Cannabis 'genetics bottleneck' a growing concern for budding licensed producers

[Anothermeduser]

Those crosses are just that. Crosses, making them partly related to OG, or a phenotype of a cross with OG. Not a phenotypic expression of OG by itself.

Exactly, thats how the new and better stuff comes about, like gsc is a pheno expression of ogx and has a unique flavour, somone used og instead of looking for another stable mom, or a result of a hermied room and presto-chango a legend was born, they all have a story like that.

 

[Anothermeduser]

I dont buy into the theory that the same strains can be reproduced with the same parents, i believe every plant is unique and much like a persons kids are mostly diverse so are a plants offspring, the chances of the same genetic code with the same input arent always the same. Luck of the draw and combination comes into play breeding or pollen chucking to pheno hunt.

 

[TheRealDman]

OG Kush example....at least 20 direct relatives, and at least 51 genetically identical clones growing under different names.

https://testing.phylosbioscience.com/sample/genotype/4ope9rge

 

[GroErr]

OG Kush example....at least 20 direct relatives, and at least 51 genetically identical clones growing under different names.

https://testing.phylosbioscience.com/sample/genotype/4ope9rge

That database is fantastic, I've been using it to find UNCOMMON genetics to breed and cross reference it all the time when making decisions on what to cross. As they add more and more strains it's becoming apparent that many "strains" out there are just chucks/variations of the same thing.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

If one takes notice, most of the current strains all go back to a few, a lot of the strains are phenotypes from the same seeds but worked different or based on a different pheno from same seed

If you had originally said most strains can PARTIALLY be traced back. As in theyre decended from crosses made with the old strains, Id agree. You however stated that they're simply phenotypes of those old strains.

Different phynotypic expressions of Jack Herrer are still Jack Herrer, they simply show different expressions of their parents. Simply renaming it wouldn't make it a new strain in anything other than name. The parental lineage is the same. The variences come from some expressing more of the mother or fathers traits.

Now if you took that same Jack Herrer pheno and crossed to another strain then yes, you can trace it back to being partially Jack Herrer. But it is no longer Jack Herrer and you cannot simply say that its just a phenotype of Jack Herrer

See my point?

Exactly, thats how the new and better stuff comes about, like gsc is a pheno expression of ogx and has a unique flavour, somone used og instead of looking for another stable mom, or a result of a hermied room and presto-chango a legend was born, they all have a story like that.

Except you didnt mention crosses in the post I replied to. You simply said todays strains are phenotypes of all the old strains

 

[Anothermeduser]

I undestood what you were say

If you had originally said most strains can PARTIALLY be traced back. As in theyre decended from crosses made with the old strains, Id agree. You however stated that they're simply phenotypes of those old strains.

Different phynotypic expressions of Jack Herrer are still Jack Herrer, they simply show different expressions of their parents. Simply renaming it wouldn't make it a new strain in anything other than name. The parental lineage is the same. The variences come from some expressing more of the mother or fathers traits.
Wheather i mentioned it or not it is a moot point, what i said is true, that many times a standout

Now if you took that same Jack Herrer pheno and crossed to another strain then yes, you can trace it back to being partially Jack Herrer. But it is no longer Jack Herrer and you cannot simply say that its just a phenotype of Jack Herrer

See my point?



Except you didnt mention crosses in the post I replied to. You simply said todays strains are phenotypes of all the old strains

If you had originally said most strains can PARTIALLY be traced back. As in theyre decended from crosses made with the old strains, Id agree. You however stated that they're simply phenotypes of those old strains.

Different phynotypic expressions of Jack Herrer are still Jack Herrer, they simply show different expressions of their parents. Simply renaming it wouldn't make it a new strain in anything other than name. The parental lineage is the same. The variences come from some expressing more of the mother or fathers traits.

Now if you took that same Jack Herrer pheno and crossed to another strain then yes, you can trace it back to being partially Jack Herrer. But it is no longer Jack Herrer and you cannot simply say that its just a phenotype of Jack Herrer

See my point?



Except you didnt mention crosses in the post I replied to. You simply said todays strains are phenotypes of all the old strains

Both are a truth, what i first mentioned is a truth as well that many times a stand out pheno from a seed run is isolated worked and renamed, its a fact despite whatever one might think, there is many references to this if one researches strain lineage and breeders accounts, as well as the crosses

My point is even with shitty genetics things can be worked and found with genetics improved, its not a dead pool, it just needs work

 

[Anothermeduser]

Seems a little misleading but i notice that thats how things have worked

 

[TheRealDman]

On a side note, environmental conditions play a huge part in phenotype expression. Like those 51 genetically identical OG Kush clones running under different names. They may all look/grow similar but will have subtle, to not so subtle differences when harvested...dependant on environmental growing conditions.

 

[gb123]

a clone can change over time depending on environment and even where the next clone is taken on the plant.

certainly is tons of factors..