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Tim1987

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In my opinion, and of course it just my opinion.
You're better of growing in huge grow bags/pots.
If you truly are expecting 100+ pounds. Better to grade it.
Use the trim, kiff and shake, to make the hash.
Grade your buds. Sell cheap ounces / pounds of tips and popcorn. Then mid grade, all the way up to your prized colas.
If you're selling pounds of primo, outdoor. It should fetch a decent price.
Believe it or not, you'll probably make better money, by selling your product, in grades of quality.
Just my 2 cents
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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GL with ya grow.

From what I understand the trimming machines are OK if your not chasing the higher dollars. If you are then you need human trimmers.

The Bush master did a 99 plant count on you tube with The Grow Boss and documented weights and $. May be worth a watch. It was green house.

Only other advice I might add is to spend lots of time on strain selection. To get the better dollars or ease of selling you need to grow what will be "hot" come harvest time.
 
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Flanigan

Flanigan

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NoTillPhil said:
I had no problem with you expecting 1 lb plants until I read each plant is getting 12 square ft maximum. That would not include aisles to work from in a 30 x 60 greenhouse, that's wall to wall plants. You will need to double the foot print of each plant if your expecting to see a pound per plant. 150 -65 gallon smart pots with proper spacing and good soil should get you there with a little know how. Of course mother nature could take a big shit on the best laid plans...
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Seems to me 15 gallon would do the trick
 
NoTillPhil

NoTillPhil

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Flanigan said:
Seems to me 15 gallon would do the trick
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I'd say 16 oz from 15 gallons is the upper end of realistic. it wouldn't change the footprint needed for the canopy either. It's not like he can go 15 gallons pot to pot and still expect 1 lb plants, he still needs space around them. I believe outdoors in a production mode it's recommended to put plants on 10 foot centers. Of course in that scenario you can expect more than a pound with good soil and full sun. I'm sticking with needing about 5x5 per plant minimum. If they go over a lb I'd expect to be crawling around or ducking to get between plants. Not good if moisture is an issue. Also very pest friendly, meaning any outbreaks will be hard to control if you can't maneuver around the plants and all plants are touching each other, helping to spread infestations. Insects are already hard to control in greenhouse grows.
 
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MinnyOutdoorGrower

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Tim1987 said:
Lol.
Exactly.
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No need for lime. PH levels are are about perfect. The ground will be worked with a moldboard plow. Like I said, it’s as black of dirt as you will fine. Growing in a pot is counter productive. 3-18-18-1 in furrow then foliar feeding the same analysis with a micro package. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a better crop nutrition program.
 
Novabudd

Novabudd

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I like the info 10' on centres, i've been scouring forums and posts looking for that. I'll be growing outside so i hope that 10' centre is still what i want. Thanks !:clap:
 
Novabudd

Novabudd

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757growin said:
You got prepaid? I can supply all your needs at half the cost of your sales. Save the work and time:bigjoint:
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So pal, listen i gotcha a real steal of a deal see. I got 100 acres of nice flat ground and no need to worry bout watering. Couple beavers thrown in :bigjoint:at no extra charge just cause i like ya. 8-)
 
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757growin

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Novabudd said:
So pal, listen i gotcha a real steal of a deal see. I got 100 acres of nice flat ground and no need to worry bout watering. Couple beavers thrown in :bigjoint:at no extra charge just cause i like ya. 8-)
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I already have 85 acres in san diego. But it is in the mtns. No beaver either.
 
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Tim1987

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MinnyOutdoorGrower said:
No need for lime. PH levels are are about perfect. The ground will be worked with a moldboard plow. Like I said, it’s as black of dirt as you will fine. Growing in a pot is counter productive. 3-18-18-1 in furrow then foliar feeding the same analysis with a micro package. I think you’d be hard pressed to find a better crop nutrition program.
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How many men do you have to help you?
If you're not in pots. What are you going to do about your weeds? You don't want to be covering your fertile ground with herbicides. There's gonna be grass and all sorts, popping up all day long.
A big pot would be movable with a tractor.
You're going to need something like gypsum. I didn't say lime. They are two different things.
By the sounds of the soil. It sounds like there's a lot of organics in it. Without something to help stop any PEDS over time, your soil is going to be very compacted.
Pots are simple, and care free.
 
