Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

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keepsake

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hyroot said:
I topdress bokashi (imo) every 2 weeks in veg and flower. Once the mycelium mat develops. I topdress castings or compost
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Do you mulch on top of the castings or compost that you put over the mycelium mat?

Also:

So I'm coming up on my first harvest ever. This tent has been grown with bottled nutes, my other tents are being grown in organic living soil. I ditched the bottles after 1 grow lol.. my first grow ever.
Anyways, I need some advice on how to chop and hang to dry. Do I just chop each main branch with its entire cola, trim the big non sugar leaves, and hang upside down?
I plan to hang it in the tent it was grown in without the lights on so the temps will be about 68F. Turn on a small fan in there and humidifier to get it up to 60% RH.
How's that sound?
 
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hyroot

hyroot

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keepsake said:
Do you mulch on top of the castings or compost that you put over the mycelium mat?

Also:

So I'm coming up on my first harvest ever. This tent has been grown with bottled nutes, my other tents are being grown in organic living soil. I ditched the bottles after 1 grow lol.. my first grow ever.
Anyways, I need some advice on how to chop and hang to dry. Do I just chop each main branch with its entire cola, trim the big non sugar leaves, and hang upside down?
I plan to hang it in the tent it was grown in without the lights on so the temps will be about 68F. Turn on a small fan in there and humidifier to get it up to 60% RH.
How's that sound?
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Yes I mulch in top.

Chopping - I chop the water leaves then hang. Sometimes i fresh trim too. If I want to make some fresh frozen bubble with the trim. It tales a little longer cure time with fresh trim for the chlorophyll to break down. When I have to chop a whole room and i don't have any help I dry trim. Either way the water leaves come off prior to hanging

I hang for about 5-7 days at 70-75 degrees. Then cure with 72% boveda packs in the jars and only birp jars once a week.

68 is fine. You want lower humidity when drying. 30% or lower. Humidity degrades trichomes while their drying.

60% rh is good for while they're growing if the ambient temp is around 80.

. I would like a dedicated room for drying so I can lower the temp to 40-50 degrees and slow dry for a month.
 
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Tyleb173rd

Tyleb173rd

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Have any of you guys made your own BioChar? I’ve got yard work tomorrow and it involves wood and burning just not in the same chore. My understanding is I can dig a hole in my outdoor veggie garden, put some dried wood (sticks, pine cones?) in there and fire it up. Once it’s smoked out it’s then covered in soil and drenched in water.

Am I close?
 
RandomHero8913

RandomHero8913

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I've seen people make small batches using paint cans and rice hulls, for larger wood products the most common source is buying a bag of hardwood lump charcoal and soaking/smashing.
 
Tyleb173rd

Tyleb173rd

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hyroot said:
LABS:

Step 1: Rice Wash


1 Cup of Rice

1 Cup of Clean Chlorine-free water

1 Pint Jar w lid

1 Coffee Filter


  • Place Water and Rice in Jar.
  • Secure lid on Jar
  • Shake Jar for 5 minutes
  • Strain out the rice and keep the white water
  • Place 1 coffee filter on top of jar and secure the band without the lid so it can breath.
  • Place Jar (on top of your fridge) at room temperature.
  • Wait 1 week for bacteria from the air to fall into your jar.
  • Make 2 just in case you get contaminated.
  • After 1 week strain Rice wash through a strainer and place the lid on securely.
  • Your Rice wash is now full of microbes and ready for step 2 (Lab
Step 2: LABS (Lactic Acid Bacteria Serum)


1 Part Rice Wash (1 cup)

10 Parts Milk (½ Gallon)

1 Gallon Glass Jug (Apple Juice Jug)

3 Coffee Filters

1 Rubber band


  • Place rice wash and milk in the jug
  • Give it a swirl/mix.
  • Cut the 3 coffee Filters in half and now you got 6 halves.
  • Place the filters on top of the jug and secure with a rubber band.
  • Place the Jug on top of the fridge.
  • Wait 1 week for the Separation to occur of the Lactic Acid Bacteria Serum.
  • After 1 week Strain and Separate the Serum from the Curd (Cheese).
  • The Yellow Liquid is called Lactic Acid Bacteria Serum (LABS)
  • The Cheese can be used as a top dressing for your Flowering Plants Soil.
  • Proceed to Step 3.




Step 3: AEM1 (Activated Essential Micro Organisms)

1 Part LABS (1 Quart)

1 Part Molasses (1 Quart)

20 Parts Non-Chlorine Water

1 5 Gallon Carboy Glass Jug

1 Air Lock

1 Stopper

  • Place Water, Molasses and Labs in the 5 Gallon Jug or Bucket.
  • Mix
  • Secure Tight the Air Lock and Stopper on Jug .
  • Don’t Forget to add water to the Air Lock.
  • Place the Jug back in the box it came in.
  • Place Box in the Flowering room for 3 weeks to diffuse CO2 Gas to the plants.
  • After brewing for 3 weeks test the Ph to be 3.5 Ph.
  • After testing make sure there is no more pressure produced from the brew.
  • Pour solution in Jars and secure the lid tight.
  • Store Jars at room Temperature for 3 Months Max.
  • Feed Plants from all stages at a rate of 1 Pint of Activated Essential Micro Organisms x 5 Gallons of clean water.




