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[Homie Da Clown]

A pH of seven is not going to hurt your plant or a seedling. It's not ideal for hydro. A plant will not suffer at a pH of 5.4
Or even five so long as it does not stay at that pH.
Plants grow in a pH of seven all the time outside in dirt right?
The reason you guys can not go hrdlwy over a gram a watt is you are growing for surface area only in a scrog and not depth
A 1000 watt will penetrate three ft deep into a plant and most growers only here are only getting six to eight inches penetration because the canopy is to thick.
I am not dick unless forced or prodded into being one.
I am here hanging out trying to help people.
This new grower needs some help
Are we not here to help one another and learn from one another ? It's not who has a biggest dick contest unless we want to turn it into one and yeah I can help you reach two grams a watt and will show you how to do it if you want.
Go look at drtomb grow I am helping him now. But his conditions and plants are not set up completely to reach that point but he will do good.
You will find drawing on his 6 1000 watt Coco grow journal .
If you want to follow along I will show anyone who wants how to reach 2 grams a watt

Yes I agree that a ph of 7 wouldnt hurt if it was like 24 hrs or less. And yes I agree that DE does flower deeper,, but I disagree about you not needing to feed. But no big dick contest im way to busy for all that...

Morning all! Ok, here are today’s pics and the readings from my brand new and calibrated ph and ppm testers from Blue Lab. The bigger leaves on my first girl look like they have rust on them Calmag deficiency? I’m only using 1/4 strength calmag - should I up THAT nutrient to 1/2 strength maybe?

HBSS #1 ... ph: 6.3 ... ppm: 470 ... Water temp: 68
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HBSS #1 ... ph: 7.2 ... ppm: 710 ... Water temp: 68
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Now, I know that the ph and ppms are up higher than they should be. Since the water level has dropped some (likely due to evaporation more than anything), do I add distilled water to bring that ppm level DOWN and then re-check the ph and adjust if necessary?

This is why I was considering switching out the waters in both this weekend - especially now that I have these awesome new pens! I’m not worried about “throwing away” nutes that are in water already - especially if that water isn’t doing my babies any good!

Something is seriously wrong that you doubled your ppm. The plant didnt drink no water, or at least no more than a few spoon fulls. So how much water did it go down in a day?

 

[Budley Doright]

ANC is correct in my opinion. There are lots of nutes that will not show up on a meter. Especially if organic

I know that lol. But why would an EC meter show it but not a ppm meter? That was the question?

 

[Homie Da Clown]

I am on my phone right now, I can not post pictures off of this phone, they are in my computer,
I told you where to find my pictures.
If you do not want to go look it's up to you. 6 lbs a lamp under HPS 1000 chocolate diesel ,
2.5 lbs out of a medium producer organic hydro 3 lbs same strain with AN.under a 600

Well Max, what really thru me off was the fact that the OP was concerned about her ph and EC fluctuation and somehow that went to you telling us about the 8 a light. I mean a fella such as yourself has to see the irony in her ppm doubling in 24hrs with a seedling that roots havent even hit water yet? Just thinking out loud Max, what do you think we ought to tell the little lady to do, eh Max?

 

[Budley Doright]

And poof goes another thread lol.

 

[Homie Da Clown]

No we are gonna keep it civilized. Me and Max or just working out the problem that she is having with good communication and team work.
Remember,,,
TEAM WORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK.................. EH MAX?

 

[max420thc]

Yes I agree that a ph of 7 wouldnt hurt if it was like 24 hrs or less. And yes I agree that DE does flower deeper,, but I disagree about you not needing to feed. But no big dick contest im way to busy for all that...

Something is seriously wrong that you doubled your ppm. The plant didnt drink no water, or at least no more than a few spoon fulls. So how much water did it go down in a day?

I would set my pH around 5.6 hydro and let it drift back to around seven every day and then reset the pH at 5.6 . Soils , and I know soil is not hydro but a plant will be ok at seven . If the grower has a dry environment like many do in the winter wouldn't it evaporated some of the water?
Sometimes it is hard to know not being on site.
Depending on some nutes especially powdered nutes if they have not disolved completely when you first dose would also explain a raise in ppm?
Did you ever go look at my plants?
Pictures and more of them are also posted on psycadelibuds journal .
Several of them.

