Cob/plant distance/Luxmeter/4 COB'S per plant @35Watt each, 140W total....

[Salah82]

wont happen bro, not on 140 watts. Science says light diminishes by the inch. You might get 40,000 lux on the tops, and for each inch down, you will lose major lumens. take you meter and see what you get 12 inches from a fixed distance, imagining your tops height, and take note the further you get away from that height.

Take my word for it man, youll be mad and upset when it doesnt turn out the way you think it will, or hope it will.

If you scrog, EVERY top created, will get nearly the same amount of light, needing very little penetration. These cobs are great, but thinking your going to get even a 3 foot tall plant to produce, is VERY high hoping.

Top when they get the 3rd node, let grow out, top again, and again and again, scrogging in the process.

Do that for a month, then flip. but im tellin ya bro, 140 watts, youll be lucky to get them even 24 inches tall, and be a good producer in the process.

wont happen bro, not on 140 watts. Science says light diminishes by the inch. You might get 40,000 lux on the tops, and for each inch down, you will lose major lumens. take you meter and see what you get 12 inches from a fixed distance, imagining your tops height, and take note the further you get away from that height.

Take my word for it man, youll be mad and upset when it doesnt turn out the way you think it will, or hope it will.

If you scrog, EVERY top created, will get nearly the same amount of light, needing very little penetration. These cobs are great, but thinking your going to get even a 3 foot tall plant to produce, is VERY high hoping.

Top when they get the 3rd node, let grow out, top again, and again and again, scrogging in the process.

Do that for a month, then flip. but im tellin ya bro, 140 watts, youll be lucky to get them even 24 inches tall, and be a good producer in the process.

I see.....so if i scrog my plant.....in a 50 liter pot......ceiling eight 8.8 Foot.....i would still love to veg as long as possible so even with scrogging i could get the most out of the ceiling height....at what height would you flip my man?!

 

[InTheValley]

Salah, Forget about ceiling height. Thats where the heat is. Your in a 2x2. If you want a great, healthy scrog, use a 5 gallon fab pot for just 1 plant.. This is your first grow, correct? Get a 5 gallon Fab pot, but I would personally get a 5 gallon AIR pot, that is plastic, with the holes in it. Ill find a link for you. I dislike fab pots because if you have even a small humidity issue, it will grow mold on it, especially on the bottom, where you cant see. Because it needs to be elevated off the ground so air can circulate, but even then, mold WILL grow under it, if Air isnt fanned DIRECTLY under it.

Or you can pretreat will some neem oil, that is my next idea, because I realllly like the Fab pots, but I cant risk the mold issue Ive had in the past. Take it from someone that threw away 90grams of fire bud because of it.TRUST ME BROTHER.

5 gallon pot, top above the 3rd node. Let those grow out for a week, Top those, Let me grow out, Top again. By the time you top for 3-4 waves, you will probably not have any more room to do it again. you HAVE to keep in mind, Air circulation, thats VERY VERY important. You dont want colas leaning on the walls because again, Mold will grow on them..

Just sayin man, I have my shit down with this, I know the pitfalls, been there, done that. I used to use a 2x2 tent.

Im not tryin to scold you man, I just dont want to see you hit bullshit pitfalls on your first grow, so lets do it correctly from the door.

 

[InTheValley]

even a 38 liter ( 10gallon ) is To big for that tent, again, trust me on this. This is a 10 gallon fab pot, in a 2x2 tent, then you need to figure out how to drain the waste water, because you have to flush the plant before you chop. HEAVY Bro, This wooden thing i made Broke because of the weight. Its sitting in a garbage can lid that i drilled hole in for drainage.

 

[Salah82]

Salah, Forget about ceiling height. Thats where the heat is. Your in a 2x2. If you want a great, healthy scrog, use a 5 gallon fab pot for just 1 plant.. This is your first grow, correct? Get a 5 gallon Fab pot, but I would personally get a 5 gallon AIR pot, that is plastic, with the holes in it. Ill find a link for you. I dislike fab pots because if you have even a small humidity issue, it will grow mold on it, especially on the bottom, where you cant see. Because it needs to be elevated off the ground so air can circulate, but even then, mold WILL grow under it, if Air isnt fanned DIRECTLY under it.

