@Tangerine_ , your argument regarding single seeds is demonstrably false, and has been proven to be by people who quoted me more than 6 months ago saying that I had popped and was growing Gu's strains. I have purchased, popped and incorporated his strains into my garden. What is your argument? What? That I was so vindictive that I purchased, popped and incorporated his strains into my system? That I'm using sq ft space in my tent on a strain that I'm hoping will fail? That I'm wasting light, energy, and resources growing something I hope will fail? Those are hardly the acts of a spiteful person. I am giving it a shot despite his unwillingness to work with me because I thought I'd love the stardawg influence. I love the smell of chem strains in the morning.
To be clear, I purchased 2 10-packs after Gu refused to accommodate me. I still gave it a chance. I, as a customer, absolutely have the right to voice my frustration with his refusal to accommodate me. He, as a businessman, absolutely had the right to refuse to accommodate. The consequences of poor customer service are upset customers. No one is immune to criticism for poor service. And I'm not obligated to conform to the ridiculous group think that is currently bending in every emotional direction to avoid addressing the issues. You peculiar people collectively said THC plays no role in seizure disorders not based on research, but based on the desire to be right. You have been proven categorically wrong.
All of you can think I am a loser for wanting to not invest $500 for a ten pack of 6 strains. I did not trust him or his process because, as a resident of Colorado, it's a diverse, competitive marketplace where seed providers often provide proof of a strain's performance. Gu didn't do that. Of course, there is an argument that Gu couldn't provide test results because, from what I know, colorado residents can't test their product. (That wouldn't affect whether he could post test results from seeds grown in California, where people can get their stuff tested). That said, he didn't provide proof of having personally grown the S1 or knowing and buying from SAG for years; so, now people are waiting to see what happens.
As I have always stated, I chose GPS because he did single seeds. I wanted to try a 5-6 of his strains before settling on a a few. It was my intention to grow only his work, having one plant of six different strains all from GPS in a tent at a time to see how they performed with each other. I wanted to see which strains leaned sativa and which indica, to try and find which were stretchy and which stout, so that I could continue flowering similar plants together in the future.
One night I finalized my single seed order, which had about 2-3 seeds of 5 or 6 strains. The next morning when I woke up, Gu had changed the website. When I contacted him and explained that I was very interested in his gear because I LOVE CHEM STRAINS, but that as a grower in a legal state, who can only have 6 flowering plants, I didn't need full 10-packs, he refused to accommodate me. 8 hours had passed since the site switched. I still bought his gear, just not the ones I wanted.
Gu also hasn't come on here any answered many questions, given what is happening. The only thing he addressed was whether or not the story about a bulk seed order is valid. He claimed that the very idea of SAG buying and distributing bulk seeds was incomprehensible, but did not provide any proof for his assertion. The weed game is rotten with corrupt, horrible monster-people. In my view, no matter what happens with the strains, if Gu did not perform due diligence, then he let his customers down.
The fact that he removed the S1s from his site speaks volumes. It is indisputable. It is the clearest fact to arise from these dozen or so pages: that he willingly removed the seeds from his website. He didn't do that out of an abundance of confidence in the product. He didn't do it because he was jealous that all of his customers would be getting a highly coveted, proven strain that he wanted to hoard for himself. He knew something. The question is, what? Did he really remove the whole S1 line over a couple early grow reports? Is he starting to see SAG in a new light?
I am reserving judgement about what happened until Gu clearly explains it.
This thread is getting sidetracked with appeals to emotion. Hotwired (got it right that time) posted the best, most recent summary of a growing list of questions to be addressed. Focus on facts, not emotions. The group-think in this thread is ridiculous.
Those of you claiming
@whytewidow lied should be ashamed of yourselves. As if you are the gate-keepers for weed related knowledge. As if you personally know that situation enough to cast doubt.
Those of you advocating a nanny state, (pigeon-holing me into my comment about medical vs critical), where every single adjustment of a strain or CBD to THC ratio must be run by a doctor, costing parents or family members of admittedly sick people money they don't have for a process that isn't necessary, are being deliberately obtuse just to try and prove me wrong.
The treatment of children with seizures is, en masse, done outside the medical system and against medical advice (AMA). No doctor built the Caladrious network. When no doctor in the world would help children with seizures, Forrest Hurd found, cultivated and connected the right plants with the right children, all often without the help of doctors, who refused to be involved. The Silas project is real and is a categorical refutation of most of your statements about the merit of CBD regarding seizures. Even after moving the goal-posts and redefining the argument as narrowly as possible, attempting to limit this current issue to a discussion about children's seizures, you are still wrong. That must feel terrible! Terrible!
Some of you peculiar people even claimed to know, with 100% certainty, that the only thing every single child with epilepsy needs is a pure CBD distillate. Forest Hurd and the Silas project proved you wrong, but you guys are too narcissistic to consider that you may be wrong. You're getting high sniffing each others farts and false logic.
(Forrest begins at 9:00. But the abject refutation of any criticism of my argument begins at 1:02:00. If you do not watch the five minutes following 1:02:00, you are an asshole. A loose, leaky asshole dripping on the legs of society. He clearly states that CBD alone is not enough; a full spectrum, often tailored to individual patients, is required.)
"Not a single tonic clonic or atonic seizure in the 18 months since we found the THC:CBD ratio that works for Silas." That is a direct quote from the mouth of Forrest Hurd, who is the father of Silas Hurd, for whom the Caladrius network began, which pairs disabled children with providers that can, completely without the input of the medical community, develop unique THC to CBD ratios that work for individual children. And yet you guys want a nanny state where every decision must be run by a doctor, where me using the word "medical" necessarily implies that home growers couldn't provide medicine, that only doctors can help children find the right CBD to THC ratio. There were a list of weak arguments over the last few pages. All pertaining to my use of the word, "medical." You were still wrong. Damn...
The argument so many of you made: that
@whytewidow was both lying and doing something wrong by trying to grow strains with THC BECAUSE THC cannot contribute in any way to the lessening of seizure disorder, is categorically false. A child didn't have seizures, or had his seizures reduced by 99%, for 18 months because of a unique THC to CBD ratio. Forrest talks about how people believing the bullshit you are spewing, about CBD being all you need, has literally brought him to the funerals for children whose parents operated using the very false logic you continue to push. Did you not take the time to become informed on this issue? Are you really radical ideologues, tricked by fake-news from CNN, and content for years since to wallow in ignorance?
To those of you who made this argument, who talked about doctors doing dabs of CBD in the operating room to ridicule my posts, are you not men enough to admit you were wrong? You don't need to admit that you were spiteful. Or that you were childish and petty. Or that you claimed to have knowledge about no child ever benefiting from THC to the point that you would ridicule my post, but that you didn't do the rudimentary research to establish the facts. Can those of you who lambasted the use of THC and terpenes, in addition to CBD, for childhood seizures admit you were wrong?
Remember, this began because I posted the questions to be asked of Gu. Instead of addressing the questions, you made emotional appeals and ad hominem attacks.
@Tangerine_ , I did use both epilepsy and cancer, given that you decided to include cancer. And then I gave you the video of a man who built the Caladrious network, and whose work thus completely obliterates your statement. I do know what (the fuck) I'm talking about. CBD and THC, in addition to terpenes and probably unidentified factors, play a tremendous role in saving the lives of children with seizure disorder. Never mind the utility of the entire spectrum of the plant for a variety of issues. Everyone here tried to pigeon-hold the debate in the most narrow topic possible, thinking they had it all figured out regarding CBD and seziures. These petty attempts to be right, rather than to find and know the truth, are counterproductive.
