Does The Government Have The Right to Claim Ownership of The Earth's Resources?

[Rob Roy]

Do you think people should be able to overfish because they like fishing ?

Only if they own the fish.

 

[Rob Roy]

I want to know the view points of each member of the forum.


I say;

No!!


The Earth provides for everybody not just a certain group of individuals

Government is just a collection of people who claim the right to boss other people around. It's a contradictory concept in its present form, in that it purports to be exempt from things which are verboten for other normal people to do.



Modern day governments aren't based in "right" , they are based in "wrong" so what they can or cannot do is like saying, should rapists be able to hold bingo nights to raise money to paint their clubhouse?

My qualified answer to your question is no, because "government" has no right to exist to begin with in the form it presently takes.

 

[peabody2018]

Governments have fuck all to do with the worlds resources.

Mining company's do, all the mining company has to do is pay the government for a lease (oh an few sneaky underhanded payments/donations to lube the way). Then they can do whatever fuck they want.

Ever heard of a blanket lease. A mining company can blanket lease 1000's of square miles/km and own mineral rights to everything. preventing any small prospecter/fossicer to legally touch anything of value.

Mining outfits often actually own the land they are mining on.
There are all kinds of regulations mining companies must comply with

 

[Rob Roy]

Mining outfits often actually own the land they are mining on.
There are all kinds of regulations most ning companies must comply with

Your post implies two separate things.

First it says the mining company owns the land. Then it says an outside entity has at least some controls over the land, which implies the outside entity has an ownership interest in the land.

Since the outside entity has imposed regulations that the supposed owner, the mining company, MUST comply with, wouldn't it be more accurate to describe the relationship as the mining company is a tenant and the outside entity is the real landlord of that piece of land ?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Mining outfits often actually own the land they are mining on.
There are all kinds of regulations mining companies must comply with

Sometimes they do own the land. But most lucrative mines today are mining on public land. And those pesky regulations are rapidly being repealed, especially the clean air and water ones. Sure, the safety ones are a real headache but give them time.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Government is just a collection of people who claim the right to boss other people around. It's a contradictory concept in its present form, in that it purports to be exempt from things which are verboten for other normal people to do.



Modern day governments aren't based in "right" , they are based in "wrong" so what they can or cannot do is like saying, should rapists be able to hold bingo nights to raise money to paint their clubhouse?

My qualified answer to your question is no, because "government" has no right to exist to begin with in the form it presently takes.

It took you long enough to drag your sorry, tired rhetoric in here.

I don't even have to read your post to know what you said. Something about your right as an individual supersedes everybody else's to form a meaningful society and government?

Sorry, you got raped again.

 

[Rob Roy]

Sometimes they do own the land. But most lucrative mines today are mining on public land. And those pesky regulations are rapidly being repealed, especially the clean air and water ones. Sure, the safety ones are a real headache but give them time.

So if it's public land, any member of the alleged "public" has a right to go mine the land ?

If that isn't so, how could "the public" be said to be the owner if some other entity will prevent them from doing this ?

Also, potato, just in case you thought I forgot.

 

[Rob Roy]

It took you long enough to drag your sorry, tired rhetoric in here.

I don't even have to read your post to know what you said. Something about your right as an individual supersedes everybody else's to form a meaningful society and government?

Sorry, you got raped again.

That's a convenient way to avoid answering questions and build your premise on rules which contradict themselves.

Also, potato.

 

[peabody2018]

Your post implies two separate things.

First it says the mining company owns the land. Then it says an outside entity has at least some controls over the land, which implies the outside entity has an ownership interest in the land.

Since the outside entity has imposed regulations that the supposed owner, the mining company, MUST comply with, wouldn't it be more accurate to describe the relationship as the mining company is a tenant and the outside entity is the real landlord of that piece of land ?

Not sure what your point is. The same can be said for your home, auto, etc.

 

[Space_cadet]

Mining outfits often actually own the land they are mining on.
There are all kinds of regulations mining companies must comply with

Not hear in Australia. You can own the land and a mining company can come in lease it and destroy it in you. If you dont like it they will offer to buy you out otherwise tough

 

[Space_cadet]

Oh an you as the land owner do not even see a $ of the lease.

