Israel starts deporting African migrants

[SneekyNinja]

keep defending palestine. the rhetoric in their founding charter is far worse than anything hitler had to say about the jews.

Yep, the ones using their military to fire white phosphorous munitions at civilians are totally the victims here.

The irony being that "your tribe" would all be dead if the rest of the world didn't let them in, and here they are fucking over the natives of their land and African refugees.

You want to talk about antisemitism?

The Palestinians are the original Semites, they're the Jews that never left and eventually converted to Islam.

Sober up, you're becoming a joke recently.

 

[abandonconflict]

their founding charter blames all jews (not just israel) for atrocities worse than hitler accused the jews of doing.

Even the original charter never included those particular statements. It did contain some of those old allusions to Jewish conspiracy theories but most Palestinians did not support Hamas until after Meshaal revised most of that reactionary hatred out and even accepted a two-state solution.

With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

there are the many, many statements by hamas leaders calling for the destruction of all jews on earth.

It quotes a saying from a hadith (not Quran)

The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

Again, to claim that all Palestinians are to blame for choosing that leadership is tantamount to claim that you and I are Trump supporters. I'm not defending Hamas, they are engaged in a dirty fight and have always been on the losing, desperate side which has driven them to extreme ideology but it doesn't follow that all Palestinians are to blame for that.

Besides, it is Palestine being wiped off the map, not Israel.

 

[UncleBuck]

Even the original charter never included those particular statements. It did contain some of those old allusions to Jewish conspiracy theories but most Palestinians did not support Hamas until after Meshaal revised most of that reactionary hatred out and even accepted a two-state solution.


It quotes a saying from a hadith (not Quran)


Again, to claim that all Palestinians are to blame for choosing that leadership is tantamount to claim that you and I are Trump supporters. I'm not defending Hamas, they are engaged in a dirty fight and have always been on the losing, desperate side which has driven them to extreme ideology but it doesn't follow that all Palestinians are to blame for that.

Besides, it is Palestine being wiped off the map, not Israel.

you left out one very important detail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant#Anti-semitic_canards

It continues by accusing the Jews of engineering World War I and it echoes Nazi propaganda in claiming that Jews profited during World War II.[41]

 

[abandonconflict]

I might have to go and update that wikipedia page.

 

[SneekyNinja]

you left out one very important detail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant#Anti-semitic_canards

It continues by accusing the Jews of engineering World War I and it echoes Nazi propaganda in claiming that Jews profited during World War II.[41]

Citation 41 is a book written by a historian and as such is not a valid primary source.

 

[UncleBuck]

Citation 41 is a book written by a historian and as such is not a valid primary source.

well i can cite it any number of ways. how about their belief in the protocols of the elders of zion?

jews met a nasty fate in the holocaust because people did not stand up to the lies that jew-hating organizations like hamas (and thereby palestine) spew. if we let it go unchecked all over again, we are letting history repeat itself.

israel is a right wing authoritarian asshole, palestine is literally a terrorist nation.

 

[SneekyNinja]

well i can cite it any number of ways. how about their belief in the protocols of the elders of zion?

jews met a nasty fate in the holocaust because people did not stand up to the lies that jew-hating organizations like hamas (and thereby palestine) spew. if we let it go unchecked all over again, we are letting history repeat itself.

israel is a right wing authoritarian asshole, palestine is literally a terrorist nation.

You're drunk, you're just making shit up to suit your argument. Your citation was bunk.

You know who else does that?

Republicans.

 

[UncleBuck]

You're drunk, you're just making shit up to suit your argument. Your citation was bunk.

You know who else does that?

Republicans.

convincing rebuttal.

let me open up beer #1 for the night while i hear you dispute the fact that hamas literally believes that the protocols of the elders of zion is a real, true document about the secret and nefarious jewish plan to take over the world.

go ahead now, dispute it. for my amusement.

 

[SneekyNinja]

convincing rebuttal.

let me open up beer #1 for the night while i hear you dispute the fact that hamas literally believes that the protocols of the elders of zion is a real, true document about the secret and nefarious jewish plan to take over the world.

go ahead now, dispute it. for my amusement.

Cite it.

 

[UncleBuck]

Cite it.

will the united states holocaust memorial museum and US state deparment do?

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007058

the fact that you are even asking me to cite this widely known fact is just embarrassing. or at least it should be, but some people are just shameless.

 

[SneekyNinja]

will the united states holocaust memorial museum and US state deparment do?

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007058

the fact that you are even asking me to cite this widely known fact is just embarrassing. or at least it should be, but some people are just shameless.

That's still not a citation, they make a claim... without a citation.

You're embarrassing yourself because you can't even research your own beliefs.

Your claims are as factual as the Protocols themselves.

 

[UncleBuck]

That's still not a citation, they make a claim... without a citation.

You're embarrassing yourself because you can't even research your own beliefs.

Your claims are as factual as the Protocols themselves.

so you are disputing the fact that hamas' covenant is based on the protocols of the elders of zion.

pathetic.

apparently you know more than the US state department, the united states holocaust memorial museum, not to mention just about every historian on the planet who is not a holocaust denier (like hamas and the palestinians are).

 

[SneekyNinja]

so you are disputing the fact that hamas' covenant is based on the protocols of the elders of zion.

pathetic.

apparently you know more than the US state department, the united states holocaust memorial museum, not to mention just about every historian on the planet who is not a holocaust denier (like hamas and the palestinians are).

Can you make ANY citation apart from uncited claims?

