How many Neoliberals in the Democratic Party before the Democratic Party is a Neoliberal party?

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Neoliberals are responsible for Trump

Naturally the threat is progressives
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If you are talking about laissez-faire economic liberalism, there are no true neoliberals in the Democratic party leadership.

More than 2/3 of all US Congressmen have strong progressive voting record. The rest have a good record on progressive issues. Given that only 12 of your kind of Progressive(TM) is running, they aren't a "threat" in any way. Given that most if not all Democrats in Congress agree with polcies if not tactics of your Progressives(TM) they will be welcomed into the Democratic Caucus if they win.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
If you are talking about laissez-faire economic liberalism, there are no true neoliberals in the Democratic party leadership.
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That illustrates your own level of intelligence or denial

Either you're too stupid to recognize the absolutely neoliberal tactics within Democratic party leadership, like Pelosi or Schumer display, or you're too dishonest to admit them because you know it would be detrimental to your agenda..

...either way, you're not somebody anyone should choose to go to for the truth about the matter..

Neoliberalism is responsible for Trump
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
That illustrates your own level of intelligence or denial

Either you're too stupid to recognize the absolutely neoliberal tactics within Democratic party leadership, like Pelosi or Schumer display, or you're too dishonest to admit them because you know it would be detrimental to your agenda..

...either way, you're not somebody anyone should choose to go to for the truth about the matter..

Neoliberalism is responsible for Trump
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If you are talking about laissez-faire economic liberalism, there are no true neoliberals in the Democratic party leadership.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
There are. But why would it matter to you if there weren't? You support neoliberal political policy
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I guess if you make up your own definition for neoliberal you can say what you want. If you are talking about laissez-faire economic liberalism, there are no true neoliberals in the Democratic party leadership.
 
Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
I guess if you make up your own definition for neoliberal..
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Another center-left movement from modern American liberalism that used the term "neoliberalism" to describe its ideology formed in the United States in the 1970s. According to David Brooks, prominent neoliberal politicians included Al Gore and Bill Clinton of the Democratic Party of the United States.[31] The neoliberals coalesced around two magazines, The New Republic and the Washington Monthly.[32] The "godfather" of this version of neoliberalism was the journalist Charles Peters,[33] who in 1983 published "A Neoliberal's Manifesto".

During the 1990s, the Clinton administration also embraced neoliberalism[82] by supporting the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), continuing the deregulation of the financial sector through passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act and the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act and implementing cuts to the welfare state through passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Another center-left movement from modern American liberalism that used the term "neoliberalism" to describe its ideology formed in the United States in the 1970s. According to David Brooks, prominent neoliberal politicians included Al Gore and Bill Clinton of the Democratic Party of the United States.[31] The neoliberals coalesced around two magazines, The New Republic and the Washington Monthly.[32] The "godfather" of this version of neoliberalism was the journalist Charles Peters,[33] who in 1983 published "A Neoliberal's Manifesto".

During the 1990s, the Clinton administration also embraced neoliberalism[82] by supporting the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), continuing the deregulation of the financial sector through passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act and the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act and implementing cuts to the welfare state through passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act.
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Clinton didn't support laissez faire government. Even so, This is 2018, not 1995. Who are the neoliberals that supports laissez-faire government in today's Congress?

If you want to create your own definition then please say what it is. As said elsewhere, the term pretty much doesn't have much meaning because everybody makes up their own. It has a negative connotation so I can see why you like it.

I'll stick to the more conventional meaning, which is supports laisse-faire government and policies. So you are wrong as usual.
 
Buddha2525

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Fogdog said:
Clinton didn't support laissez faire government. Even so, This is 2018, not 1995. Who are the neoliberals that supports laissez-faire government in today's Congress?

If you want to create your own definition then please say what it is. As said elsewhere, the term pretty much doesn't have much meaning because everybody makes up their own. It has a negative connotation so I can see why you like it.

I'll stick to the more conventional meaning, which is supports laisse-faire government and policies. So you are wrong as usual.
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Sure he did. He got rid of public assistance and replaced it with TANF where you need to work for your "helping hand" and if you go on the lamb, your food stamp application form will get handed over to police to so the private corporation prison industrial complex can pay you $1 per hour! You can't get any more laissez-faire than that. It ranks up there with Reagan getting rid of mental hospitals so those who are sick get to live on the streets addicted to drugs, resorting to crime, and giving prison companies more business! It's a win-win for everyone both democrat and republican, except we the people. Both sides don't give one fuck about you, and only care about your vote, while both sides are working for the same boss.

Personal Responsibility Provisions of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996

make fleeing felons and probation and parole violators ineligible for food stamps; require States to provide households' addresses, Social Security Numbers, or photographs to law enforcement officers to assist them in locating fugitive felons or probation or parole violators;
 
INF Flux

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Fogdog said:
If you are talking about laissez-faire economic liberalism, there are no true neoliberals in the Democratic party leadership.

More than 2/3 of all US Congressmen have strong progressive voting record. The rest have a good record on progressive issues. Given that only 12 of your kind of Progressive(TM) is running, they aren't a "threat" in any way. Given that most if not all Democrats in Congress agree with polcies if not tactics of your Progressives(TM) they will be welcomed into the Democratic Caucus if they win.
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Wow, the level of sheer bullshit and pretending shit doesn't stink....... " they will be welcomed into the Democratic Caucus if they win" You really don't pay attention to what's actually happening at all, do you?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
Sure he did. He got rid of public assistance and replaced it with TANF where you need to work for your "helping hand" and if you go on the lamb, your food stamp application form will get handed over to police to so the private corporation prison industrial complex can pay you $1 per hour! You can't get any more laissez-faire than that. It ranks up there with Reagan getting rid of mental hospitals so those who are sick get to live on the streets addicted to drugs, resorting to crime, and giving prison companies more business! It's a win-win for everyone both democrat and republican, except we the people. Both sides don't give one fuck about you, and only care about your vote, while both sides are working for the same boss.

Personal Responsibility Provisions of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996

make fleeing felons and probation and parole violators ineligible for food stamps; require States to provide households' addresses, Social Security Numbers, or photographs to law enforcement officers to assist them in locating fugitive felons or probation or parole violators;
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What you are doing is cherry picking a policy or two and calling Clinton laissez faire neoliberal. I guess that makes Bernie a raving socialist.
 
Fogdog

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INF Flux said:
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Wow, the level of sheer bullshit and pretending shit doesn't stink....... " they will be welcomed into the Democratic Caucus if they win" You really don't pay attention to what's actually happening at all, do you?
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Occasio-Cortez is working quite well with other Democrats or haven't you noticed? On most issues there are no disagreements. I don't know what else you expect to happen when the five or six candidates who are endorsed by Our Revolution win office. The six or ten Congressmen who are good Progressives(TM) will be a couple of hundred shy of a majority.
 
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