trait up a very long time ago and it is now hardwired into every plants genetics. What better way to make seed when all else fails but to produce the pollen right onto the female pistils, sometimes in nature if you shorten the distance you increase the chance of survival.

Genetics, thing is that when you add up all the different strains, threads and posts on here where this problem has manifested itself upon a growers plant/plants...... you kind of come to the learned conclusion that most people are talking shit and that all plants carry the gene to do this funky mixed up bi gender reassignment gay lesbian hermie love thing. That combined with the fact that most wild populations have been doing this in the wild waaaay before us stoners came along is a far more plausible explanation than some genetics rubbish that no one can make sense of.

It may suprise some (those that shout about mutants and mutations) that marijuana has a very rock steady mutation resistant set of genetics, science describes her as being resistant to change but loving of diversity - pretty much what you have in reality, a plant that loves to breed with all strains but resists mutating, In the wild again this is a really usefull trait to ensure survival of your genetics and keep them unpolluted or degraded.

So if your a cheap ass and want to know if breeding hermie seeds is a green light for go, then yes thats cool, many a fine plant has come from self pollinated seed, again this is thanks to those solid genetics i mentioned above. Hermies are used in some breeding programs in the weed and non weed plant world. I would point out that if the plant hermied in the first place then its not the seeds which made it hermie so dont expect any less unless you refine some details. I use to grow my own hermie seed, i got better and i got less and was forced to buy, i grow others hermie seed (when broke) quite often the plant dosent hermie or very little compared to the original grower who landed me with a handful.

Its going to take a little work on the growers part, certain strains will do better, others worse. Again were looking for those genetics that suit us best not the next craze thats sweeping the seed world, find a strain that you like and that likes you back and work with that whilst trying the odd other. Swapping and changing strains every grow imo makes it a little harder for the new grower, pick something simple and easy not whats pushing the boundaries of thc and cbd, try a few and stick with what grows best till you have some grows down. Anyone with cash flow is probably better off using seedbanks, a more uniform reliable product.

Often ive found that slight herms on plants produce very few seeds, not like im picking them out of everything but more localized patches around the male ball or banana. I dont cull these plants or separate but simply pluck the pollen sacs off as best as i can find them. I'd prefer a few seeds if it gives me a bigger yeild and whats to say that all the plants dont herm late on and i was fucked anyway, its a pain but i try to keep any herms in the grow tent because hopefully it wont be too bad and its a pain to loose the yeild from each plant (herms produce just as big potent buds mainly). On a side note, it use to be said here that the main reason herm weed was less potent was because the female calyx had trichs on the inside and out but that the seed inhibited the inner trichs from growing and thus the calyxs were slightly less potent. I think there is a more modern explanation and that this is kinda rubbish but thats how i was told years ago.

A lot of the science and studies are speculative, there is no evidence and they havent discovered the genetics for what makes weed herm, this is just a plausible theory but has received a small bit of attention and study over the years as well as how wild populations interact and function. Overall this plant is quite remarkable, it employs sexual and other stress reactions to ensure it has the best possible chance of survival in the wild, one might say its had a hard life.......
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Well thought out and said.
 
Kingrow1

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I'mBatman said:
Well thought out and said.
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Upto now i believe the science ends at a point where they think that a protein that acts independent to the sex chromosomes causes the plant to produce both male and female parts but that protein is too small at this point to be found and that the chemical pathways and signals are far more complex than they first thought. As i said, a total and utter mystery, one can only guess.

Ive seen it said that marijuana has one of the most complex sexual genetics as plant kingdom genetics go, certainly far more complex than most.

I havent checked recently but a few companies like Sensi and Dp always wrote on their seed site that this can happen and that it is linked to the environment etc etc, kind of like a disclaimer in a way, certainly they must have some first hand experience of it at some point too.

Copy Paste "Hermaphroditic individuals can reproduce through both seeds and pollen. However, a small fraction of plant species display a phenomenon known as gynodioecy. Ingynodioecious species, both hermaphroditic and functionally female individuals can be found in the same population" This describes a few species and a few different sexual genetic ways of achieving the same thing, some support this but it seems similar, possibly plausible in some small way (pointing out that weed suffers few of the genetic hurdles most species fail at).

My own disclaimer is that i have yet to hear a better explanation but really... idk work with it till you own it like all complex stuff annoying crap in life :-)
 
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TubbyT420

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Been reading up on hermies through this thread and have learned a lot, but still unsure. Or at least not ready to admit the truth.

Please check out my pics, can't tell as I have seen some of these balls later grow hairs. Would rather be safe since this is my first grow.

Thanks all!
 

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TubbyT420 said:
Been reading up on hermies through this thread and have learned a lot, but still unsure. Or at least not ready to admit the truth.

Please check out my pics, can't tell as I have seen some of these balls later grow hairs. Would rather be safe since this is my first grow.

Thanks all!
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Safe from what.... a few seeds, who gives a shit really just grow her and whatever you get is called mother nature... :-)
 
I'mBatman

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TubbyT420 said:
Been reading up on hermies through this thread and have learned a lot, but still unsure. Or at least not ready to admit the truth.

Please check out my pics, can't tell as I have seen some of these balls later grow hairs. Would rather be safe since this is my first grow.

Thanks all!
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Looks like seeds
 
newgrow16

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Blue Orca Haze three weeks 12/12, female flowers all over. Regular seeds from breeder up north. Who knows, hot soil and a little warmth, but close inspection tonight and I found two male flower ball sacks open, only two could I find. oh well, new strain boh and cherry bomb.
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