HE F'n killed him!!!!!!!! Are YOU F'n blind! Yes!

AlphaNoN

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Pollster: Don’t believe the Dem hype

By Joe Dwinell & Jessica Fargen
Wednesday, October 8, 2008 - Updated 1h ago


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The presidential race is still too close to call and could come down to the very last weekend before voters decide if they like or distrust Barack Obama, a national pollster predicts.

“I don’t think Obama has closed the deal yet,” pollster John Zogby told the Herald yesterday.

Zogby’s latest poll, released yesterday in conjunction with C-Span and Reuters, shows Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat, with the Illinois Democrat up 48-45 percent.

Zogby said the race mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election.

“The Sunday before the election the dam burst,” Zogby said of the 1980 tilt. “That’s when voters determined they were comfortable with Reagan.”
Now voters are wrestling with two senators with opposite resumes - Obama, at 47, the unknown, and the established 72-year-old McCain.
Zogby said he’s still hearing from moderates and non-partisan voters - what he calls “the big middle” - who are still shopping for a candidate.
“It still can break one way or the other,” Zogby says.

The Numbers
The three-day survey polled 1,220 likely voters - about 400 people a day. Zogby will continuously poll right up until the November election.
The latest poll numbers may reflect the bump that McCain received after his running mate, Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin sparred with Obama’s running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden during the first and only vice presidential debate last week.

The poll shows that the two White House contenders have no problem attracting support from their own parties.
Obama is winning 84 percent of the Democratic Party support and McCain has 85 percent of the GOP support, but Obama has the edge among sought-after Independent voters.

He leads McCain among independents, 48 percent to 39 percent, according to the poll.

Obama also has support from a slightly higher percent of conservative voters than McCain gets from liberal voters, but the advantage is small, according to the poll.

Pollsters surveyed 1,220 likely voters and asked approximately 39 questions. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.


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Zogby is a fool. It doesn't matter how close the national numbers are, because the popular vote does not determine the winner -- the electoral college does. And right now, Sen. Obama has ~260 votes locked up in "safe" states, where he has consistently polled more than 5 points ahead. There are only a few states that are considered "swing states" -- Nevada, Colorado, Missouri, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida.

Obama only needs a win in one of these states to put him over the top. He wins Virginia? He's the next president. Same for all the others on the list.

McCain, on the other hand, is so far behind in the electoral vote count that he would need to win every single one of these states to win, and even then just barely. He'd need to win Ohio, AND Virginia, AND Florida, AND Colorado, etc.

And here's the big surprise for the Republicans: Obama is currently leading in nearly all of these states. +12 in Virginia. +8 in Florida. +10 in Colorado. McCain would need to wear all of these statistically significant leads down and in fact reverse them to have a chance at winning.
 

ccodiane

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Zogby is a fool. It doesn't matter how close the national numbers are, because the popular vote does not determine the winner -- the electoral college does. And right now, Sen. Obama has ~260 votes locked up in "safe" states, where he has consistently polled more than 5 points ahead. There are only a few states that are considered "swing states" -- Nevada, Colorado, Missouri, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida.

Obama only needs a win in one of these states to put him over the top. He wins Virginia? He's the next president. Same for all the others on the list.

McCain, on the other hand, is so far behind in the electoral vote count that he would need to win every single one of these states to win, and even then just barely. He'd need to win Ohio, AND Virginia, AND Florida, AND Colorado, etc.

And here's the big surprise for the Republicans: Obama is currently leading in nearly all of these states. +12 in Virginia. +8 in Florida. +10 in Colorado. McCain would need to wear all of these statistically significant leads down and in fact reverse them to have a chance at winning.
Damn, you're gifted. Why don't you put your talent to good use and give us the final scores for all the football games this week. I'll cut you in 20% of winnings when I get the cash on Monday. What are you gonna' buy with your money?
 

AlphaNoN

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Damn, you're gifted. Why don't you put your talent to good use and give us the final scores for all the football games this week. I'll cut you in 20% of winnings when I get the cash on Monday. What are you gonna' buy with your money?
Not predicting the future, just stating what the polls (collectively) are reflecting. Unless McCain makes a move that can change the minds of more than half the voters in all of the swing states he won't be able to reach the 270 electoral votes needed to win.

While Obama needs only to win over one more swing state with 10+ electoral votes and he has secured the presidency. Since he's currently polling higher than McCain in Virgina, Colorado, and Florida, it seems that there's a good chance he will pick up those last EC votes and probably a few more.

On a side note, if they start running nation wide polls for football game point spreads like they do for presidential elections I'll take you up on that bet ;)
 

misshestermoffitt

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Ahem, "geezer" is not a racial slur. Thanks for showing what is really getting your vote.

It's not smart to vote someone in who has a 50% chance of keeling over on the job.


So, I suppose you'll be voting for the Young Ni .... Oops, I forgot ... I got in trouble pointing out this double standard before. :blsmoke:

Vi
 

AlphaNoN

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So, I suppose you'll be voting for the Young Ni .... Oops, I forgot ... I got in trouble pointing out this double standard before. :blsmoke:

Vi
Yeah lol.. Vi's mad because only old farts like himself can drop the big "G" word, those of us under 85 have to use the friendly familiar "geeza" (note the "a").
 

medicineman

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So, I suppose you'll be voting for the Young Ni .... Oops, I forgot ... I got in trouble pointing out this double standard before. :blsmoke:

Vi
What was that nonsense about all your black friends in another thread, you are disgusting? Hey folks, look at me, I'm really not a rascist. Lets see you get out of this one, Vi.
 

ccodiane

New Member
Do leftist race baiters always become cowards, or, do cowards always become leftist race baiters? This is the question; maybe you folks can help me out with the answer. Med, Miss?

PS- I'm gonna have to dig up my "killing you softly" thread if this petty bickering continues and needs to be isolated!
 

ViRedd

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Ahem, "geezer" is not a racial slur. Thanks for showing what is really getting your vote.

It's not smart to vote someone in who has a 50% chance of keeling over on the job.
Nope, you're right. "geezer" isn't a racial slur ... its an "age-ism" slur. Are you an age-ist? I mean if I called you a stupid cunt, would that be sexist? Open your eyes little girl and you'll begin to see the double standard that you are harboring.

Vi
 

Big P

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Say what you will about the Weather Underground, but they only caused property damage and made it a point not to kill or injure anyone. I know it sounds shitty to defend him, but to say he blew up stuff with no regard to people's lives isn't true. If he had killed people, I guarantee you he'd be in jail right now.

actually the wheather underground which he started was in total responsible for the death of 1 police officer and i think a couple of civilians, but you can look that up and confirm i heard it on the news


also the only reason he got off was because the stupid cops broke the law by tapping him without permision

this guy got off scott free

i mean what would happen if a child rapist was tapped illigally would they just let his ass go?

like i said this fucker should have gone to jail

and obama has no busines fuckin with him if hes supposed to represent us and the rest of america.




mark this post guys, if you see the ad macain just put out its pretty rough. its garanteed to swing the polls. also obama is peaking too soon, there is too much time left till the vote

you will see mark this post. there is another thing bubbling up (i know what a shocker right) but seems they are busting this story out again maybe with more evedence



WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq... Developing...
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
here is the video, gotta say its one of the roughest ones ive ever seen

this will stay in voter brains even if they dismiss it as an attack add



kind of like a scary movie u say so myself


prepare yourselves for tha mother of all campain ads:


YouTube - Ayers
 
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