6x1000w Scrog Grow with Coco Coir Gravity Buckets (open discussion)

[max420thc]

Update Jan 13, 2018:
Start of Week 9 of Flower - Flush
Starting to flush for the final week. Everything has been going wonderfully. I have been collecting the dehumidified water to dilute the tap water with. PPM sitting around 177PPM. I expect to see some yellowing over the week before the final take down next Saturday,
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Video with close up of each strain

You are doing well my friend, your plants look good.
Some of the strains you are running are punny producers,
Over nuting can cause some strains to burn like a black tar and will not burn in a joint .
I could give you a bunch of tips to improve your scrog , production and quality.
Your buds below the top of the canopy are going to be very light and fluffy , undeveloped . You can make hash out of them though

 

[dr.tomb]

You are doing well my friend, your plants look good.
Some of the strains you are running are punny producers,
Over nuting can cause some strains to burn like a black tar and will not burn in a joint .
I could give you a bunch of tips to improve your scrog , production and quality.
Your buds below the top of the canopy are going to be very light and fluffy , undeveloped . You can make hash out of them though

Im very open to suggestions as i chop tomorrow and start a new grow right after.

 

[ColoradoCheshire]

Impressive. Glad to see someone with ambition for a medical grow. The plants look very well. Only thing I would offer for advice at this point is be more proactive about defoliating during flower. It's too late into your current grow to do that effectively, but you should still get a ton of yummy colas.
Once your colas really come into shape during flowering it's always a good idea to cut back as many top fan leaves to get the lower canopy opened up, as well as, promote more air flow. Ladies like to sway instead of sit stuck closely side by side. And I mean main stem fan leaves that don't collect sugar.
People that argue against defoliation say it's like taking solar panels away from their metabolism, but that's only if you have little to no fan leaves on axial limbs.
Yes wattage is important, but a lot of growers don't take enough time to understand their plants biorythmic signature. You use less light hours during flower, and a lot of the magic happens during lights out.
So as long as your ladies are healthy and not getting shocked from nutes, you can defoliate to save time at harvest and improve yields. All too often it's over fertilizing that leads to stunted bud forming and overall lack of harmony for the plants. I could go on, but I don't want to bore.

 

[dr.tomb]

Impressive. Glad to see someone with ambition for a medical grow. The plants look very well. Only thing I would offer for advice at this point is be more proactive about defoliating during flower. It's too late into your current grow to do that effectively, but you should still get a ton of yummy colas.
Once your colas really come into shape during flowering it's always a good idea to cut back as many top fan leaves to get the lower canopy opened up, as well as, promote more air flow. Ladies like to sway instead of sit stuck closely side by side. And I mean main stem fan leaves that don't collect sugar.
People that argue against defoliation say it's like taking solar panels away from their metabolism, but that's only if you have little to no fan leaves on axial limbs.
Yes wattage is important, but a lot of growers don't take enough time to understand their plants biorythmic signature. You use less light hours during flower, and a lot of the magic happens during lights out.
So as long as your ladies are healthy and not getting shocked from nutes, you can defoliate to save time at harvest and improve yields. All too often it's over fertilizing that leads to stunted bud forming and overall lack of harmony for the plants. I could go on, but I don't want to bore.

I did a huge defoliating right around week 3 of Flower, after that I stopped. Do you continue right up to the end?

 

[ColoradoCheshire]

I did a huge defoliating right around week 3 of Flower, after that I stopped. Do you continue right up to the end?

My personal regiment for defoliating is once a week during flower, of course if they bounce back slow or fast determines if I space it one less or one more day on the week. Basically take main stem fans first, only 3-4 pairs at a time per plant. After the nuggets really start setting you can get some of the axial fan leaves if they are straight up covering lower nuggets. And in the last 10 days or so of flower, if you've been keeping good at defoliating without shock, then take ALL fan leaves without sugars and cut them right away. This saves a ton of time for manicuring the final buds. Also this last week of flower if you take the fan leaves, it diverts all available energy to those yummy clusters.
One last question/point to make. Are you running intake/exhaust in your garage? That's another huge factor in the vigor to which your plants will grow. It's fine and dandy to push the air around a room, but you need to push out the over oxygenated air and bring in fresh air for the plants to feed on. Even if you run a CO2 system, air exchange is a huge factor.

