Stop Blaming 'Both Sides' for America's Climate Failures

zeddd

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Solar is pretty much perfect, we've got storage down and there's trillions of watts wasted per day across the surface of the earth. If every building had panels on the roof, etc that'd be more than enough.
The solar farms in the UK take unproductive farmland and kit them out with panels. They have sheep to keep the vegetation low and they farm the animals for meat. Over a 25 year period the land is fertile again thanks to the sheep.
Clean f coal is a joke.
 

peabody2018

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The solar farms in the UK take unproductive farmland and kit them out with panels. They have sheep to keep the vegetation low and they farm the animals for meat. Over a 25 year period the land is fertile again thanks to the sheep.
Clean f coal is a joke.
But unable to be farmed because of the solar panels
 

ttystikk

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Define how we're "not there on storage yet".

You can literally run your house on laptop batteries.
Sure- but is it an affordable solution for the majority of the target market?

I think not.

Here's a car powered by laptop batteries, and no one thinks it was affordable for the masses;
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ttystikk

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But unable to be farmed because of the solar panels
Absolutely untrue. Properly installed, it's entirely possible to farm effectively under a solar panel array. In many cases it can actually improve productivity and reduce water consumption.
 

ttystikk

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No, it was Republicans.

I don't know why you need to dress up your posts with big words. A psychologist might be able to explain but I'll just point out the result.

Using Big Words Doesn’t Always Make You Sound Smarter
https://lifehacker.com/using-big-words-doesn-t-always-make-you-sound-smarter-1737035773

Essentially, the more complicated language you try to use, the higher the chance it will backfire on you. You might come off sounding like a phony, or like someone who isn’t intelligent enough to understand their audience. Keep things simple and focus on getting your message across, not trying to sound impressive.
Lol nice attempt at deflection but no, both parties are part of the neoliberal problem.
 

Fogdog

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Lol nice attempt at deflection but no, both parties are part of the neoliberal problem.
Oh that word. You don't understand the meaning of that one.

For example, you call Clinton neoliberal. I await your declaration that she was.

Because you don't understand the meaning of the word.

I mean, using the English language well is not rocket fuel.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Oh that word. You don't understand the meaning of that one.

For example, you call Clinton neoliberal. I await your declaration that she was.

Because you don't understand the meaning of the word.

I mean, using the English language well is not rocket fuel.
Derp.

She fits the definition very well.
 

SneekyNinja

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Iter is expecting first plasma in 2025.

Its literally the most complicated machine humanity has ever built, the magnets alone weight something like 45 tons.

Solar, wind, tide and fusion combo is what I expect we'll arrive at someday in the next 100 years.

What's left of the oil can be used for plastics then.

Sure- but is it an affordable solution for the majority of the target market?

I think not.

Here's a car powered by laptop batteries, and no one thinks it was affordable for the masses;
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A "power wall" and 4KW worth of panels will set you back less than 20k and in most places would be sufficient to live completely off grid.
 

SneekyNinja

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Do you know much about the development of plasma physics recently? I don’t but the experts are developing it so it will work, hope doesn’t come into it, science is what it needs
Even on less developed/older style fusion reactors they've nearly reached unity.

Iter and a couple of the other big name projects only need a very slight increase over previous generations to become net producers of energy.

After that the commercialization process occurs and thats when things usually get interesting, because once the groundbreaking stuff is done and well known, all of a sudden further research is generally private industry competing to improve the design for profit reasons.

Once we master fusion the potential is ridiculous, how long before we start using it to generate specific matter?
 

zeddd

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Even on less developed/older style fusion reactors they've nearly reached unity.

Iter and a couple of the other big name projects only need a very slight increase over previous generations to become net producers of energy.

After that the commercialization process occurs and thats when things usually get interesting, because once the groundbreaking stuff is done and well known, all of a sudden further research is generally private industry competing to improve the design for profit reasons.

Once we master fusion the potential is ridiculous, how long before we start using it to generate specific matter?
Interesting, once they develop metallic hydrogen we will have room temp superconductors, couple this with fusion generation and the mind boggles
 

peabody2018

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Absolutely untrue. Properly installed, it's entirely possible to farm effectively under a solar panel array. In many cases it can actually improve productivity and reduce water consumption.
There’s a reason farmers don’t plant their crops under tree
 
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