HOW LONG...do you veg your clones for?

Nugachino

Nugachino

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My space has been recently upgraded. Could do 3 plants about a foot and a bit each. Haven't tested the new configuration yet.

Last run was a mystery bean, given a month and a half veg time. Ran in a 1.6 square foot area. 2.5 months to finish flower. Got me 112g dry- 225g wet
 
HydroRed

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Greenthumbs256 said:
Could U share some pics of ur set up I also have 2 bedrooms I use one for flower and other for veg, mothers,clones but I have a tent in my flower room I been thinking about scraping the tent and using the whole room looking for ideas!
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Sure but the pics may not explain thouroughly how all this works. I hope it makes sense. I'll try to give a quick rundown of my rooms too.
I have one room that is approx 14'x9' or so. In this room I have built a 4x4ish room to hold mommas and cuttings. I usually use (2) 4 bulb 2' T5's in there but currently have my diy 400W cob led light in there at about 1/2 power. This room shares the environment from the flower room through a wall with inlet and exhaust. It pulls air from the flower room, and exhausts into the flower room as well. It just runs 24/7 like that with a constant air exchange. If my flower room is 77*F and 45% RH,....so is the momma room. Momma room works just like a tent, but more permanent lol
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For the momma room, I use a 400cfm fan that runs from carbon filter, to the first 1K HPS, then to another 1K then exhaust. The room air first gets scrubbed, then cools the lights, then exits out of the room to outside. I have an inlet in the flower room for outside air to come in. This is what I use to cool my room most of the year when Im not running a/c.
I use a 5K btu window unit to cool in the summer months and because the rooms are so well insulated, it hardly cycles in the summer. this has taken me 2 years to dial in the way I want it. In winter, I use the heat from the lights and dehumidifyer to warm the rooms in colder months.
To change over the room from summer to winter all I have to do is take off the cap from the inlet, and connect the ducting from the last light in the series to the exhaust. Takes literally 5 min to do. In summer both inlet and outlet for flower room are capped and I run the AC with Co2.
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HydroRed

HydroRed

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Greenthumbs256 said:
Also I'd love to know what kind of ac and vent system you have running 2 1k HPS I have one 1k HPS and struggle to keep it under 80 during the summer with a cool tube and 10 in fan with scrubber and a small window unit
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if you are using ac, I'll assume your running a (sealed room). No exhaust, no inlets, just recirculated AC in the room correct?
 
Craigson

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HydroRed said:
Sure but the pics may not explain thouroughly how all this works. I hope it makes sense. I'll try to give a quick rundown of my rooms too.
I have one room that is approx 14'x9' or so. In this room I have built a 4x4ish room to hold mommas and cuttings. I usually use (2) 4 bulb 2' T5's in there but currently have my diy 400W cob led light in there at about 1/2 power. This room shares the environment from the flower room through a wall with inlet and exhaust. It pulls air from the flower room, and exhausts into the flower room as well. It just runs 24/7 like that with a constant air exchange. If my flower room is 77*F and 45% RH,....so is the momma room. Momma room works just like a tent, but more permanent lol
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For the momma room, I use a 400cfm fan that runs from carbon filter, to the first 1K HPS, then to another 1K then exhaust. The room air first gets scrubbed, then cools the lights, then exits out of the room to outside. I have an inlet in the flower room for outside air to come in. This is what I use to cool my room most of the year when Im not running a/c.
I use a 5K btu window unit to cool in the summer months and because the rooms are so well insulated, it hardly cycles in the summer. this has taken me 2 years to dial in the way I want it. In winter, I use the heat from the lights and dehumidifyer to warm the rooms in colder months.
To change over the room from summer to winter all I have to do is take off the cap from the inlet, and connect the ducting from the last light in the series to the exhaust. Takes literally 5 min to do. In summer both inlet and outlet for flower room are capped and I run the AC with Co2.
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Very very similar to my set up
Veg room is 42”x8ft, 1200watt LED, t5s above shelf and cloner for seedlings n clones.
Flower room is 5ftx8ft, 2x600watt hps cool tubes, 1x 315watt cmh.
(Drawing says 100watt but going w 600)