 

[dr.tomb]

No co2, although i debated it for next round. I have an 8inch duct with a booster fan, bringing in cold outside air (-1c to - 40c(-40f)). I have a 6 inch output that takes the warm air through a carbon filter and pulls all the hot heat out through the cool tube lighting.

 

[ColoradoCheshire]

Carbon filtering your cool tube exhaust isn't doing anything. You need a seperate exhaust for the room itself, and carbon filter that exhaust. If your intake/exhaust system is tight through all the tubes that line won't smell. You need something pushing the air the plants create outside. It'll help your overall humidity and lessen chances for mold or rot to set in. Although I'll give you this tip, when vegging the plants as long as they're drinking properly, you can mist heavily once to twice a day. This depends how long it takes for the water to drip or evaporate away. If it only takes a couple hours, mist twice daily during veg.

 

[dr.tomb]

Carbon filtering your cool tube exhaust isn't doing anything. You need a seperate exhaust for the room itself, and carbon filter that exhaust.

Yeah as it sits the cool tubes are pulling the same hot air from the main room then into the cool tubes.

Im reluctant to cut 2 more holes for another intake and output.

 

[max420thc]

Im very open to suggestions as i chop tomorrow and start a new grow right after.

The net should not be set in place until week three.
The effective coverage area of a 1000 watt HPS bulb is 4x4 or 16 square feet ,150000 lumens at 10000 lumens per square feet. Because you ceilings are only 8 ft you need to keep your plants close to the ground , 12 2 gallon containers evenly spaced under the bet with plants vegetated for around 3 to 4 weeks.
You can also do it with 4 five gallons ,
I prefer ebb and grow hydro , but however you want to do it.
If you have twelve plants they need topped real early in veg then trained to three colas each for a total of 36 colas.
When you first set the plants under the bet( all same strain so you have the same stretch to keep the canopy even when the plants grow ) cut all the tops off the plant even with one another to keep the canopy even when it grows, flat as a pancake .
Pick the three strongest terminal stems keep them and cut the rest off the plant .
Any side Branch's coming off the terminal stem very far , if they stay close to the terminal stem leave them on , but cut any side stems off the side of the terminal stem 1 inch from the termal stem and leave the fan leaves on the plant. (DO NOT REMOVE THE FAN LEAVES)
It will freak you out when you first do this.
Because it will look like a Charlie Brown Christmas tree , but don't worry it will be awesome when done , then pinch the tops of each terminal stem. This will force the plant to repair the injury by rushing water and nutes to the area feeding all the bud sites along the terminal stem making the Buds bigger and fatter along the stem as they develop forming large single colas .
This process needs done one a week for five weeks on a 8 week strain .
I hang my nets from the ceilings from ratchet straps so the can be lowered into place at week three, the net is prefferable to have two screens ( double trellis ) 8 inch's apart ,setting the net into place evenly spacing the colas through the net, you still have two weeks of cutting side shooter Branch's off around the net, if the do not shoot from the termal stem very far do not cut them off, of course pinch the tops every time you trim.
This will force the plant into forming large single colas allowing deep penatration into the canopy developing the colas deep.
Change your bulbs with cheap ones at the beginning of every run. Every run .
True hydro will gain you around 1/3 production .
Lining your room with orca film will increase your production 1/5 .
The net if used correctly will increase your production around 1/2 ,
Using good hoods without glass will increase your production by at least another 1/5 ,
On a thousand with proper use of the nets with the correct set up I can produce beteween 4 and 6 lbs per lamp.
This system is only suitable for plants that like to form long colas. Not suitable for plants that pop corn bud up
Any plants that does not cola, most plants cola will work well

 

[max420thc]

Carbon filtering your cool tube exhaust isn't doing anything. You need a seperate exhaust for the room itself, and carbon filter that exhaust. If your intake/exhaust system is tight through all the tubes that line won't smell. You need something pushing the air the plants create outside. It'll help your overall humidity and lessen chances for mold or rot to set in. Although I'll give you this tip, when vegging the plants as long as they're drinking properly, you can mist heavily once to twice a day. This depends how long it takes for the water to drip or evaporate away. If it only takes a couple hours, mist twice daily during veg.