 

[Wisher2]

Well Max, what really thru me off was the fact that the OP was concerned about her ph and EC fluctuation and somehow that went to you telling us about the 8 a light. I mean a fella such as yourself has to see the irony in her ppm doubling in 24hrs with a seedling that roots havent even hit water yet? Just thinking out loud Max, what do you think we ought to tell the little lady to do, eh Max?

I just dont understand why these trolls get on and steer people under the bridge
I went and looked at his "information" he is freely giving on some other thread....def a online persona
with someone elses pics and all

it is just rediculous

@cjsbabygirl313
I would suggest just getting the pom and ph under control
hand watering a few times a day

once you get that under control and the roots hit the nutes they will take off

 

[Budley Doright]

No we are gonna keep it civilized. Me and Max or just working out the problem that she is having with good communication and team work.
Remember,,,
TEAM WORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK.................. EH MAX?

Well that’s good and yup like I say there are lots of good things to be learned and some nots so good here, hopefully op picks the good ones lol. No one way works for everyone the same, to many variables.

 

[max420thc]

Well Max, what really thru me off was the fact that the OP was concerned about her ph and EC fluctuation and somehow that went to you telling us about the 8 a light. I mean a fella such as yourself has to see the irony in her ppm doubling in 24hrs with a seedling that roots havent even hit water yet? Just thinking out loud Max, what do you think we ought to tell the little lady to do, eh Max?

The OP doesn't know me from Jack.
If the OP does not know me how can she trust what I say?
I just watched a room full of experienced growers and only one mentioned something is off.
So this room full of growers all of them so called sit and watch this new grower make a serious error and not say anything about what's up and start questioning ?
Give me a brake.
How many people make claims like that the can not back it up? If I were you only seeing one gram a watt grows I think I would be scepticle also.
So I don't blame you at all for calling bull shit.
But as I am not by my computer's side and cannot post here I told you where to find my pictures.
If this new grower is going to take someone advice it would be good for them to now whoever they take the advice from knows what they are talking about.
If I was giving you advice and my grow looked like shit I would hope you would not take that advice .
The way to become a better grower is find growers that are better then yourself sit down and watch and ask ten million questions . .
Most growers are pretty cool( not all ) and will help you.
Or they should

 

[Wisher2]

I would set my pH around 5.6 hydro and let it drift back to around seven every day and then reset the pH at 5.6 . Soils , and I know soil is not hydro but a plant will be ok at seven . If the grower has a dry environment like many do in the winter wouldn't it evaporated some of the water?
Sometimes it is hard to know not being on site.
Depending on some nutes especially powdered nutes if they have not disolved completely when you first dose would also explain a raise in ppm?
Did you ever go look at my plants?
Pictures and more of them are also posted on psycadelibuds journal .
Several of them.

do you know how the rhizosphere works in soil vs soilless vs aquaculture
7 is NOT ok in aquaculture

in soil and soilless the rhizospere regulates its own ph where in aquaculture you regulate the ph
anything over 6.2 and you will stress the plant and lock out micronutrients leading to an overload or certain +ion intake causing a burning effect

on another note

why would a bucket of nutes jump from 1.0ec/ph 5.5
to 1.4ec/ph7

 

[Homie Da Clown]

I would set my pH around 5.6 hydro and let it drift back to around seven every day and then reset the pH at 5.6 . Soils , and I know soil is not hydro but a plant will be ok at seven . If the grower has a dry environment like many do in the winter wouldn't it evaporated some of the water?
Sometimes it is hard to know not being on site.
Depending on some nutes especially powdered nutes if they have not disolved completely when you first dose would also explain a raise in ppm?
Did you ever go look at my plants?
Pictures and more of them are also posted on psycadelibuds journal .
Several of them.

