Discuss the advantages of "Vert"

[Nugachino]

So. Here's the "high school grade" Nugbox. I've got enough room to do eight (6L?) Buckets. 6 looks a little better. But 3 has the most even spacings. -edit- they're 12L buckets. I tested their capacity with an empty 3L milk container.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

And some are marked V for vertical operation only.

They are called "base up" not vertical.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Certain MH and CMH/CDM style HID lamps either won't work in the wrong orientation or will suffer severely shortened lifespan.

I've never seen an HPS lamp that wasn't a universal mount, so a vertically mounted DE should work fine.

But LED lighting is a better choice for vertical growing for lots of reasons.

Specifically mentions not to mount vertically.

http://eyehortilux.com/grow-lights/double-ended-hps/de-hps-installation-guide/

And as usual your opinion about Led is inappropriate here.

And as usual you're answers are incorrect and unsupported.

 

[jonsnow399]

Damn MM, I am really conflicted here, as much as I enjoy seeing him proven wrong,it's not true in this case. lol Easy mistake to make, the warning was against trying to install vertically. Its good news for anyone wanting to try vertical de's.

• 1000W
• Growth Chart
• Lamp Replacement Guide

Initial Lumens 155000
Color Temperature 1950K
CRI 25
Operating Position Universal
Fixture Requirement Open Rated
ANSI Code S52
E-Ballast Compatible Yes
Warm-Up Time 5 Minutes
Hot Re-Strike Time 15 Minutes
5 Minutes
Hot Re-Strike Time 15 Minutes
Oh well, you'll get him next time!

 

[digging]

So who makes a vertical designated DE CMH bulb ?

 

[jonsnow399]

So who makes a vertical designated DE CMH bulb ?

Growershouse makes a DE cmh, you would have to email them to find out if its universal mount.

 

[ttystikk]

They are called "base up" not vertical.

Not true. V is for vertical base up or down, it's in the codes if you care to read them.

 

[ttystikk]

Specifically mentions not to mount vertically.

http://eyehortilux.com/grow-lights/double-ended-hps/de-hps-installation-guide/

And as usual your opinion about Led is inappropriate here.

And as usual you're answers are incorrect and unsupported.

Cry much?

LED is the better solution for vertical gardening. But you're welcome to keep living in the dark ages.

I just read the light manufacturer's own white papers. What do I know?

 

[digging]

I have been in contact with a firm in China, about positioning of their DE bulbs, and this is what they emailed me back today …



Thanks your kind reply

about our 630w double ended cmh bulb , When using our CMH 630W Double ended bulb, be sure to use "horizontal" installation; can not be "vertical" installed, otherwise it is easy to damage the bulb

our 630w DE bulbs are better to position by horizontally,it can help to protect the bulb very well

Looking forward your reply soon

 

[jonsnow399]

I have been in contact with a firm in China, about positioning of their DE bulbs, and this is what they emailed me back today …



Thanks your kind reply

about our 630w double ended cmh bulb , When using our CMH 630W Double ended bulb, be sure to use "horizontal" installation; can not be "vertical" installed, otherwise it is easy to damage the bulb

our 630w DE bulbs are better to position by horizontally,it can help to protect the bulb very well

Looking forward your reply soon

Yeh, they probably make the Growerhouse bulbs.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Damn MM, I am really conflicted here, as much as I enjoy seeing him proven wrong,it's not true in this case. lol Easy mistake to make, the warning was against trying to install vertically. Its good news for anyone wanting to try vertical de's.

• 1000W
• Growth Chart
• Lamp Replacement Guide

Initial Lumens 155000
Color Temperature 1950K
CRI 25
Operating Position Universal
Fixture Requirement Open Rated
ANSI Code S52
E-Ballast Compatible Yes
Warm-Up Time 5 Minutes
Hot Re-Strike Time 15 Minutes
5 Minutes
Hot Re-Strike Time 15 Minutes
Oh well, you'll get him next time!

He did print an assumption as "educated" fact but I did only look up a couple of bulbs.

What bulb are those stats for and where did you copy it from please?

I am asking because I searched out light manufacturer info rather than re printed from a retail site for example.

If I am wrong I am wrong. I will apologize. But now I want to know why?

Growers house and HTG both have printed pretty bad mis-information like offering open hoods with single jacketed cmh bulbs.

 

[ttystikk]

He did print an assumption as "educated" fact but I did only look up a couple of bulbs.

What bulb are those stats for and where did you copy it from please?

I am asking because I searched out light manufacturer info rather than re printed from a retail site for example.

If I am wrong I am wrong. I will apologize. But now I want to know why?

Growers house and HTG both have printed pretty bad mis-information like offering open hoods with single jacketed cmh bulbs.

Philips Lighting White Papers. Search by lamp. It's a great resource.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Not true. V is for vertical base up or down, it's in the codes if you care to read them.

Maybe post one? I looked before I posted. The code is BU

Haven't seen base down or V.

But if I'm wrong I stand corrected. About the orientation of DE bulbs too if Hortilux is printing warnings for no reason.

Sorry. But learn to post proof before you speak with authority. You have been quite incorrect in the past. And never post any proof. And that is the main problem with Grow sites.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Cry much?

LED is the better solution for vertical gardening. But you're welcome to keep living in the dark ages.

I just read the light manufacturer's own white papers. What do I know?

See previous response.

Never heard the term white papers before. Can I see one?

