When/How Much Defoliation?

[sparkygeek]

My plants would be outrageous if i didnt trim,prune defoliate all mean the same thing.

But some people take the word offensively

By definition it is the act of removing leaves.

Either 1 leaf or the whole thing your still technically defoliating unless i just dont have a grasp on the language

I consider defoliating the act of removing leaves... I cut branches off the bottom... Sure, there are leaves on the branches but the leaves are being removed only because they're attached to bud sites that, once removed, allow more energy to be focused on higher bud sites... I do remove damaged or diseased leaves but in general I consider the leaves as providing energy to the flowers so, in this case, leaving the leaves and cutting lower branches actually do the same thing, provide more energy to the bud... I consider defoliating as taking energy away from the flower... I regard the act of defoliating as counter-productive to getting the biggest bud... I don't take the word offensively at all.

With my HPS grows I lose a lot of leaves when I switch to flower... If I were to take all the fan leaves off, the plant would not be able to respond as well to spikes in energy demand... Once the fan leaves are gone, the sugar leaves become the next primary source in order to cover increased energy demands of the bud... I'm sure outdoor and LED grows have different considerations.

 

[grandvapor]

whats wrong with your tap water?

470 PPM out of the tap.

 

[Cold$moke]

I consider defoliating the act of removing leaves... I cut branches off the bottom... Sure, there are leaves on the branches but the leaves are being removed only because they're attached to bud sites that, once removed, allow more energy to be focused on higher bud sites... I do remove damaged or diseased leaves but in general I consider the leaves as providing energy to the flowers so, in this case, leaving the leaves and cutting lower branches actually do the same thing, provide more energy to the bud... I consider defoliating as taking energy away from the flower... I regard the act of defoliating as counter-productive to getting the biggest bud... I don't take the word offensively at all.

With my HPS grows I lose a lot of leaves when I switch to flower... If I were to take all the fan leaves off, the plant would not be able to respond as well to spikes in energy demand... Once the fan leaves are gone, the sugar leaves become the next primary source in order to cover increased energy demands of the bud... I'm sure outdoor and LED grows have different considerations.

If you prune trim defoliate you still removed material from the plant

Telling your self its not defoliating doesnt make it so

I totally agree it redirects energy to the higher bud sites

Which i thought i explained earlier as weed is an atypical plant it will send its energy to the higest level .

Im not trying to sound like a dick and i apologize if thats the way it comes out.


But its funny when people say they dont defoliate ..... yet they remove the bottom third off the plant

 

[Cold$moke]

Its semantics at its finest

 

[Cold$moke]

Leaves are needed more outdoors because the sun has the power to penetrate much deeper then any grow light can.


In nature leaves fall off .

In a dialed setup in hydro 0 leaves fall not even cotyledons.


Again i have taken MUTLIPLE buckets worth of leaves off the big girl in the back .

In fact if you visit my journal ill be posting a defoliation picture 2 weeks into flower as i stop plucking at 3 weeks

 

[grandvapor]

This tap water wrecked my last coco grow. Had to buy an RO Buddie on Amazon. Best 60 bucks I ever spent. Get's me down to 8 ppm.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

"i had to go buy another 5 gallon bucket to halve the solution"....you had to go buy another bucket, not a 5 gallon bucket of RO water....i'm slow sometimes.....i thought you had to go buy 5 gallons of RO water....

 

[grandvapor]

"i had to go buy another 5 gallon bucket to halve the solution"....you had to go buy another bucket, not a 5 gallon bucket of RO water....i'm slow sometimes.....i thought you had to go buy 5 gallons of RO water....

Sorry I may not have written that post clearly. RO for the win though!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Sorry I may not have written that post clearly. RO for the win though!

no, don't blame yourself....
i have an ro system, but i just use it for the humidifier mostly, i'm lucky, the city water here bounces between 120 ppm the day after they treat the water, down to about 20 right before they do it again, about once a week.

 

[Johnny Lawrence]

no, don't blame yourself....
i have an ro system, but i just use it for the humidifier mostly, i'm lucky, the city water here bounces between 120 ppm the day after they treat the water, down to about 20 right before they do it again, about once a week.

We wish out here. SD water is closer to 4 to 500 ppm. From what I've read, Long Beach clocks in at 6 to 700 ppm.

Our water is glittery.

 

[grandvapor]

We wish out here. SD water is closer to 4 to 500 ppm. From what I've read, Long Beach clocks in at 6 to 700 ppm.

Our water is glittery.

Yeah I think my cities' reservoir must be on a bed of limestone or something. 470 ppm sucks. I don't even use it for coffee or soup. Ice tastes like shit.

 

[Johnny Lawrence]

Yeah I think my cities' reservoir must be on a bed of limestone or something. 470 ppm sucks. I don't even use it for coffee or soup. Ice tastes like shit.

My HydroLogic brings it down to about 20 ppm when the filters are brand new.

 

[grandvapor]

My HydroLogic brings it down to about 20 ppm when the filters are brand new.

I'm super happy with this RO system. It was like 65 bucks on Amazon. I bought a shower diverter and an adapter at Menards so I can run the filter from my shower with a valve. I've done at least a hundred gallons through it and it's still holding steady at 8 ppm without the de-ionizing filter.

https://www.amazon.com/Aquatic-Life-Reverse-Osmosis-50-Gallon/dp/B00DOG64FM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520310343&sr=8-1&keywords=ro+buddie&th=1

 

[grandvapor]

Wow I guess it's finally starting to wear out...

 

[Cold$moke]

My well is at 180ppm 7.5ph

Yea @400+ you definitely need hard water nutes

 

[Johnny Lawrence]

My well is at 180ppm 7.5ph

Yea @400+ you definitely need hard water nutes

HydroLogic RO 1000 handles the job. Though I have to swap the filters out once a year and they're expensive af.

 

[Cold$moke]

HydroLogic RO 1000 handles the job. Though I have to swap the filters out once a year and they're expensive af.

Thanks bro i got a tiny in home ro machine i just havent hooked it up my well ppm is mostly iron and calcium.
Not too bad but never tried ro either to be fair

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

ro water is just water you need to add cal-mag to. people talk about it like it's some kind of alchemical reagent, it's just water with very little dissolved solids. actually not even good for your plants till you add stuff to it, can cause reverse osmosis if you use it on plants straight

 

[Cold$moke]

ro water is just water you need to add cal-mag to. people talk about it like it's some kind of alchemical reagent, it's just water with very little dissolved solids. actually not even good for your plants till you add stuff to it, can cause reverse osmosis if you use it on plants straight

Agreed if you can run your tap run it .


Anything over 250 ppms and i would be getting a gard water formula or have your water tested and omit those elements from a salt based nutrient.

Although you cant beat ro for leaching calcuim and flushing nutes right outa your plant haha

 

[Terry385]

cheap but works.. I replace once a year hooks to sink faucet
https://www.ebay.com/itm/pH-Alkaline-4-Stage-Portable-Home-Drinking-Reverse-Osmosis-Water-Filter-System/182159232774?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649