Supercropping during early to mid flower?

[NugHeuser]

Approx day 19 of flower. 9.5x3.5 canopy, 18 plants. 2- 315w cmh, 1-630w de cmh, 1-600w hps.

I have a single plant that is close to double the size of the rest of them and I was holding it down with trellis before but I had to take out the trellis to do some maintenance on all the plants. It's much easier working with the plants without the trellis in there so I'm wondering would it hurt to continue supercropping this plant throughout flower? Will it eventually keep standing back up for the rest of the grow?

I'm worried that the energy that plant would spend on trying to fix her branches would take away from bud growth. It's only 4 branches that would need supercropped. I've already supercropped her once about 2 weeks ago or so.
If I have to I'll just throw the trellis back up but it would be nice to not do that.
What are your guys opinions on This?

I'm at work now but I can post pics of the plant and canopy when I get off.

Much appreciated!

 

[chris42393]

Yes, you can supercrop in flowering. "Super cropping any time in flowering will make your plants produce more resin/active ingredients and more buds as well as guiding more auxins to other branches and forcing them to grow bigger. That's how your plants respond to the stress that is caused by super cropping. Some people say no, but it definitely still works. Some plants dont respond well to it though. But if your plant didnt have any issues with it before, you shouldn't have any problems. and Yes, they will eventually will stand back up.

 

[NugHeuser]

Okay so new question.

This plant in question and one other one that was vegged atleast a month longer are actually starting to flop. But the way they are flopping is actually making the canopy even. And on the bigger plant I have some big branches simply leaning up against the wall. I'm on day 19 of flower, so I'm wondering are flopped over buds going to be a problem? Like will it make for high liklyhood of bud rot or mold? I have 2 ocsillating fans, a floor fan, and a 6" inline hooked to ducting and a splitter making two air vents blowing over the canopy as well. 9.5x3.5 canopy. I have good air movement and can get rh to the 20s to 30s if that helps. Or am I seriously risking mold with all the dense growth? Will it hurt for those big branches to be leaned against the wall? The bigger plant is pretty dense, pics don't do it justice.

This is only my second grow and it's going so much better than my first, I just would hate for something like bud rot to happen or it stress the plants out and cause them to hermie or something like that.
Here are some pics of the two.

 

[leather lungs]

Nice looking plants

 

[Mr.me]

Okay so new question.

This plant in question and one other one that was vegged atleast a month longer are actually starting to flop. But the way they are flopping is actually making the canopy even. And on the bigger plant I have some big branches simply leaning up against the wall. I'm on day 19 of flower, so I'm wondering are flopped over buds going to be a problem? Like will it make for high liklyhood of bud rot or mold? I have 2 ocsillating fans, a floor fan, and a 6" inline hooked to ducting and a splitter making two air vents blowing over the canopy as well. 9.5x3.5 canopy. I have good air movement and can get rh to the 20s to 30s if that helps. Or am I seriously risking mold with all the dense growth? Will it hurt for those big branches to be leaned against the wall? The bigger plant is pretty dense, pics don't do it justice.

This is only my second grow and it's going so much better than my first, I just would hate for something like bud rot to happen or it stress the plants out and cause them to hermie or something like that.
Here are some pics of the two.

As long as your humidity is in check, I dont think you should have any problems with bud rot or mold. Plants are looking very good though.

 

[NugHeuser]

As long as your humidity is in check, I dont think you should have any problems with bud rot or mold. Plants are looking very good though.

Sweet. Yeah they've been under fed the last few waterings and started losing a bunch of leaves so I'm trying to get that back in check.
They're up to between 1.4 ec and 1.8 ec now, they had been closer to 1.2 ec or less the past couple weeks. I tried doing a feed, water, water, about 2 weeks ago and after that is when they started fading, before that it was mainly feed water feed water so now I'm back to that schedule. Just trying to get them to stop losing leaves but also not jump the nutes up so quickly and give them n tox or something.

Nutes are what I've have the most problem with growing, my first grow i burnt all my plants to a crisp lol

 

[NugHeuser]

Here's the yellowing I'm talking about. I didn't notice it was this bad until the other day when I took a plant out from the trellis, after that I removed the trellis and now I'm working on cleaning them all up and keeping specific notes on each plant until they're stable again.

So the plant in the picture is an Alien rift in a 3g pot. A plant this size, what would you guys say would be the rough ballpark estimate of where the EC should be for an every other watering feed?
The temps get up to the uppers 80s and there's quite a bit of light, I believe 55 to 60 watts a sq. ft. I think I read that those play a factor in how much nutes a plant should be getting too but I may be wrong.

 

[NugHeuser]

Nice looking plants

Thanks!

 

[NugHeuser]

Here's another alien rift and all the yellow leaves I pulled. Hopefully I can get the nutes figured out without burning them or losing more leaves. Any thoughts on what ec or ppms should be around for this one?