Flanigan

Flanigan

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NoTillPhil said:
I'd say 16 oz from 15 gallons is the upper end of realistic. it wouldn't change the footprint needed for the canopy either. It's not like he can go 15 gallons pot to pot and still expect 1 lb plants, he still needs space around them. I believe outdoors in a production mode it's recommended to put plants on 10 foot centers. Of course in that scenario you can expect more than a pound with good soil and full sun. I'm sticking with needing about 5x5 per plant minimum. If they go over a lb I'd expect to be crawling around or ducking to get between plants. Not good if moisture is an issue. Also very pest friendly, meaning any outbreaks will be hard to control if you can't maneuver around the plants and all plants are touching each other, helping to spread infestations. Insects are already hard to control in greenhouse grows.
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So you would use bigger pots?
 
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MinnyOutdoorGrower

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Tim1987 said:
How many men do you have to help you?
If you're not in pots. What are you going to do about your weeds? You don't want to be covering your fertile ground with herbicides. There's gonna be grass and all sorts, popping up all day long.
A big pot would be movable with a tractor.
You're going to need something like gypsum. I didn't say lime. They are two different things.
By the sounds of the soil. It sounds like there's a lot of organics in it. Without something to help stop any PEDS over time, your soil is going to be very compacted.
Pots are simple, and care free.
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Why do I need gypsum? My calcium and sulfate levels are fine.

Compaction? No, I’m not concerned. The root mass of my plants will be phenomenal due to the in-furrow fertilizer. Also, the seeds were treated zinc.

Not too concerned about weed pressure. I’ve got a black landscape fabric down.

I have 1 partner. I’ll hire additional help as needed.
 
Flanigan

Flanigan

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MinnyOutdoorGrower said:
Why do I need gypsum? My calcium and sulfate levels are fine.

Compaction? No, I’m not concerned. The root mass of my plants will be phenomenal due to the in-furrow fertilizer. Also, the seeds were treated zinc.

Not too concerned about weed pressure. I’ve got a black landscape fabric down.

I have 1 partner. I’ll hire additional help as needed.
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I was gonna say black shade cloth but I haven't used it personally
 
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Tim1987

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MinnyOutdoorGrower said:
Why do I need gypsum? My calcium and sulfate levels are fine.

Compaction? No, I’m not concerned. The root mass of my plants will be phenomenal due to the in-furrow fertilizer. Also, the seeds were treated zinc.

Not too concerned about weed pressure. I’ve got a black landscape fabric down.

I have 1 partner. I’ll hire additional help as needed.
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I love your enthusiasm. I really do.
Dream big. Grow big.
But I really think you're underestimating, the amount of work that's needed, in such a garden.
It's gonna be a full time job, for two of you. Just keeping the plants maintained.
What was your soil's analysis? Can you show us all the numbers? I'm dying to know.
Npk. Trace elements. Everything.
Can you flick a pic?
You must be growing, on an old volcano.......

Have you done a percolation test?
Porosity test?
Is your soil pedal, or apedal?
Have you formed a bolus? Done the ribbon test?
How about testing for dispersion?
Do you have silt, or clay?


Honestly. It's inspiring. I'd love to know.
 
NoTillPhil

NoTillPhil

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Flanigan said:
So you would use bigger pots?
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Yes. If it were me I would go with less plants and bigger than 15 gallon pots. I'm not opposed to growing in the ground either. I just have not seen previously farmed soil that needs no amending at all. It's not surprising NPK and micronutrients are present in sufficient amounts but I would expect to be able to improve drainage. I'm actually doing half in the ground and half in smart pots this year because I'm in a fertile river valley and expect to be able to improve the soil enough with compost, rice hulls and peat. I'm in slightly alkaline soil so dragging down PH is not a concern.

I'm not familiar with what kind of season MN has other than likely shorter than most of the U.S.. Here in CO, if given the chance to do that space I would go with 18 plants per house. To meet the OP expectation you would need about 4 lbs per plant. That's not to say it can't be done a dozen other ways.
 
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