best nutrients to use in hydro

Bernie420

Bernie420

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I flower with 1000 watt hps what are you guys flowering with? Is that why you guys like the low ec 1.2 is 600 ppm that isnt shit my grandma can drink that.

I veg under t-5's 1.2 is ok under those lights. Until I get the lights I want for this area of my grow having these for veg is keeping me back from scaling up the light intensity for the time right before I go into flower. Need new hoods and dimmable ballasts, work out these nutes and im good.

And or what size plants do you flower? I usually get 4-5 zips of nice nugs after its all done per plant. Less if I fuck something up, 2-4 zips depend on how big they are when I go into flower. Lets just say I average 4 zips of choice nugs per plant on average so we dont get confused about my ramblings. I usually veg for about 3-4 months. All this weight talk is dependent on how big and how it goes and means nothing with me learning about proper nutrient raio's or dry nutes or switching nutes, not trying to brag, I dont even think thats bragging to me that isnt a lot, but if you have small plants then you dont need to have high ppm's is what im saying
 
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Bernie420

Bernie420

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As far as these nutes go and these are just random numbers. If I add 1 gram per gallon of megacrop 9.7/5.5/14 and I get 100 ppm from that lets say. That will be a 100 ppm of megacrop at a ratio of 9.7/5.5/14. Yes no. So if I add 100 grams per gallon of megacrop 9.7/5.5/14 and I get 10000 ppm from that lets say. That will be 10000 ppm of megacrop at a ratio of 9.7/5.5/14.

thats how it works right or it doesnt scale like that?

SO in using the megacrop ppm calculator if I wanted to feed my plants this

55 gallons 800 grams.

Element PPM calculation
Total Nitrogen (N)
384.2522

Nitrate Nitrogen (NO3-)
368.8638

Ammonical Nitrogen (NH4+)
15.3704

Phosphorous (P)
92.2258

Potassium (K)
462.4945

Magnesium (Mg)
73.0066

Calcium (Ca)
249.7590

Sulfur (S)
42.2674

Iron (Fe)
3.0744

Zinc (Zn)
4.2261

Boron (B)
3.0744

Manganese (Mn)
3.0744

Copper (Cu)
1.9211

Molybdenum (Mo)
0.3839

Silicon (Si)
3.8422

Total PPM 1323.6349

Im ok to do that but you guys dont like your nutes that hot and with these nutrients megacrop 9.7/5.5/14 I am a little heavy on the nitrogen for a flower nute. I get that. So with what I post above here Ill have a nutient solution made by a company called megacrop at a ratio of 9.7/5.5/14 that is about 1323.6349 ppm's. And i'm ok to do that. and I might be low on iron if I add mpk am I correct or no. (fyi I dont think im going to go that hot but didnt want to go find a new example but you get the idea)

I think when I read this:

my bloom numbers look like this

2:1:3 RATIO NPK +/- depending on my mood and stage

80 to 120 ppm N
40 to 60 ppm P
150 to 180 ppm K
100 ppm Ca
50 pm Mg

veg

120 to 130 ppm N
35 ppm P +/-
130 to 150 ppm K
100 Ca
50 Mg

I usually sit between EC 1.2 to 1.4 max at full strength


It confused me and that I shouldnt go hotter its just that this guy doesnt like to go hotter. and then when I ran the ppm calculator and seen 384.2522 for nitrogen (pick any npk number it doesnt matter) that made my brain swell and got me thinking im screwing up these new nutes.
 
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im4satori

im4satori

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lol

ok gotta slow down im having trouble with a response

im happy to help and im not going anywhere...... I will try and answers as many of the questions as I recall

remember im a stoner lol

about the EC and your potential for deficiency

consider a few possibilities

1) its not uncommon for over fertilization to look and act like def... its called lock out

2) if your nutes are out of balance between elements ... you could experience a def in a single element but still be over feeding... if your mix is loaded with P and S that will drive the EC up and if its also low in N you could be nutrient def in N but also feeding too high an EC from the shit loads of whatever else is in excess


next
the nutes you have

calcium nitrate
chem grow
mega
epsom

and mkp if you want to play around a bit down the road.... are all you need and we can get your mix straight with that
 
im4satori

im4satori

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chem gro 4-20 mix
full strenght bloom per gallon

2 grams mix
2 grams epsom
2 grams calnite

N 103
P 46
K 172
Ca 100
Mg 50


optional (not required): late bloom mix reducing N and increasing P

1.5 grams mix
1.5 grams Epsom
0.5 grams mkp
1.6 grams calnite

N 81
P 65
K 166
Ca 80
Mg 40
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Ok if Itake 1 gram of megacrop 9.7/5.5/14 and I add 1 gram of mpk 0/52/34 will I get a nutrient of 9.7/57.5/48. And a different one here if I take 1 gram of megacrop 9.7/5.5/14 and add 1/2 grams of mpk will i get a nutrient of 9.7/31.5/31

Is that correct?? y/n

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on a separate note:
I suppose like I said I should just the mega in veg through week two of flower and then switch to chem-gro and little calcium nitrate and a little mpk as needed. the chem-gro doesnt have calcium in it so I have to add that I cant just use chem-gro alone as a bloom nute?? is that correct?? And then if I add the calcium nitrate I have to add some mpk to keep my ratio that is ever changing?? is that correct?
 