Step 4: Flower Power


1 Quart of Activated LABS

4.5 Gallons of Non-Chlorine Water

1 5 Gallon Bucket

Organic Matter (Flowers,Fruits,Vegetables,Coconuts,Bugs,Pumpkins,Bananas)

No MEAT

No Citrus


  • Place All your Organic Matter in the bucket and add water with LABS.
  • Mix
  • Cover bucket
  • Let it sit outside when the weather is 40+ degrees.
  • After 3 weeks of Fermenting it should have a White Layer on top of the water.
  • Mix
  • Let it sit another week to ferment further.
  • Now its been 1 mth go ahead and take out 1 Quart of solution and replace with 1 Quart of clean Non-Chlorine Water.
  • Go Ahead and Add the 1 Quart Solution of Flower Power to 5 Gallons of Clean Water.
  • Test your PPM
  • Week 1 =100 PPM Week 8 = 800 PPM
  • No Need to Test PH
  • Don’t foliar feed with this solution.
  • Feed All Flowering Plant
Green Plants and Green Veggies - Veg
Red, Yellow, and Orange Fruits - Flower
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My LAB serum separated but the curds sank. Is that acceptable?
 
ANC

ANC

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So, how do you guys feel about running clones indoors in soil.
My experience with soil is that it is very slow, but great for growing long season plants outdoors.

My partner seems to have his mind set on soil, I wanted to try Rockwool blocks on batting with timed NTF running down the batting (where most of the root mass is).
The trays are to be covered with panda film, with small holes the stems poke through. Over this goes bubble wrap (to prevent conductive warming from the foil) and then an outer foil or mylar layer.

Pipes are to be thermally wrapped to help prevent picking up heat from the lights.

I have less airconditioning than lights available too. Would rather scale down the grow to fit with our cooling capacity, he seems to want to run wall to wall again.
We are headed for the crazy hot time of the year again. My instinct is it would be easier to control root temps, with an outboard reservoir and maybe chiller than leaving bags of soil to the mercy of the heat.

I love soil as much as the next guy, but I have a feeling it is not a good fit for the size of our op (80 to 90 plants in flower).

What do you guys think?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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ANC said:
So, how do you guys feel about running clones indoors in soil.
My experience with soil is that it is very slow, but great for growing long season plants outdoors.

My partner seems to have his mind set on soil, I wanted to try Rockwool blocks on batting with timed NTF running down the batting (where most of the root mass is).
The trays are to be covered with panda film, with small holes the stems poke through. Over this goes bubble wrap (to prevent conductive warming from the foil) and then an outer foil or mylar layer.

Pipes are to be thermally wrapped to help prevent picking up heat from the lights.

I have less airconditioning than lights available too. Would rather scale down the grow to fit with our cooling capacity, he seems to want to run wall to wall again.
We are headed for the crazy hot time of the year again. My instinct is it would be easier to control root temps, with an outboard reservoir and maybe chiller than leaving bags of soil to the mercy of the heat.

I love soil as much as the next guy, but I have a feeling it is not a good fit for the size of our op (80 to 90 plants in flower).

What do you guys think?
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Living soil all day if you want the best quality. Theres plenty of large facilities running no till... Most that run hydro are producing mids like jungle boys. I've been running no till living soil indoor for the past 7 or 8 years and ferments for the past few years. I ran hydro for 8 years before switching to soil. I ran bottled nutes in soil before running no till. Once you've ran living soil. You will never go back... The quality and flavor is a world of difference. Especially if you use ferments.

For faster growth you can run sub irrigated planters with living soil. Soil sits above a resi. And water wicks up into the soil from the bottom up. Like in nature. Where trees pull water from the water table below the ground surface


Look up brownguy420 on you tube. He runs a recreational op in oregon and runs all no till. Also Patrick King aka Soil king runs all no till in his commercial op. Seed to Soul Farms runs all no till in their commercial op too. Resin Ranch does all korean and jadam natural farming on their commercial op too.
These guys are running 500 to 5,000 plants. 80 -90 plants isn't a huge op. Half will be in flower and half will be vegging. Most small ops have at least 50 plants total.

Hydro is a lot more work than soil too and hydro uses a lot more water.

The only hydro that I approve of is. Aquaponics. You can great results with aquaponics. Its a closed loop system that recycles water and uses a fish tank and plants get fed by fish poop and rock dusts. They're pretty expensive to set up though.
 
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ANC

ANC

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YeaYeah I have been doing a bit of reading, avoiding the usual cannabis sites and rather looking for agricultural production information.

We settled on another coco run. outdoors I prefer soil any day, the taste is the best.
The big boys must laugh at us, they spend $200 per acre on ferts.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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ANC said:
YeaYeah I have been doing a bit of reading, avoiding the usual cannabis sites and rather looking for agricultural production information.

We settled on another coco run. outdoors I prefer soil any day, the taste is the best.
The big boys must laugh at us, they spend $200 per acre on ferts.
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Watch The Rancher, The Farmer, The Fisherman. Its a John Hoffman documentary thats Narrated by Tom Brokaw. Might be on demand or on kodi or netflix. Anyway they show wheat farmers in Kansas, North Dakota and another state I can't think of. They all had switched to no till in recent years. Their farms are better than they have ever been. Yields, quality, health of the soil / microbial life had all improved. They stopped using pesticides. They saved tons of money too.

The Rancher and fisherman parts are cool too.
 
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