 

[chris42393]

Hows the PH of your water? Have you been feeding her any Nitrogen/Cal/Mag? These are the "main" deficiencies that these plants have. Can you take a pic up close of the affected leave so i can see what else is wrong with it? I started to have the same problem, i gave her Cal/Mag and stopped the problem. The yellow leaves remain, be the extent of the problem stopped. Im not a pro by any means, but imma say its a Mag def. Symptoms of magnesium deficiency will quickly escalate during flowering. Im not familiar with EC, what is that? Maybe i know it from another name lol

 

[NugHeuser]

I've been ph'ing the water to 6.3. I was always ph'ing to 6.5 up to a week or two ago. And yeah I've been giving them cal mag plus, 3 ml/g each time they're fed and my tap is around 150 so they might be getting a little from that too. I already pulled pulled most all of the faded leaves. They looked to be n,p, and k deficiencies.
EC is just another measure of what's in your water, like ppms. My meter measures both and is the 500 scale, so 500 ppms for me is 1.0 ec.

The weird thing is a couple of my plants that I just watered that have lost a lot of lower leaves because of deficiencies had runoff ppms up to I believe 1700 ppm. The water didn't appear yellow in the cup though and they never have had n tox or looked burnt or anything.
Is runoff ppm that high normal?

 

[NugHeuser]

So basically I'm not sure if the leaves on my plants are looking deficient because the ppms in my soil is way too high and I have nute lockout or if it's fine and I should keep working to fix the deficiency

 

[coreywebster]

It does seem very high EC but not sure what medium your growing in. I assume its soil because you were feeding every other watering? If its a soil and you were adding nutrients before the soil had depleted then there would be excess salts and could lock out nutrients.
I'm afraid my knowledge of soil is limited though. When in doubt at this stage its a good idea to flush and reintroduce nutrients after at a reduced level, like 1.2-1.4 ec.

 

[NugHeuser]

It does seem very high EC but not sure what medium your growing in. I assume its soil because you were feeding every other watering? If its a soil and you were adding nutrients before the soil had depleted then there would be excess salts and could lock out nutrients.
I'm afraid my knowledge of soil is limited though. When in doubt at this stage its a good idea to flush and reintroduce nutrients after at a reduced level, like 1.2-1.4 ec.

Yeah it's soil and I'd have to look back into my notes at when I started feeding them, I know I waited a while and let them feed off the fox farm ocean forest. Im pretty sure I didnt start feeding until shortly before flip, when I started seeing first signs of yellowing, and I started pretty light because I burnt my plants to a crisp on my first grow when I did start feeding. Also I've used organic nutes and teas a handful of times too, maybe for 4 or 5 feedings. And I ran a bunch of water(maybe close to a gallon) through each plant probably about two weeks ago to try flushing out any built up salts.
So it's seeming like I shouldn't have much salt buildup but at the same time I have high runoff ppms.
I'm thinking I maybe should start a new thread pertaining to that specific question since this one is titled differently.
Things are going so much better this time around, but another 5 weeks is a lot of time for something to go wrong.

 

[coreywebster]

Yeah it's soil and I'd have to look back into my notes at when I started feeding them, I know I waited a while and let them feed off the fox farm ocean forest. Im pretty sure I didnt start feeding until shortly before flip, when I started seeing first signs of yellowing, and I started pretty light because I burnt my plants to a crisp on my first grow when I did start feeding. Also I've used organic nutes and teas a handful of times too, maybe for 4 or 5 feedings. And I ran a bunch of water(maybe close to a gallon) through each plant probably about two weeks ago to try flushing out any built up salts.
So it's seeming like I shouldn't have much salt buildup but at the same time I have high runoff ppms.
I'm thinking I maybe should start a new thread pertaining to that specific question since this one is titled differently.
Things are going so much better this time around, but another 5 weeks is a lot of time for something to go wrong.

Yeah, I would start a new thread, get more eyes on it. Plenty of folks on here with experience with fox farm products.
If you flush you want to run a lot more than a gallon of water, usually like several times the pot volume until the EC is coming out low.
Like I say though, I'm not really the right person for advice on soil grows. Coco is a different ball game.

Good luck with finding your answers.

 

[Rek]

Looks like light burn to me. Not a feeding problem.

 

[Kimforeverandever]

Here's the yellowing I'm talking about. I didn't notice it was this bad until the other day when I took a plant out from the trellis, after that I removed the trellis and now I'm working on cleaning them all up and keeping specific notes on each plant until they're stable again.

So the plant in the picture is an Alien rift in a 3g pot. A plant this size, what would you guys say would be the rough ballpark estimate of where the EC should be for an every other watering feed?
The temps get up to the uppers 80s and there's quite a bit of light, I believe 55 to 60 watts a sq. ft. I think I read that those play a factor in how much nutes a plant should be getting too but I may be wrong.

Call mag trust me

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Call mag trust me

Quality comment.

 

[Rum Nugginz]

So basically getting back on topic, if some of your branches are starting to reach the lights, is it ok to super crop those branches in mid bloom? Will it slow down production or will it increase resin content? Or both?

 

[Nope_49595933949]

So basically getting back on topic, if some of your branches are starting to reach the lights, is it ok to super crop those branches in mid bloom? Will it slow down production or will it increase resin content? Or both?

The nugs getting more direct light will be larger. You'll get a nice knuckle on the branch where you bend it.