im4satori

im4satori

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veg using mega crop

per gallon full strength

5 grams mega crop
1 gram Epsom

nothing more...that's it

but the iron levels are low in this nute and you might experience iron def... I recommend an iron supplements to boost iron or using something different

imo the mega crop is a bad choice fro bloom and shouldn't be used as a bloom mix, I don't see a way to make it work its to much trouble and not worth it

veg only...get some iron, tell me what the % is and I can recommend how much to add
 
im4satori

im4satori

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youll no
Bernie420 said:
Ok if Itake 1 gram of megacrop 9.7/5.5/14 and I add 1 gram of mpk 0/52/34 will I get a nutrient of 9.7/57.5/48. And a different one here if I take 1 gram of megacrop 9.7/5.5/14 and add 1/2 grams of mpk will i get a nutrient of 9.7/31.5/31

Is that correct?? y/n

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on a separate note:
I suppose like I said I should just the mega in veg through week two of flower and then switch to chem-gro and little calcium nitrate and a little mpk as needed. the chem-gro doesnt have calcium in it so I have to add that I cant just use chem-gro alone as a bloom nute?? is that correct?? And then if I add the calcium nitrate I have to add some mpk to keep my ratio that is ever changing?? is that correct?
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im not sure what your trying to do here

whatever it is don't lol

that's not how it works sorry
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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right on I am on the megacrop now just started that for flower since ----1. I was thinking of just using that company from now on and 2. that guy posted he got shit off of it so I wanted to give it a try to compare what I have done in the past with the megacrop . To get to the bottom of it / the results does it work is it good, should I use it in flower. I cant just go by what he said and not use it so I need to see what i can do with it but I dont have to.
 
im4satori

im4satori

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mix it the way I suggested

if you want a stronger EC mix it the same way but with less water
if you want a weaker EC mix it the same way with more water
 
im4satori

im4satori

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Bernie420 said:
right on I am on the megacrop now just started that for flower since ----1. I was thinking of just using that company from now on and 2. that guy posted he got shit off of it so I wanted to give it a try to compare what I have done in the past with the megacrop . To get to the bottom of it / the results does it work is it good, should I use it in flower. I cant just go by what he said and not use it so I need to see what i can do with it but I dont have to.
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good luck
I wish you the best and im sending positive vibes
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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im4satori said:
mix it the way I suggested

if you want a stronger EC mix it the same way but with less water
if you want a weaker EC mix it the same way with more water
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Her we go: why cant I mix more nutrients in the same amount of water. I have an 18 gallon rez then it goes up to 25 gallon then the flower is the 40-50 gallon res / lets just say 50 on that last one.

Wouldnt adding more nutrients be the same as adding less water??
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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im4satori said:
I don't know what your talking about
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Those are just fake nutrient numbers dont I add two different bottled nute i'll get a nutrient amount of the two added. Thats how I learned it I can find a video of a grow boss video that says it but I didnt learn it there I just know that he said the same thing and I can find the video.
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Bernie420 said:
Her we go: why cant I mix more nutrients in the same amount of water. I have an 18 gallon rez then it goes up to 25 gallon then the flower is the 40-50 gallon res / lets just say 50 on that last one.

Wouldnt adding more nutrients be the same as adding less water??
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and vice versa
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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so this is ok:
SO in using the megacrop ppm calculator if I wanted to feed my plants this

55 gallons 800 grams.

Element PPM calculation
Total Nitrogen (N)
384.2522

Nitrate Nitrogen (NO3-)
368.8638

Ammonical Nitrogen (NH4+)
15.3704

Phosphorous (P)
92.2258

Potassium (K)
462.4945

Magnesium (Mg)
73.0066

Calcium (Ca)
249.7590

Sulfur (S)
42.2674

Iron (Fe)
3.0744

Zinc (Zn)
4.2261

Boron (B)
3.0744

Manganese (Mn)
3.0744

Copper (Cu)
1.9211

Molybdenum (Mo)
0.3839

Silicon (Si)
3.8422

Total PPM 1323.6349

we agree on that I can use the same amount of water and just add more or less nutes and go by my ppm meter to have an idea of what I am feeding it/how strong.
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Lets try this what do I get if i add one gram of calcium nitrate and one gram of chem-gro thats a 19.5/20/39 isnt it. Thats my ratio right?
 
im4satori

im4satori

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im not sure what you expect me to say

I gave you my opinion on the feed strengths now it up to you to do what you want with that info

if you want to feed your plants triple what I recommend... go for it!
 
im4satori

im4satori

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Bernie420 said:
im4satori you posted this

without spending oodles of time on it I can tell you already based on what you've provided that id not try and make a "bloom" nute formula from this particular brand
it can be done but its going to require an iron supplement

in order to get the N down you could use less mega and add in mkp and that would fix your ratio but youll end up with to little iron if its reduced (according to the numbers you posted)

so ill have low iron ok so how much mpk would I add here to make this a flower nute? per gram per gallon
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if you get some iron it could maybe be used but why not just use the chem gro since it better for bloom?

trying to force the mega grow into a bloom ratio will yield an inferior mix, it might work but it wont be ideal
 
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