What do you use for the intake/exhaust between flower n veg rooms? Like how are there no light leaks between the two?
Thx
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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HydroRed said:
if you are using ac, I'll assume your running a (sealed room). No exhaust, no inlets, just recirculated AC in the room correct?
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No I bring air in from the window through the ac and it filters through a 10 in fan with scrubber through my light and through the closet and out into the hallway
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Craigson said:
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Very very similar to my set up
Veg room is 42”x8ft, 1200watt LED, t5s above shelf and cloner for seedlings n clones.
Flower room is 5ftx8ft, 2x600watt hps cool tubes, 1x 315watt cmh.
(Drawing says 100watt but going w 600)


What do you use for the intake/exhaust between flower n veg rooms? Like how are there no light leaks between the two?
Thx
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I just use the 4" can fans hooked up to 4" dryer vents used for low profile dryer installations. One blowing in near the floor and one exhausting near the top of the room. They run 24/7. This is the periscoping dryer vent I used for both canfans but I got them for $14 each at home depot:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049I9OYC/ref=psdc_13397451_t3_B000KKKGJ0
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Greenthumbs256 said:
No I bring air in from the window through the ac and it filters through a 10 in fan with scrubber through my light and through the closet and out into the hallway
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That may be why your having cooling issues in summer. Your venting the cooling air right out the room. With ac, you have to have the unit in the room recirculating the air is puts out and recooling the air in the room. I may not be picturing this correctly, but he way you describe your cooling methods would lead me to believe your ac just runs 24/7 trying to cool the room?
With my ac in room and it being a sealed room & fully insulated, my 15yr old 5K btu window ac hardly even needs to cycle in the summer.
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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HydroRed said:
That may be why your having cooling issues in summer. Your venting the cooling air right out the room. With ac, you have to have the unit in the room recirculating the air is puts out and recooling the air in the room. I may not be picturing this correctly, but he way you describe your cooling methods would lead me to believe your ac just runs 24/7 trying to cool the room?
With my ac in room and it being a sealed room & fully insulated, my 15yr old 5K btu window ac hardly even needs to cycle in the summer.
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I'll take pic soon when the lights come on!
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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OK here's my set up
Air come in through ac
Scrubber pulls hot air from tent through the 1k hps and out of the room

I thought this way would keep it cool the best and most efficient. Bc of how hot the 1k hps runs all air from inside the tent and around the light is pulled out. And all air coming in passes through the ac! Like I said I thought this would be the best but I struggle to keep it under 80 during the summer months winter months it's a breeze!
 

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HydroRed

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Greenthumbs256 said:
OK here's my set up
Air come in through ac
Scrubber pulls hot air from tent through the 1k hps and out of the room

I thought this way would keep it cool the best and most efficient. Bc of how hot the 1k hps runs all air from inside the tent and around the light is pulled out. And all air coming in passes through the ac! Like I said I thought this would be the best but I struggle to keep it under 80 during the summer months winter months it's a breeze!
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What is the temp of the room that the tent is in? Thats where you are pulling your air from to cool the tent correct? Your tent can only be at best a couple degees warmer than the room the tent is in. So if the room is 79* your likely gonna be 82+ degrees at best inside the tent.
Also, if you can, put the fan/filter up top where the heat is and have your inlet be at floor level. Then you have a full exchange of air in the tent along with better cooling properties when the exhaust kicks on.
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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HydroRed said:
What is the temp of the room that the tent is in? Thats where you are pulling your air from to cool the tent correct? Your tent can only be at best a couple degees warmer than the room the tent is in. So if the room is 79* your likely gonna be 82+ degrees at best inside the tent.
Also, if you can, put the fan/filter up top where the heat is and have your inlet be at floor level. Then you have a full exchange of air in the tent along with better cooling properties when the exhaust kicks on.
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Right now my room is about 73 bc its cold outside. But my fresh air comes from outside through the window unit. My 2 rooms are on opposite sides of the house. My flower room is by itself the ac brings outside air into the room and the scrubber blows through the light outside the flower room into the hallway and house. And usually my tent is always wide open!
 
chained

chained

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As long as it takes for them to fill the screen (SCROG) sufficiently, basically... Or, if I'm not going to use a screen it's just up to how they look
 
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