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T-Time

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Very nice setup! If the top is more developed it could be due to higher temps in top of the tent leading to higher rate of metabolism.
Yep, was thinking the same thing. I'll check the temp difference today.

this is so cool!
Tkanks mate. I actually started reading Your Secret Garden thread yesterday :) Amazing work and beautifull photos.
Will be getting a new camera soon so hope to bump the quality of mine soon.


I'm bummed a bit that the plants didn't fill all the vert space. About 1/4 or even 1/3 wont be used :( . Next time I'll try to put 8 plants in maybe in smaller pots as I dont think those got fully filled with roots. At least it doesn't look like that when I stick my finger in the top of the pot.
Next size down for air pots is 12,5L , would that be big enough for 3-4 weeks veg ?
 

Rocket Soul

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Yep, was thinking the same thing. I'll check the temp difference today.


Tkanks mate. I actually started reading Your Secret Garden thread yesterday :) Amazing work and beautifull photos.
Will be getting a new camera soon so hope to bump the quality of mine soon.


I'm bummed a bit that the plants didn't fill all the vert space. About 1/4 or even 1/3 wont be used :( . Next time I'll try to put 8 plants in maybe in smaller pots as I dont think those got fully filled with roots. At least it doesn't look like that when I stick my finger in the top of the pot.
Next size down for air pots is 12,5L , would that be big enough for 3-4 weeks veg ?
So if i get your setup right, its all side lighting? I checked fotos but im not completly sure
 

Rocket Soul

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All side lighting. 2 bars in the middle are straight and the outside ones (top and bottom) tilted in about 30*+ .

Just measured the temp difference of top and bottom. Came out only 0.5*C

I had another look at the first few pics and now i get it: its front lighting. Thought the bars where part of the shelves at first. Very nice setup. I thought of doing something similar with the qb120s as they give very diffused light.
 

T-Time

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Update time :)


Day 30 from flip.

It is cold ! Winter starting to settle in here. Only 22*C in the tent :shock:
New pump for the light arrived today so I've changed that. The reason for it was that old one (Jecod DCTS3000) had a controller which not always fliped the pump on when the light started. I had to do it manually in the evening and morning. Very annoying!!! :cuss: I've purchased Jecod AC2500. Very similar pump (low wattage) but without the stupid controller. Don't ever buy anything with the remote for the tent. K.I.S.S. . Simple works :)
One of the plants started to show some slight deficiencies, but I got it all sorted. Flushed the pot and changed res.

There was tiniest tip burns on all the plants so I've lowered PPM to 1350 and PH sits @5.9
Ladies started to showing lil bit of frost. Will have to do some leave trimming to allow for air flow in that jungle.

Couple snaps from today.
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Anyone using LUX meter app ?
LUX / 69 = PPFD ?

If so , mine sits somewhere @725 PPFD when set up @630W . Still plenty left to crank it up but with that carbon filter inside it's burning the plants. I'm thinking to make an extension above the tent just for the CF and radiator to make more space inside.
Unless someone knows a good tent with approx diamensions 1500x800x2000+ ?? Secret Jardin has one model that is 1500x900x2000 and that would give me 10cm extra space but I am still on a look out for better solution.
 

T-Time

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Mate, they look great. Wish I could help with the tent. I've just bought a couple of Gorillas - which are up to 2400mm tall with included extenders - but I can't see any in the size you want: https://www.gorillagrowtent.com/collections/the-original-gorilla-grow-tent

Can you not put the filter outside the tent?
Thanks mate :)

Thats what I'm planning. To do an sort of extension above the tent just for the filter and radiator box.

Did some leave cleaning and branch rearranging today. This way was able to have more flat plane and further away from the lights. By doing this I was able to bump the light to 800W and temperature to 25.5*C . Perfecto!
Will monitor for the any leave burn and bleaching. I'm shooting for flat and relaxed leaves, not in praying pose.
Love the dimming option :bigjoint:

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dannykay

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Mate, your setup is insane, that's some super slick spacecraft you've got there, and seems that the plants are loving it, great job.

Any chance that you have a link to the multimeter display that you connected there? I can't seem to find online one that supports more than 100v.

Oh, and your water cooling rig got me excited for a new project :)

Best of luck
 

T-Time

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Mate, your setup is insane, that's some super slick spacecraft you've got there, and seems that the plants are loving it, great job.