I agree on the 5.6 and let it rise to 6.2 and then drop it back again. I do not agree with going past 6.2
I also agree that her RH must be 5% and she is evaporating the shit out of it, because there is no where else it could go.. The seedling didnt drink it.
I dont think the undissolved theory will hold water tho, even tho I get what your saying, but OP has more sense that to not mix it good because we covered that a page or two back.
And I also agree hard to know what someones environment is.... but her symptoms say low rh, light too close and leaf temps too high. and poss to much light with lack of good rooting system.
And no I didnt go look at your pics, pick one and post it here,,
Do you raise your kids and work for a living?
If so then I respect you, and could care less about the quality of your plants.
You dont got to prove nothing to me...I take you at your word...


As for OP, how do you take measurements on your buckets?

 

[max420thc]

I just dont understand why these trolls get on and steer people under the bridge
I went and looked at his "information" he is freely giving on some other thread....def a online persona
with someone elses pics and all

it is just rediculous

@cjsbabygirl313
I would suggest just getting the pom and ph under control
hand watering a few times a day

once you get that under control and the roots hit the nutes they will take off

This is exactly what I am getting at.
If a person takes different advice from everyone , who's advice to you take?
Here this dude is calling me a troll with fake pictures and he doesn't even know me . If he went and looked he would see a 6 lb one thousand watt pull.
Not one lamp but several .
And he would see a 600 watt 3 lb pull .
But it's all fake

 

[Homie Da Clown]

do you know how the rhizosphere works in soil vs soilless vs aquaculture
7 is NOT ok in aquaculture

in soil and soilless the rhizospere regulates its own ph where in aquaculture you regulate the ph
anything over 6.2 and you will stress the plant and lock out micronutrients leading to an overload or certain +ion intake causing a burning effect

on another note

why would a bucket of nutes jump from 1.0ec/ph 5.5
to 1.4ec/ph7

The ph and EC jumping says we got a serious problem in the hydroton

 

[Wisher2]

This is exactly what I am getting at.
If a person takes different advice from everyone , who's advice to you take?
Here this dude is calling me a troll with fake pictures and he doesn't even know me . If he went and looked he would see a 6 lb one thousand watt pull.
Not one lamp but several .
And he would see a 600 watt 3 lb pull .
But it's all fake

I did look
and no it dosnt look like a 6# pull
maybe from 4 lights but not 1
sorry pal
again
I dont need to know you
I have been here since 07
I know what I have seen over the years
sorry
when I see commercial hit 6# a light I will come talk to you about your technique

 

[max420thc]

Air stones will evaporated water and raise pH. A grower has nothing to do with it going to seven by morning unless you are using a auto doser for pH.
It never hurt my plants or many others plants as most resivoirs with aurstobes in them will raise the pH by the best day.
It will raise through all the levels the plant uptakes micro and macro nutes at. Then reajust the pH the next day and top off the res

 

[max420thc]

The ph and EC jumping says we got a serious problem in the hydroton

Good theory

 

[max420thc]

do you know how the rhizosphere works in soil vs soilless vs aquaculture
7 is NOT ok in aquaculture

in soil and soilless the rhizospere regulates its own ph where in aquaculture you regulate the ph
anything over 6.2 and you will stress the plant and lock out micronutrients leading to an overload or certain +ion intake causing a burning effect

on another note

why would a bucket of nutes jump from 1.0ec/ph 5.5
to 1.4ec/ph7

When you can show me a three pounds 600 watt pull I will listen to you. Or a 4 lb 1000 watt pull you might be worth listening to .2 grams a watt is all

 

[Homie Da Clown]

I just dont understand why these trolls get on and steer people under the bridge
I went and looked at his "information" he is freely giving on some other thread....def a online persona
with someone elses pics and all

it is just rediculous

@cjsbabygirl313
I would suggest just getting the pom and ph under control
hand watering a few times a day

once you get that under control and the roots hit the nutes they will take off

im gonna just take your word on it about his profile etc...
I mean it isnt our first rodeo...
Op isnt stupid, she follow the right ppl...
If he is, lets just let him get bored and fall off then...
Im not into the meat head shit tonight..
I just finished 10 hrs at work and transplanting 24 clones straight in the door...
Im hungry and tired....

 

[Homie Da Clown]

Well got these scragglers in there...
You see the twist on the leaf.. She gets that from her parent, gg4..

 

[Budley Doright]

I’m going to bed lol.