Advanced Flushing Techniques

[MichiganMedGrower]

Maybe you could answer one thing for me.
Suppose at the end of week8, i have 10% clear, 20% amber and 70% cloudy trichomes, (thats we usually look for). I need to know how in how many weeks this ratio can change to 60 to 70% amber?
Thanks

You can’t know unless you run the same plant a few times. Every seed run can be different. Every grow can have variables. There is no firm answer.

I wait until plants are truly finished. You can see the white pisils receded and the calyx swell.

I don’t even look at trichomes until the plant looks done. Also only on the bud. Not the trichs on bud leaves.

Waves of new trichomes can develop even in the last week.

And I Grow sativa leaning hybrids. Some plants never really go cloudy and some have transparent colored trichomes. Amber, purple even red and blue.

Most modern hybrids go cloudy like you said though so it’s still a good meter usually.

Also if by Amber you mean browning and degraded that means the thc in them has broken down and is weakening.

Clear and bulbous and tall is peak thc. We wait till cloudy to make sure the whole plant is as ripe.

As close to 100% cloudy is the most potent plant in my experience.

 

[jaggwaa]

I don't think m yet there to look at a bud and decide if its ready, this is my second grow. But this time iam waiting. First i want a completely yellow plant, and i have to make it yellow even if i have to run it a couple weeks more. I will harvest in parts. I may let a part of my plant to go 15 weeks in order to see what happens, maybe some of the lower colas, I am running Amherst sour diesel, green crack, critical kali mist and ak48. The image below i took yesterday i guess at completion of 4 weeks. Plenty of branches to run different periods. I want to learn it all in this go
Nothing beats the things you do by yourself.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

This is what i want or better. i goggled this image.

That is a badly grown deficient and burned bud.

This bud had about a week to go and was about 75% cloudy at this pic.

It swelled even more and developed even more frost before finish. She was fed lightly to the end.

Healthy is the goal. The rest is just forum myth.



This is a Black Widow x Blue Lemon Thai. She will give you a full body and trippy old school head high for hours on a few hits.

 

[jaggwaa]

That is a very beautiful plant, but what about the taste. My whole experience is based on smoking couple green leaves, and then i said to myself, i will never even think about smoking a leaf, than i found dried yellow leaves that were shed by plant itself, from AK48, i smoked them because when i was collecting those to throw away, my fingers got sticky and when i meshed one brown dried sheded leaf, it smelled so good, imagine a leaf smelled so good. and then again i said to myself, thats what i want in my bud. Right now my mindset is, if a plant have green leaves when you are harvesting it, the taste and smell will not be optimal. Potency is another chapter, trichimes colors all other things, this my quest is for taste and smell. And this is experience, i plucked another leaf from ak48, it was yellow, but not brown, it had sand grass smell. dried and brown, no grass smell. infect extremely good piney smell.

 

[charface]

This is what i want or better. i goggled this image.

Not here to take sides or shit on anyone but take a good look at the bud you posted from the net.
If you create something like that you fucked up.

 

[jaggwaa]

Ok this image is the minimum what i want. Not the bud size, the yellow fan leaves. Now think about it, this guy's fan leaves are yellow, which means he was not feeding his plant in the end or feeding very little, but it has to be no feed or less feed, thats y the plant is using resources from the leaves. agreed... now how the buds are so big? why ? think about it, according to people who says if you deprive your plants yield will suffer. small buds, But he managed to use less or no feed, leaves are proof. And those buds, they are a proof and cutting or stopping feed will not effect bud size but this weed when dried and cure will be at its optimum scent wise and taste wise. Image searched from google

 

[jaggwaa]

Not here to take sides or shit on anyone but take a good look at the bud you posted from the net.
If you create something like that you fucked up.

What about this previous post one

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

That is a very beautiful plant, but what about the taste. My whole experience is based on smoking couple green leaves, and then i said to myself, i will never even think about smoking a leaf, than i found dried yellow leaves that were shed by plant itself, from AK48, i smoked them because when i was collecting those to throw away, my fingers got sticky and when i meshed one brown dried sheded leaf, it smelled so good, imagine a leaf smelled so good. and then again i said to myself, thats what i want in my bud. Right now my mindset is, if a plant have green leaves when you are harvesting it, the taste and smell will not be optimal. Potency is another chapter, trichimes colors all other things, this my quest is for taste and smell. And this is experience, i plucked another leaf from ak48, it was yellow, but not brown, it had sand grass smell. dried and brown, no grass smell. infect extremely good piney smell.

Cooler flowering temps in the mid 70’s preserve terpenes.

There is no reason to smoke fan leaves. I only keep close bud leaf trim. I cure it in jars like buds then after a few months make edibles from it as it piles up. I plant and harvest a different plant every week or two in a staggered perpetual 2 room garden.

Fading just lowers all stats. It is a commercial technique to sell uncured weed sooner.

It is much better to dry and cure the chlorophyll out of the bud slowly.

4-6 weeks is usually enough. The flavors and smells develop and change in the jar.

The key other than environment is learning to properly feed plants.

Overfed is always worse regardless of flush and fade.

Underfed can still yield decent flowers.

Proper feeding is the goal. Takes practice. Took me a couple years to start to get it right. Yield almost doubled in the same pots with he same lights and nutes too.

 

[charface]

Big buds are mostly genetic imho.
In fact its all genetic imho
So first find a proven cut then adjust your environment until it expresses up to its potential.

Looking at other grows is irrelevant unless you are growing that same cut in a very similar environnent.

 

[jaggwaa]

Big buds are mostly genetic imho.
In fact its all genetic imho
So first find a proven cut then adjust your environment until it expresses up to its potential.

Looking at other grows is irrelevant unless you are growing that same cut in a very similar environnent.

you didn't answer my question. How does this look. good or bad?