You may own the land but you do not own the minerals and resources on/under or above you land.

 

[Space_cadet]

So if it's public land, any member of the alleged "public" has a right to go mine the land ?

If that isn't so, how could "the public" be said to be the owner if some other entity will prevent them from doing this ?

Also, potato, just in case you thought I forgot.

No nobody has to right to mine, prospect or fossick unless they have applied and paid for a license.

You if you want to mine then have to find a productive area to to lease to your self (good luck because nearly everything is under 99 year blanket leases by larger mining companys) or you can buy someone's else's lease or sneak in an claim the lease when its expired before the previous owner an reapply for it. Or if you find a mineral or resource that is not covered by any current lease you can apply to mine for that paticiular mineral, but are not allowed to take anything that is covered by the other lease

Every way you look at it is bull shit.

 

[Rob Roy]

Not sure what your point is. The same can be said for your home, auto, etc.

I was questioning the way the meaning of the word "ownership" is applied in one way to some things, meaning the owner has control over the thing owned.

While in other situations, the word ownership is used and it doesn't include control over the thing alleged to be owned by the alleged owner. I don't think ownership is the right term for people to use there, but since it frequently is used in that situation, it escapes scrutiny and is commonly the word used. Not because it's the right word, because it's the word we've been trained to use.

 

[peabody2018]

I was questioning the way the meaning of the word "ownership" is applied in one way to some things, meaning the owner has control over the thing owned.

While in other situations, the word ownership is used and it doesn't include control over the thing alleged to be owned by the alleged owner. I don't think ownership is the right term for people to use there, but since it frequently is used in that situation, it escapes scrutiny and is commonly the word used. Not because it's the right word, because it's the word we've been trained to use.

What word would you prefer?

 

[Space_cadet]

I was questioning the way the meaning of the word "ownership" is applied in one way to some things, meaning the owner has control over the thing owned.

While in other situations, the word ownership is used and it doesn't include control over the thing alleged to be owned by the alleged owner. I don't think ownership is the right term for people to use there, but since it frequently is used in that situation, it escapes scrutiny and is commonly the word used. Not because it's the right word, because it's the word we've been trained to use.

In reality you dont own shit. The word "own" is only a comfort word when you think about it

Land ownership for e.g.

You dont really own it, you have paid for the right to build, live, farm l, ect. You can sell those rights or pass them on, but if some larger, richer entity takes interest in it for whatever reason and wants it. they can rip it out from under you through force whether you like it or not.

We dont truely own nothing anymore we just get to pay for the rights of use or access of curtain things. Even with these rights you still have to pay apply and be approved futhermore like just cause you have a car doesn't mean you can just drive it on the road, or if you land you cant just go build or do whatever

And wven if you have paid, applied and aprooved it can all be taken away from you legally by governmental forces
, courts and laws

 

[Unclebaldrick]

In reality you dont own shit. The word "own" is only a comfort word when you think about it

Land ownership for e.g.

You dont really own it, you have paid for the right to build, live, farm l, ect. You can sell those rights or pass them on, but if some larger, richer entity takes interest in it for whatever reason and wants it. they can rip it out from under you through force whether you like it or not.

We dont truely own nothing anymore we just get to pay for the rights of use or access of curtain things. Even with these rights you still have to pay apply and be approved futhermore like just cause you have a car doesn't mean you can just drive it on the road, or if you land you cant just go build or do whatever

And wven if you have paid, applied and aprooved it can all be taken away from you legally by governmental forces
, courts and laws

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[gwheels]

Well the fresh water in Canada is ours and we own it so back off. That is all.

 

[Space_cadet]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Swings both ways i guess

But the ball is definitely not in our court

Basically if you got enough $$$$$$ you got the right to do whatever the fuck you want

 

[Space_cadet]

Well the fresh water in Canada is ours and we own it so back off. That is all.

If that thought makes you feel better i won't bust it for ya

 

[ttystikk]

Well the fresh water in Canada is ours and we own it so back off. That is all.

Tell ALCAN.