Or you can pretreat will some neem oil, that is my next idea, because I realllly like the Fab pots, but I cant risk the mold issue Ive had in the past. Take it from someone that threw away 90grams of fire bud because of it.TRUST ME BROTHER.

5 gallon pot, top above the 3rd node. Let those grow out for a week, Top those, Let me grow out, Top again. By the time you top for 3-4 waves, you will probably not have any more room to do it again. you HAVE to keep in mind, Air circulation, thats VERY VERY important. You dont want colas leaning on the walls because again, Mold will grow on them..

Just sayin man, I have my shit down with this, I know the pitfalls, been there, done that. I used to use a 2x2 tent.

Im not tryin to scold you man, I just dont want to see you hit bullshit pitfalls on your first grow, so lets do it correctly from the door.

First LED grow yes....never scrogged before.....

 

[InTheValley]

sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do,lol.. These will bounce back up in a couple days. But now, Ill get probably twice more then if i didnt scrog her

 

[InTheValley]

First LED grow yes....never scrogged before.....

oooooo,ok, I see. They make nets for 2x2s, that are installed pretty simply in like 1 minute. I had to make my own, because Im OCD,lol..

 

[InTheValley]

the process is simple man.. Top, let grow, top, let grow, top, let grow. The branches will grow stright up thru the net, then u just tuck them back under the net, and they will go back thru the net, after they grow some, then you tuck back under, and do this 1-2 weeks INTO flower after you flip to 12/12, then they will do their stretch, and its all just waiting for them to fill out at that point.

 

[InTheValley]

Bro, i also had the same asperations as you. But i went DWC, and was like, "I want a big ass Tree" but it never worked out like that. To get the LARGE trees, you need the Sun, or a 1000W hps, and even then, it comes down to genetics. DWC was a nightmare,SMH, never again. Wasted soooooo much water and nutes.

 

[Salah82]

Bro, i also had the same asperations as you. But i went DWC, and was like, "I want a big ass Tree" but it never worked out like that. To get the LARGE trees, you need the Sun, or a 1000W hps, and even then, it comes down to genetics. DWC was a nightmare,SMH, never again. Wasted soooooo much water and nutes.

So my question with the veg time.........why cant i set up the net little higher and veg longer and still do the scrog thing? You know why so earlie if i have the space to the top you know?!

 

[InTheValley]

Because they will stretch. The premise is you want all the tops to be even as possible. So each one is fighting to be the MAIN TOP, because there are special hormones in the toppest of all of them. So if you keep them even, they will ALL try to be the main top, and ALL will carry the dominate Hormone to grow big as it can. You understand that? So, if you have 10 tops, and 1 top that is higher then the other 10, the highest one will carry the main dominance, and leave the other 10 stagering behind. and you dont want that. so, when you keep them under the net, its a level playing field for ALL of them, at the same time. So a good scrog, should have every top almost identical in size. Sure, you sometimes can stop some, but if you try reallly hard to keep them level, its a more favorable outcome at the end.

So, you have 1 big branch, and when you lay it horizontal, every singe shot on that branch, now becomes a cola. Just as if you took a tree outside, and bent it level with the ground, all the branches will form " trees" off the main trunk.

Ok,?

 

[Salah82]

Because they will stretch. The premise is you want all the tops to be even as possible. So each one is fighting to be the MAIN TOP, because there are special hormones in the toppest of all of them. So if you keep them even, they will ALL try to be the main top, and ALL will carry the dominate Hormone to grow big as it can. You understand that? So, if you have 10 tops, and 1 top that is higher then the other 10, the highest one will carry the main dominance, and leave the other 10 stagering behind. and you dont want that. so, when you keep them under the net, its a level playing field for ALL of them, at the same time. So a good scrog, should have every top almost identical in size. Sure, you sometimes can stop some, but if you try reallly hard to keep them level, its a more favorable outcome at the end.