And there is nothing better with hanging your plants against the wall and needing a whole wall of lights to actually cover them.

I could buy another house here with your build and operating costs.

But you show no greater output per square foot than an average Grow. And poor quality.

 

[jonsnow399]

He did print an assumption as "educated" fact but I did only look up a couple of bulbs.

What bulb are those stats for and where did you copy it from please?

I am asking because I searched out light manufacturer info rather than re printed from a retail site for example.

If I am wrong I am wrong. I will apologize. But now I want to know why?

Growers house and HTG both have printed pretty bad mis-information like offering open hoods with single jacketed cmh bulbs.

As Popeye used to say "Gee, this is embarraskin! Whip yer apologies out Matey!"
It is from the manufacturer, the same link you posted, but you have to select wattage to see the specs.
This is the direct link.
http://eyehortilux.com/grow-lights/double-ended-hps/#1505830586157-5d5b45d4-f0d0

 

[ttystikk]

From now on, do your own homework.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

As Popeye used to say "Gee, this is embarraskin! Whip yer apologies out Matey!"
It is from the manufacturer, the same link you posted, but you have to select wattage to see the specs.
This is the direct link.
http://eyehortilux.com/grow-lights/double-ended-hps/#1505830586157-5d5b45d4-f0d0

Huh. My phone shows no link or button where it says select wattages.

So is it universal and fine or is it recommended to be horizontal? They say both.

But like I said. I am wrong if it is universal mount. Sorry. I should have researched further.

I got a question now though. Know if universal mount means open or closed reflector instead of what we are arguing about that I shouldn't have started? Lol

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

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From now on, do your own homework.

That's the kind of bulb the catalog labeled BU for base up too.

Didn't you say you had an information paper?

I am sorry if that v means vertical. I did research. Seems there is some conflicting info on both things I said.

None of the bulbs I have used are marked that way so I have not seen a bulb stamp like that in person.

Is the U for universal and is that open or closed fixture?

 

[ttystikk]

That's the kind of bulb the catalog labeled BU for base up too.

Didn't you say you had an information paper?

I am sorry if that v means vertical. I did research. Seems there is some conflicting info on both things I said.

None of the bulbs I have used are marked that way so I have not seen a bulb stamp like that in person.

Is the U for universal and is that open or closed fixture?

I forget what the U meant, it wasn't related to orientation.

Every lamp has a code. In the case of Philips you Google the coffee and white paper and it usually comes up.

This particular lamp is an 860W CDM. It must run in a ballast at less than 140Hz (or close), so in practical terms that means magnetic. It's rated for 860W on 208V, but also runs fine at 1000W on 240V or 277V. Many of the older magnetic ballasts had internal wiring that could be switched so the unit would run on any of the above, or 120V. The 860W option was how Philips could call it an 'energy saver' lamp, lol

4K is the Kelvin temperature; in use they actually were all over the place. They might average 4000K, but some looked blue, others green- and one ran with a very clear purple tinge lol

It's an open rated lamp. It has an inner quartz jacket wrapped in wire. I had the pit pop in a few on initial startup and it was very obvious why they went to such trouble to contain it.

They were rated to last a couple years. They were not efficient, that's due to the magnetic ballast. I did scrounge a couple of low frequency square wave digital ballasts and they ran brighter on them- but more green.

They made awesome frosty buds but fluffy due to all the infrared they put out.

They were a good way to step up from HPS while running vertical and saving up for LED.

If I had it to do over, I'd run 315W CMH; same tech, square wave ballast maximises efficiency, lower watts means I can spread them out for better light distribution.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I forget what the U meant, it wasn't related to orientation.

Every lamp has a code. In the case of Philips you Google the coffee and white paper and it usually comes up.

This particular lamp is an 860W CDM. It must run in a ballast at less than 140Hz (or close), so in practical terms that means magnetic. It's rated for 860W on 208V, but also runs fine at 1000W on 240V or 277V. Many of the older magnetic ballasts had internal wiring that could be switched so the unit would run on any of the above, or 120V. The 860W option was how Philips could call it an 'energy saver' lamp, lol

4K is the Kelvin temperature; in use they actually were all over the place. They might average 4000K, but some looked blue, others green- and one ran with a very clear purple tinge lol

It's an open rated lamp. It has an inner quartz jacket wrapped in wire. I had the pit pop in a few on initial startup and it was very obvious why they went to such trouble to contain it.

They were rated to last a couple years. They were not efficient, that's due to the magnetic ballast. I did scrounge a couple of low frequency square wave digital ballasts and they ran brighter on them- but more green.

They made awesome frosty buds but fluffy due to all the infrared they put out.

They were a good way to step up from HPS while running vertical and saving up for LED.

If I had it to do over, I'd run 315W CMH; same tech, square wave ballast maximises efficiency, lower watts means I can spread them out for better light distribution.

I only asked what the u meant.

And for anything else that showed the v.

You keep talking of stepping up from hps but first chose a less efficient bulb.

And you had to mention led again.

Well you keep bringing it up so here is some honest info. I have tested these lamps for a about a year in the perpetual Grow. So about 50 plants have been harvested and 3 rounds of 3 clones a few ways.

According to everyone who shares them. Our flowers are more potent under the 600w Hortilux hps than the Phillips 315 3100k. And I get a 30% bonus in yield over the cmh too.

They do look prettier under the more natural light. The first plant I moved from under the hps across the room to the cmh really seemed to pop.

But it's all hype. 315 watts is a limiting factor.