Any sort of Hamas literature that supports your assertion?

Cos at the minute there is no primary source to support your claims whatsoever.

Its really hard for you when someone refuses to be shouted down and actually asks you to support the things you're saying, isn't it?

 

[UncleBuck]

yep, everyone is wrong except you, the guy who apparently refuses to accept scholarly sources like the historians at the united states holocaust memorial museum (what would they know about this sort of thing) and the US state department (buncha losers), as well as every fucking historian on earth whio is not a holocaust denier.

pathetic.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

article 22 covers how the jews caused WW1 (hitler's lie which got the jews holocausted) and article 32 covers their belief in the protocols of the elders of zion.

but no doubt you'll find some reason to deny what is in their own covenant too, since you know way better than literally every single scholar and historian out there.

 

[abandonconflict]

That's still not a citation, they make a claim... without a citation.

You're embarrassing yourself because you can't even research your own beliefs.

Your claims are as factual as the Protocols themselves.

You're letting UB fight his fight and he's shunting you into defending Hamas. He's pretty good at it and you could learn a lot about trolling from him. By tempting you to demand citation about his Hamas claim, he's gotten you to ignore his sneaky and blatant fallacy. It's the parenthesized equivalence of Hamas and Palestine. It's just a step behind saying all Palestinians are potential suicide bombers. It ignores the bullying inside the West Bank and Gaza that Hamas does to control the Palestinian dialogue.

He'll win the argument over whether or not Hamas is a terrorist organization because the criteria for declaring an organization as such is proprietarily biased. He doesn't have to cite anything, he just has to keep you looking at his left hand while he slaps you with his right. Trust me, he's the master debater and also the master baiter. Don't let Unclebuck masturbate on you.

You're better off letting him get the last word as soon as he becomes repetitive. Besides, Hamas is a terrorist organization and they don't really help the Palestinian cause just like resisting the police isn't a good option for black men in the US.

 

[SneekyNinja]

You're letting UB fight his fight and he's shunting you into defending Hamas. He's pretty good at it and you could learn a lot about trolling from him. By tempting you to demand citation about his Hamas claim, he's gotten you to ignore his sneaky and blatant fallacy. It's the parenthesized equivalence of Hamas and Palestine. It's just a step behind saying all Palestinians are potential suicide bombers. It ignores the bullying inside the West Bank and Gaza that Hamas does to control the Palestinian dialogue.

He'll win the argument over whether or not Hamas is a terrorist organization because the criteria for declaring an organization as such is proprietarily biased. He doesn't have to cite anything, he just has to keep you looking at his left hand while he slaps you with his right. Trust me, he's the master debater and also the master baiter. Don't let Unclebuck masturbate on you.

You're better off letting him get the last word as soon as he becomes repetitive. Besides, Hamas is a terrorist organization and they don't really help the Palestinian cause just like resisting the police isn't a good option for black men in the US.

Yeah, but he could call them a terrorist organization without citing bullshit as his reason.

Then we could talk about how a terrorist from one perspective is the one fighting an occupying oppressor from another.

He isn't half as smart as you or he thinks.

And no, I've already made the point that Hamas aren't representative of the Palestinians any more than Trunp is representative of us.

And terrorist?

Isn't that the one using munitions banned under the Geneva Convention on civilians?

 

[UncleBuck]

Yeah, but he could call them a terrorist organization without citing bullshit as his reason.

Then we could talk about how a terrorist from one perspective is the one fighting an occupying oppressor from another.

He isn't half as smart as you or he thinks.

And no, I've already made the point that Hamas aren't representative of the Palestinians any more than Trunp is representative of us.

And terrorist?

Isn't that the one using munitions banned under the Geneva Convention on civilians?

the fact that i had to cite basic facts about hamas to you should be pretty embarrassing.

 

[abandonconflict]

Yeah, but he could call them a terrorist organization without citing bullshit as his reason.

Then we could talk about how a terrorist from one perspective is the one fighting an occupying oppressor from another.

He isn't half as smart as you or he thinks.

And no, I've already made the point that Hamas aren't representative of the Palestinians any more than Trunp is representative of us.

And terrorist?

Isn't that the one using munitions banned under the Geneva Convention on civilians?

The only real difference between soldiers and terrorists are the uniforms and no citation will ever suffice to prove any side correct in such a debate. If we were talking about science it would.

On that note, let's talk about the science here, specifically demographics. I see Palestine as a perfect example of demographers putting the cart before the horse when talking about overpopulation causing strife. This view, first put forward by Malthus is demonstrably wrong.

Actually, it is strife that causes overpopulation just as malnutrition during development is correlated to diabetes in later life. In stressful conditions, the evolutionary instinct to reproduce is heightened as a greater number of offspring leads to a greater chance of continuing one's progeny. Conversely, nations with very high standards of living and high literacy and education rates tend to have slower population growth. See Japan and Denmark.

Other examples such as Palestine which demonstrate that population growth follows from strife are Iraq and Cambodia with the latter being a particularly striking example. Within a generation of the genocide which saw 3 million of the nation's 8 million killed, there are 15.7 million Khmer.

 

[SneekyNinja]

the fact that i had to cite basic facts about hamas to you should be pretty embarrassing.

You didn't cite shit, dumbass.

 

[UncleBuck]

You didn't cite shit, dumbass.

yep, telling you exactly which sections of the hamas covenant itself to read AFTER citing numerous authors, historians, the united states holocaust memorial museum, and the US state department was an example of me not citing shit.

i'm having my second beer now.