CobKits
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which are you talking about? both work. HPS takes more energy to create the same photons though
CXB3590 versus Quantum Boards
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skoomd
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HLG 135w kit is good for a 2x2 and you can pay to get it prebuilt, though it would only take 10 minutes to do it yourself. 200w of these LEDs in there is way overkill for a veg tent. 135w will flower a 2x2 out nicely.
If you only plan to veg, you could honestly get away with only 75-100 watts easily.
Aolelon
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That doesnt matter. Technology progresses regardless of whether something works or not. Televisions work and they have progressed every year for the least 60-70 years. Same with computer technology. That's a pretty stupid statement imo.
genuity
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Maybe the hps producers feel they have reached a sweet spot,and feel no need to keep tinkering?
Aolelon
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No.
skoomd
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Then they will fall behind other growers who can adapt to changes in technology and technique. Simple as that.
If they cared about their hobby, they would make a valiant effort to learn new techniques and implement them, and research the latest and greatest technologies like lights to grow the best weed they can.
Again, if you're AT ALL decent at growing and aren't just winging it and getting lucky, it should be EASY to switch from HPS to LEDs. Especially if you talk to others who have swapped too and learn from their observations.
genuity
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What?
Tv's, people like to buy shit,com on now..it was nothing wrong with the glass tv's ..lol
Advancements in technology is not always a good thing.
Good thing yo "opinion" don't matter.
genuity
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Talking about the people who make hps/hid lighting.
"The best weed"
So the weed I smoke now(grown under de) gets me high as shit,and smells good & tastes the same.. will be 100x better under led/cob/QB? If so that may kill me.
That's the only part I do not get.
Aolelon
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Dude. Companies are always going to try and improve product. Improved product means improved sells. You're telling me HPS makers are any different from any other company? No that is a ridiculous statement backed my nothing. Please name one company who has a product line that they dont continually try to improve.
Nobody is saying weed grown under led is 100x better. Please post where anyone has said that.
skoomd
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It is when fossil fuel based electricty is wasted in ungodly amounts by inefficient, old technology like lighting. That's why incandescents were banned. And judging by how many manufacturers are no longer making CFL bulbs, i'd say flourecents will be banned soon too. If the entire world suddenly swapped over to efficient LEDs, that would reduce power consumption in the USA alone by about 175 billion kilawatts a year.
Just imagine if you were a commercial grower for a second. And you had a flower room with 20x 1000w (20,000w) DEHPS lights. Which needs an incredible amount of AC (20,000w or so) to keep under control. Plus $1500-2000 a year in replacement parts.
If you upgraded to 750w of today's LEDs (15,000w) to replace each DEHPS and cut back on AC to 15,000w, that's about $9000 of electricity saved every year, and about $11,000 saved in total every year. The LEDs would cost you about $12-15,000. So within a year and 3 months, the lights are payed for and they continue to save you $11,000 a year. That's not even accounting for the fact commerical grows report less water/nutrient use when going LEDs as well.
Not bad considering that setup would only profit you about $5000-7000 worth of product every harvest.
No it wont be that much better. I never said potency/terpenes are increased, only that the bud is more dense. Which is part of quality.
What IS better is the electrical savings and not having to deal with nearly as much heat. So growing the weed will be a much less costly and challening feat.
CobKits
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theres no "tinkering" with the fundamentals of something as simple as an arc tube. last major advancement was the DE almost a decade ago
CobKits
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i think by "best" he meant "a larger yield of quality product at a reduced energy input"
you can grow hi test weed with cgls, t5s, shittly LEDs, good LEDs, inefficient HPS, efficient HPS, etc
thats not really the point of LEDs (though many find it easier to grow good weed as when applied correctly it can stress the plants less)
a mongo frog
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Go pitch that to a 20 light DE facility. They won't even hear you talking, they will most likely laugh you out of the building. You are going to save them 11 grand a year? This keeps getting funnier and funnier the more you talk about things you don't know.
nfhiggs
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LOL!!! Now THATS funny right there. Somehow I think you've never had to move a 35 inch console "glass" TV.
Humple
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Move it? Hell, I don't even want to look at it.
skoomd
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It's funny you want to call it bullshit when all you do is respond with useless remarks. If im wrong, then prove it. Do the math yourself.
Typical HPS fanboyism.
Watch this video and learn a thing or two. This is a MASSIVE vertical growing facility and they swapped to fluence spydr x lights from 1000w DEHPS and the LEDs straight up crushed the DEHPS lights. You cant vertical grow like this with HPS. LED is the future, and the future is now.
FYI, "Results to-date include 85 grams-per-square-foot of canopy, 2.1 grams-per-watt and increased potency across multiple genetics over historical HPS averages." I'd like to see you claim that's a lie too.
If you think LEDs arent ecomonical on this scale, you have no idea what you're talking about. Literally.
Just garden on top of garden of pure perfection like this.
So they're pulling about 1400 grams per light with 670w per light. Lets see a 1000w HPS/DE do 1400 grams. And increase quality. And lets see it do it in a vertically stacked megagarden on a massive commerical scale. No? Figured.
Stacked vertical gardens increases production by several times more. 670 watt vs ~1100w draw from a gavita saves almost twice the electricity and cuts cooling requirements in half. Yields are higher per light. Potency is higher (extract yields increased). Water/nutrient use is lower. Even though each spydr x plus is $1300 wholesale and gavitas are about $220 wholesale, the electrical savings alone save $300 a year per light. Make that $600 if you include AC. Times that by a few hundred lights and that's their savings per year.
A 1000w DEHPS gavita is usually 1.5-2 pounds per light. Maybe 2.5 in perfect conditions.
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Well your just dam super at everything !!!!
genuity
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3 a light is not hard with DE hps.. AC is not as bad as you make it seem..It's funny you want to call it bullshit when all you do is respond with useless remarks. If im wrong, then prove it. Do the math yourself.
Typical HPS fanboyism.
Watch this video and learn a thing or two. This is a MASSIVE vertical growing facility and they swapped to fluence spydr x lights from 1000w DEHPS and the LEDs straight up crushed the DEHPS lights. You cant vertical grow like this with HPS. LED is the future, and the future is now.
FYI, "Results to-date include 85 grams-per-square-foot of canopy, 2.1 grams-per-watt and increased potency across multiple genetics over historical HPS averages." I'd like to see you claim that's a lie too.
If you think LEDs arent ecomonical on this scale, you have no idea what you're talking about. Literally.
Just garden on top of garden of pure perfection like this.
So they're pulling about 1400 grams per light with 670w per light. Lets see a 1000w HPS/DE do 1400 grams. And increase quality. And lets see it do it in a vertically stacked megagarden on a massive commerical scale. No? Figured.
Stacked vertical gardens increases production by several times more. 670 watt vs ~1100w draw from a gavita saves almost twice the electricity and cuts cooling requirements in half. Yields are higher per light. Potency is higher (extract yields increased). Water/nutrient use is lower. Even though each spydr x plus is $1300 wholesale and gavitas are about $220 wholesale, the electrical savings alone save $300 a year per light. Make that $600 if you include AC. Times that by a few hundred lights and that's their savings per year.
A 1000w DEHPS gavita is usually 1.5-2 pounds per light. Maybe 2.5 in perfect conditions.
I see guys with leds & AC... so what's the point?
1300 < 200 all day