I do not mind that you do this, but I never sprayed my plants on a daily basis, but I would on a weeks basis with 3 ml of h2o2 35 percent hydrogen peroxide and you will never see powder mildew,

 

[dr.tomb]

Ive got all my new girls sitting on a flood and drain table in solo cups. The slower growing strains are going to have 5 plants and the faster growing jacky white for example will likely have 2-3 per screen. They are currently about 1ft tall, unfortunately i cut them back to the 2nd true node (4 cola aka 1 cola each side of the nodes). They have been vegging for about 3 weeks at least.

When you say pinch, do you mean to remove the auxin point at the end or do you mean just slightly kink the end branch? Also are you saying that when im training and defoliating that at the end of each branch it should be Pinched (this could be 10+ branches each time)?

I am running coco coir ebb and flow buckets. Ill debate adding the second screen above. Im slowly removing strains that dont do well under scrog for future grows.

 

[max420thc]

Ive got all my new girls sitting on a flood and drain table in solo cups. The slower growing strains are going to have 5 plants and the faster growing jacky white for example will likely have 2-3 per screen. They are currently about 1ft tall, unfortunately i cut them back to the 2nd true node (4 cola aka 1 cola each side of the nodes). They have been vegging for about 3 weeks at least.

When you say pinch, do you mean to remove the auxin point at the end or do you mean just slightly kink the end branch? Also are you saying that when im training and defoliating that at the end of each branch it should be Pinched (this could be 10+ branches each time)?

I am running coco coir ebb and flow buckets. Ill debate adding the second screen above. Im slowly removing strains that dont do well under scrog for future grows.

Slightly kink to injure the top. Not remove it.
There will be no side Branch's left, just a terminal stem with fan leafs . All the side shooters( side shooting Branch's are removed )

 

[max420thc]

Slightly kink to injure the top. Not remove it.
There will be no side Branch's left, just a terminal stem with fan leafs . All the side shooters( side shooting Branch's are removed )

If I had my pictures with me I would show you what it would look like.
When I get back next week I will look them up for you

 

[dr.tomb]

correct set up I can produce beteween 4 and 6 lbs per lamp.

Wow thats crazy... Do you mean 4-6 wet before dry? Or do you mean dried and Manicured ready for smoke?

 

[dr.tomb]

If I had my pictures with me I would show you what it would look like.
When I get back next week I will look them up for you

Ill take a video of my new girls so you can assist me when i get the new setup prepped completed with the solocup plants placed into the 5gal buckets.

 

[max420thc]

Wow thats crazy... Do you mean 4-6 wet before dry? Or do you mean dried and Manicured ready for smoke?

No dry

 

[max420thc]

Ill take a video of my new girls so you can assist me when i get the new setup prepped completed with the solocup plants placed into the 5gal buckets.

It's only 2.5 gram per watt . Better can be done but not much more, OG around 3.5 4 range per 1000 . Super silver haze , alot more. Gravitas even more

 

[PhriendlyPharmer]

Also took some time to make some delicious Bubble Hash. Currently just drying, but i plan on pressing it with some heat.
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Dang that sure look purrty.

 

[dr.tomb]

If I had my pictures with me I would show you what it would look like.
When I get back next week I will look them up for you

Here is what my clone looks like prior to moving. It was taken dec18th, took about 10-15 days to root. So its about 3weeks of roots old.


I also ordered a CO2 meter that actually arrived today. It reads about 348ppm outside in fresh air, inside the room before lights on it is reading what the picture says. (i know plants do not utilize co2 when lights are off, so ill take another picture of the reading when lights are on for most of the day and post it later)

 

[max420thc]

Dr last time I helped set someone up the grow was epic with no telling how many people were watching the run.
Dlopez is the name of the fine your man I helped double his production and quality .
He had excellent genetics too .
You already have ebb and grow system 2 gallon buckets correct ?
Private clients pay me huge to show them what I am about to show you.
If you help me do what I ask you.
You can believe it the haters will come out of the wood work too