So, whose head is 1st on the chopping block?
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Unclebaldrick
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Sounds like a good day to monitor Fox Radio. Limbaugh should be illuminating. Hannity will make me wretch.
Justin-case
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Kevin spacey ,lmao!
Huckster79
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Yea i should give rush a listen to today just to hear it but gawd i have a tough time even listening to his voice
Unclebaldrick
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The opiates help. In fact sometimes I will take them too.
Unclebaldrick
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Conspiracy against the United States. New Trump campaign slogan?
Unclebaldrick
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Have they shown this yet? It's dynamite. Political dynamite.
Flaming Lie was up late retweeting about Kevin Spacey. Lol.
Jimdamick
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Justin-case
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Im no lawyer, but Conspiracy against the united states doesn't sound good. Further, Trump's former foreign advisor, Papadopoulos, appears to be talking after lying about, wait for it... Russia!
Unclebaldrick
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lol
Every federal indictment has a conspiracy charge on it. Its the one they'll nail you for if the others fizzle, difficult to disprove. Anyway, they'll be a plea deal in about 9 months to a year and this will be forgotten. Sort of like Martha Stewart. She's still a felon, but who cares?
The important thing here is there isn't one campaign related charge. Why would he rat or bring up collusion? It's not relevant to the scope of the indictment. After a year this is the best Mueller could do? What a waste of time.
The important thing here is there isn't one campaign related charge. Why would he rat or bring up collusion? It's not relevant to the scope of the indictment. After a year this is the best Mueller could do? What a waste of time.
greg nr
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Watch for the chyron that reads "...Mannafort, former Clinton campaign chief, indicted"....
They do that chit all the time.
This is a financial focus. There is also a collusion focus, but the financial crimes are easier to document and prove. The early indictments are an attempt to flip holdouts into telling more about the collusion track.
This is the same protocol they use when prosecuting the mafia and RICO targets. Start at the bottom, focus on crimes you can prove, and squeeze blood from the stones.
They need to convince the indicted that they are are beyond the reach of a presidential pardon, or they will get squat. Which will be very difficult to do however. Mannafort has already been threatened. He knows trump will attack him with the full power and force of the doj and executive branch. He also knows trump will pardon him. It just depends on how good his memory is as to what happens.
Fogdog
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I was responding to oled who said we should not try to investigate Trump because it was too difficult to get a satisfactory conclusion. I don't know how you read what I said as something about avoiding conflict between the two factions of the Democratic Party.
That said, I disagree that responding to falsehoods propagated by some Sanders supporters is something to be avoided. It is fact that without counter argument, a lie often repeated gains credibility.
So, when our Berntards go off about how Democrats are to blame for what Republicans have done, I'm going to verbally abuse them. I don't have any illusions that I'm going to convince them, I'm just opposing the spread of what is basically right wing propaganda by weak minded liberals.
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Fogdog
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why do you hate men?
Fogdog
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LOL "this will be forgotten in a few months". Just like Watergate. LOL
It's called an indictment, a formal charge of a serious crime. The indictment gives law enforcement more leverage, both in terms of access to the perp and his records and to turn the criminal into a witness against higher ups. Manafort is rotten to the core but I bet he sings well.
Separate from the Manafort indictment, George Papadopoulos, a former foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, pleaded guilty earlier this month to making false statements to FBI agents, according to the office of the US special prosecutor Bob Mueller.
The indictment, which was unsealed on Monday, says that Papadopoulos lied about his contacts with an influential “overseas professor” who had “substantial connections to Russian government officials”. The professor, according to the statement, told Papadopoulos that he had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails”.
Papadopoulos had told agents repeatedly that he learned of this information before becoming involved with the Trump campaign. In fact, he met with the professor days after becoming a campaign adviser.
He also initially told investigators that the professor was a “nothing” and just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something” when in truth he understood that the professor had “substantial connections to Russian government officials,” the document says.
That document can be found here.
The indictment, which was unsealed on Monday, says that Papadopoulos lied about his contacts with an influential “overseas professor” who had “substantial connections to Russian government officials”. The professor, according to the statement, told Papadopoulos that he had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails”.
Papadopoulos had told agents repeatedly that he learned of this information before becoming involved with the Trump campaign. In fact, he met with the professor days after becoming a campaign adviser.
He also initially told investigators that the professor was a “nothing” and just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something” when in truth he understood that the professor had “substantial connections to Russian government officials,” the document says.
That document can be found here.