 

[CannaBruh]

Fade if you like, nothing wrong with running water at the end.

Some out there want to force you into some box to do things their way. Do as you like.

There isn't better, if there were it'd be universally accepted as standard and that isn't the case so it's still highly subjective.

 

[jaggwaa]

you didn't answer my question. How does this look. good or bad?

I believe this guy has done it perfectly. The timing of flush or fade, nutrients etc etc. I attached this image to give you guyz a reference of what i think is a perfect looking plants at harvest

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Ok this image is the minimum what i want. Not the bud size, the yellow fan leaves. Now think about it, this guy's fan leaves are yellow, which means he was not feeding his plant in the end or feeding very little, but it has to be no feed or less feed, thats y the plant is using resources from the leaves. agreed... now how the buds are so big? why ? think about it, according to people who says if you deprive your plants yield will suffer. small buds, But he managed to use less or no feed, leaves are proof. And those buds, they are a proof and cutting or stopping feed will not effect bud size but this weed when dried and cure will be at its optimum scent wise and taste wise. Image searched from googleView attachment 4166721

Using too much PK is what yellows and burns upper leaves like that. Proper fading like an outdoor plant in autumn fades from the bottom up.

Mobile nutrients like NPK and magnesium show deficiencies in the lower fan leaves first.

I only use a Grow ratio fertilizer all the way through to avoid this. Bloom boosters are a myth.

I know this is a point that will cause argument but When I stopped using bloom nutes my harvest greatly improved in health, flavor and potency.

 

[jaggwaa]

Cooler flowering temps in the mid 70’s preserve terpenes.

There is no reason to smoke fan leaves. I only keep close bud leaf trim. I cure it in jars like buds then after a few months make edibles from it as it piles up. I plant and harvest a different plant every week or two in a staggered perpetual 2 room garden.

Fading just lowers all stats. It is a commercial technique to sell uncured weed sooner.

It is much better to dry and cure the chlorophyll out of the bud slowly.

4-6 weeks is usually enough. The flavors and smells develop and change in the jar.

The key other than environment is learning to properly feed plants.

Overfed is always worse regardless of flush and fade.

Underfed can still yield decent flowers.

Proper feeding is the goal. Takes practice. Took me a couple years to start to get it right. Yield almost doubled in the same pots with he same lights and nutes too.

Thats well said my friend. this is exactly what am trying to figure out. Its not just apply plain water and enjoy, its the amount you feed, its timing, the sweet spot where you endup with trichomes of your choice, buds health of your choice and taste and smell and no green leaves

 

[jaggwaa]

Fade if you like, nothing wrong with running water at the end.

Some out there want to force you into some box to do things their way. Do as you like.

There isn't better, if there were it'd be universally accepted as standard and that isn't the case so it's still highly subjective.

Nice of you my friend. Thank you
I tried the defoliation and green leaves buds in my last harvest. This time iam trying plants defoliating themselves and yellow leaves at the end.

 

[charface]

I feed until i think they are ready then water only for another week.

The water week is not designed to flush anything.

My plants simply have more than enough to go that week with no food.

These are week 8.
Yes out of this 8x5 area you will see that one bad leaf. Ignore it
I do.

I will painstakingly dry and cure this weed and as usual it will go to a few select weed snobs who will hide it for months in glass jars like a treasure.
And weed is everywhere here.
But my weed is smooth, potent with good taste and smell.
Because I mind my temps, humidity etc..

But I can say the same about this shit that expressed this way in the exact grow space

Bottom line,
I don't starve my plants

 

[charface]

In fairness I love to look at plants that are faded, they can be beautiful.

But all that pretty shit gets cut off the buds at the end

 

[jaggwaa]

I feed until i think they are ready then water only for another week.

The water week is not designed to flush anything.

My plants simply have more than enough to go that week with no food.

These are week 8.
Yes out of this 8x5 area you will see that one bad leaf. Ignore it
I do.
View attachment 4166726
I will painstakingly dry and cure this weed and as usual it will go to a few select weed snobs who will hide it for months in glass jars like a treasure.
And weed is everywhere here.
But my weed is smooth, potent with good taste and smell.
Because I mind my temps, humidity etc..

But I can say the same about this shit that expressed this way in the exact grow space
View attachment 4166731
Bottom line,
I don't starve my plants

Indeed a beautiful setup and very nice healthy plants. Look, you have figured it out all well. And its working for you. and m happy for that. I am just a newbie, with a concept that i want to try and experiment with. I am one of those, who will listen to everyone, but eventually will do what they want at the end. This way the experience lives with you for the rest of your life. And this way i learn a lot things. Some are good some are bad, am sure you have done it too when u were a newbie. so i will starve some, feed some, water some, use hormones on some trim and run some and some some

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Nice of you my friend. Thank you
I tried the defoliation and green leaves buds in my last harvest. This time iam trying plants defoliating themselves and yellow leaves at the end.

I encourage you to try all kinds of techniques. Every grow, grower and room are different. You have to find your own way.

I am just making the suggestions that my breeder made to me. They worked better.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I feed until i think they are ready then water only for another week.

The water week is not designed to flush anything.

My plants simply have more than enough to go that week with no food.

These are week 8.
Yes out of this 8x5 area you will see that one bad leaf. Ignore it
I do.
View attachment 4166726
I will painstakingly dry and cure this weed and as usual it will go to a few select weed snobs who will hide it for months in glass jars like a treasure.
And weed is everywhere here.
But my weed is smooth, potent with good taste and smell.
Because I mind my temps, humidity etc..

But I can say the same about this shit that expressed this way in the exact grow space
View attachment 4166731
Bottom line,
I don't starve my plants

Beautiful work man!