The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:

Lee Carter won in Virginia, Brent Welder is poised to win in Nebraska. Ben Jealous in Maryland. Stop lying
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Regarding the three people you named, so what if a few names can be dredged up as examples of politicians succeeding without a superior spending budget? You and I read the same paper that shows 95% of the time, the campaign that spends the most, wins. Are you claiming the paradigm has shifted and "this time it's different"?
 
Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Straight up, unless Inhofe is found to have taken campaign donations in return for favors by him then you have no case for accusing him of corruption. Absent evidence, you'd have to ask Inhofe if he is influenced by donations. I don't read minds.

There are plenty of examples where the congressional candidate's district has a large footprint in an industry. Manchin and the coal industry for example. It's completely understandable that Manchin, the majority of people in West Virginia and the coal industry are aligned and "pro-coal" without needing to trot up a corruption charge for Manchin's acceptance of fossil fuel lobbying donations.
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Just like Marco Rubio saying he accepts legal donations from the NRA because they support his stance on gun regulations. There is no way to falsify or verify that; that the NRA gives him money because he supports their position or he supports the NRA's position because they give him money..

The only solution is to support political candidates that don't present the question because they're not influenced by outside interests
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Regarding the three people you named, so what if a few names can be dredged up as examples of politicians succeeding without a superior spending budget? You and I read the same paper that shows 95% of the time, the campaign that spends the most, wins. Are you claiming the paradigm has shifted and "this time it's different"?
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I'm saying with the right candidate and political message, progressive candidates can win in deep red districts because the message resonates across the political spectrum
 
UncleBuck

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doctordetroit said:
Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made -- putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.

Real reform means establishing a responsible pathway to earned citizenship -- a path that includes passing a background check, paying taxes and a meaningful penalty, learning English, and going to the back of the line behind the folks trying to come here legally.

And real reform means fixing the legal immigration system to cut waiting periods and attract the highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers that will help create jobs and grow our economy.
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did you copy and paste that from a trump email begging for donations?

those donations just pay his legal bills because he's fucking broke ya know
 
UncleBuck

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Overgrowthegov said:
It's funny how people believe these completely fabricated narratives about Trumps' collusion with Russia when there is zero evidence of this. None, nadda, zip. It's a completely fabricated narrative that was made up the day he took office. SHOW US THE EVIDENCE.
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his campaign manager is sitting in prison for conspiring with russians right now

5 others have pleaded guilty for things like lying to the FBI about their meetings with russians

something like 20 indictments, many of them on russian actors

then there is his retard son's emails proving he conspired with russian spies to weaponize information stolen from the united states


you are a cuck
 
Fogdog

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doctordetroit said:
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made -- putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.

Real reform means establishing a responsible pathway to earned citizenship -- a path that includes passing a background check, paying taxes and a meaningful penalty, learning English, and going to the back of the line behind the folks trying to come here legally.

And real reform means fixing the legal immigration system to cut waiting periods and attract the highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers that will help create jobs and grow our economy.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks At State Of The Union, Washington, D.C., 2/12/13)
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It worked too. Illegal migration into the US dropped to almost nothing under Obama. Even today, the numbers are way down. This border security thing is made up to scare weaklings like you.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Straight up, unless Inhofe is found to have taken campaign donations in return for favors by him then you have no case for accusing him of corruption. Absent evidence, you'd have to ask Inhofe if he is influenced by donations. I don't read minds.
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Now you have to be able to read minds in order to spot obvious government corruption. OK..

See what we mean when we say third wave Democrats would rather Republicans win than progressives? If progressives win, we change the game. If Republicans win, the status quo continues




 
Overgrowthegov

Overgrowthegov

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UncleBuck said:
his campaign manager is sitting in prison for conspiring with russians right now

5 others have pleaded guilty for things like lying to the FBI about their meetings with russians

something like 20 indictments, many of them on russian actors

then there is his retard son's emails proving he conspired with russian spies to weaponize information stolen from the united states


you are a cuck
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You should go indict the president right now with all your valuable information that proves treason. Oh wait...
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Now you have to be able to read minds in order to spot obvious government corruption. OK..

See what we mean when we say third wave Democrats would rather Republicans win than progressives? If progressives win, we change the game. If Republicans win, the status quo continues




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You don't say in your post who the numbers are for. I have no idea what your point is in your post.

To prove corruption you need evidence of quid pro quo. And, yes, I have no idea what Inhof was thinking. He is the senior citizen from Oklahoma, one of the centers of the fossil fuel industry. Of course he supports the fossil fuel industry. What do you expect? That he'd be hot about wind farms?

Check your list of Progressives(TM) from Oklahoma. Are any of them running for a seat in US Congress on the policy of eliminating fossil fuels? More than likely, Democrats running for national office in Oklahoma are not ones you approve of. I would hazard a guess that they are less progressive than you Progressives(TM) want. I would also hazard the guess that they are or will be the most liberal candidates from Oklahoma.
 
doctordetroit

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Fogdog said:
How does it feel to know you were lied to and yet you still want that useless wall? Did you know that illegal immigrants are quietly and peacefully helping build this economy and paying taxes? They are a net gain to this economy and represent 5% of the workforce. Do you really endorse shrinking the workforce by 5% for no good reason?

Real reform means our educational system produces all the entrepreneurs and engineers that help create jobs. Meanwhile, H-1B visas are stalled by Trump and the GOP.

I'd be so embarrassed if I supported Trump like you do.
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How can I take you serious when you contradict yourself commenting to the same post?
Fogdog said:
It worked too. Illegal migration into the US dropped to almost nothing under Obama. Even today, the numbers are way down. This border security thing is made up to scare weaklings like you.
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Ok here's another

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.

The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace...

We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
 
UncleBuck

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doctordetroit said:
How can I take you serious when you contradict yourself commenting to the same post?

Ok here's another

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.

The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace...

We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
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where's the part where he talks about ripping crying toddlers away from their mommas and throwing them both in separate concentration camps
 
doctordetroit

doctordetroit

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Why don't you face the real problems in this country? All this anger isn't good for you and the energy spent might actually make a difference if you focused on one of them.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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doctordetroit said:
Like your buddy said this border thing is insignificant and made up to scare people.
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true, that

The US isn't in a crisis. Under Obama's administration, the number of illegal migrants declined to a fraction of what it was under GWB. The "Mexican job-stealing rapist illegal immigrant" crisis was manufactured by Republicans.

The people who have illegally found a home here are peaceful, less prone to crime, violence, unemployment and pay taxes at a higher rate than natural born citizens. They currently make up about 5% of the workforce.

I find it difficult to take Trumptards like you seriously because if I said what you just did, I would be joking.
 
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