Any chance that you have a link to the multimeter display that you connected there? I can't seem to find online one that supports more than 100v.



Oh, and your water cooling rig got me excited for a new project :)

Best of luck

Thanks Brother.

For display type that on ebay:
AC 80-260V LCD Digital 20A Volt
Mine is connected to line IN. Theres no cheap ones that can handle 480V on line out.
 

PDX Joe

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I was also wondering about this system. It looks like a hybrid NFT/SIP system using NFT channel to recirculate a nutrient solution under the bottom of the pots which waters the soil using capillary action, whilst any roots that grow through the bottom of the pots into the channels would be nutrient film fed. The drying action of the air pots is what draws the nutrient solution up from the bottom.

I may have the wrong idea, but if it is what I think it is, then my main advice - because I've experimented with hybrid soil/hydro systems in the past - would be to ditch the soil and use straight coco with an organic-based nutrient solution. The main reason is because it's hard to balance the nutrient solution when the soil in the pots also contains nutrients.

A wise many once told me "Never underestimate the nutritional value of soil".

Another reason is that soil can fall into the nutrient channels and eventually foul your lines or pump (though this can happen with coco, as well - ask me how I know!). The soil that falls in can also upset the nutrient balance in the reservoir.

Now, both these issues can be managed if you keep an eye on things, but one final thing you need to remember is that SIP systems - especially nutrient-fed systems (as opposed to plain water) - are very prone to salt build-up/nutrient toxicity. What happens is, the nutrient solution gets sucked up through the pots through capillary action and then dries out, leaving any unused salts suspended in the soil/medium. Your plants will continue to feed, but the nutrients they don't use will continue to build up in the pots.

This is a gradual process that is not apparent at first, until you start to see a salt build-up on the surface of the pots, or your plants show signs of toxicity.

A very good example of this in nature is the type of salinity you see around farmlands where trees have been cut down and the water table rises, bringing salt and nutrients to the surface, where the water dries out leaving the salts to toxify the surrounding soil.

With a top-fed system - drip-fed soil, coco or recirculating hydro etc - there is no nutrient build-up, because each watering action flushes the pots (well, there is a small amount of build-up, but that's for another discussion). So the solution to your system's potential problem is to ensure you flush your pots regularly with plain water from the top, and change you nutrient solution regularly (just like you do in DWC and other water cultures).

If there is something I've missed, then please allow me to apologise in advance. But here's an idea: if you want to continue growing with soil - or even organic coco - you could run a drip-feed or timed irrigation system to the top of the pots, fed by a reservoir, and use the NFT channel to collect and drain the waste - effectively turning it into a run-to-waste (RTW) system.

Contrary to popular belief, a good RTW system will use less nutrient solution than recirculating hydro and is much more reliable and vastly easier to control nutrient levels - because your plants get fed a fresh batch of correctly balanced nutrients each watering, whilst the waste nutrient is flushed away.

Just my 2c based on lots of years of growing many different ways . . .
Yes, indeed. I had this problem with a wicking system and hydro. I like SIPs with plain water for this reason.
 
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PDX Joe

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Drawing air through it.
Air is going outside the tent, into the wall and out the room. Unfortunatelly not in a straight line. About two 90* bends and one about 150* but I can't do much about it
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The other thing I found annoying trying the TD Silent inline fans is they don't draw air like the centrifugal fans, especially when using a carbon filter. Centrifugal fans also do better than the inlines when you have bends in the ductwork.
 

VegasWinner

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nice setup. outside the box ideas are great. ladies are looking good.
You could duct from air filter to radiator outside tent on with water connections and such back to res and filter could stay inside tent fan outside.
peace
 

T-Time

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The other thing I found annoying trying the TD Silent inline fans is they don't draw air like the centrifugal fans, especially when using a carbon filter. Centrifugal fans also do better than the inlines when you have bends in the ductwork.
They are most likely better but definitely louder. TD is staying. It stall have more then enough power to suck the air out even with all the ducting not in straight line. Far from it really.

nice setup. outside the box ideas are great. ladies are looking good.
You could duct from air filter to radiator outside tent on with water connections and such back to res and filter could stay inside tent fan outside.
peace
Thanks mate.
You lost me there a lil bit. Fan is already outside.
 

T-Time

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One had nothing inside other one had white seed.
So I shouldn't be worried about it ?
Its the second time I'm seeing it. First time was hermie possitive.
 
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