So, you have 1 big branch, and when you lay it horizontal, every singe shot on that branch, now becomes a cola. Just as if you took a tree outside, and bent it level with the ground, all the branches will form " trees" off the main trunk.

Ok,?

Scrog it will be my man......trying to build a good scrog structure out of pvc now.....top the plant do some LST.....we will see my man! Much Love

 

[Salah82]

Because they will stretch. The premise is you want all the tops to be even as possible. So each one is fighting to be the MAIN TOP, because there are special hormones in the toppest of all of them. So if you keep them even, they will ALL try to be the main top, and ALL will carry the dominate Hormone to grow big as it can. You understand that? So, if you have 10 tops, and 1 top that is higher then the other 10, the highest one will carry the main dominance, and leave the other 10 stagering behind. and you dont want that. so, when you keep them under the net, its a level playing field for ALL of them, at the same time. So a good scrog, should have every top almost identical in size. Sure, you sometimes can stop some, but if you try reallly hard to keep them level, its a more favorable outcome at the end.

So, you have 1 big branch, and when you lay it horizontal, every singe shot on that branch, now becomes a cola. Just as if you took a tree outside, and bent it level with the ground, all the branches will form " trees" off the main trunk.

Ok,?

So brother i was thinking about mounting a pc fan to each heatsink for better cooling........how do i go aboutwiring those?
Do i need a seperate driver or can i hook them to my 240 Meanwell as well?

 

[InTheValley]

Hey bud, you need another driver. or can hook to a 12v adapter. Thats why i was kinda tryin to push you to get the $17 heatsink/fan combo cobkits had. think it was you anyways, lol.. There are a few now that are getting into Luminus, but cant go wrong with the heatsink/fan combo.. So far anyways,lol... knock on wood, I love them.

Driver should be fairly cheap, ( $8.50 )http://cobkits.com/product/apv-12-12-12v-driver-for-fans/

thats the one i use myself. Id imagine it should run whatever fans u use.

 

[Salah82]

Hey bud, you need another driver. or can hook to a 12v adapter. Thats why i was kinda tryin to push you to get the $17 heatsink/fan combo cobkits had. think it was you anyways, lol.. There are a few now that are getting into Luminus, but cant go wrong with the heatsink/fan combo.. So far anyways,lol... knock on wood, I love them.

Driver should be fairly cheap, ( $8.50 )http://cobkits.com/product/apv-12-12-12v-driver-for-fans/

thats the one i use myself. Id imagine it should run whatever fans u use.

Something like that would do it as well right? Just cut open the cable and hook the 4 fans up with a 5 port wago?:

https://www.amazon.de/CHARGEUR-Netzadapter-Ladekabel-Ladegerät-AS300-120-AE250/dp/B078VYC1H6/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1539757760&sr=8-2-spons&keywords=12v+ladekabel&psc=1

 

[InTheValley]

not sure man, maybe cobkits or someone can chime in on it. i cant read the link,lol..

 

[Salah82]

not sure man, maybe cobkits or someone can chime in on it. i cant read the link,lol..

Yeah just run them 4 fans in parallel.....should be fine.
Much Love bro!

 

[InTheValley]

hey bud, I got a par meter, the hydrofarm model. My hacked lux meter is exact as the PAR meter.I have found tho, need to add 10% from the value. This is from the difference of the Appogi PAR meter, that I researched and came to the conclusion.
at 40 watts,

880 PAR @ 7 inches
440 @ 10 in
330 @ 12 in
240 @ 14 in

At max, or 75 watts, ( 1400B ) driver,

913 par at 12in

at 20 inches, full blast, I get 660PAR pretty much in my 2x2 footprint of my light rig. and 902 PAR at 12 inches in the center of my RIG,

 

[InTheValley]

Hey guys, I took reading from my Perfect Sun mini. My hacked Lux meter, is EXACT to the HydroFarm PAR meter. Im talking right on the money. From 5 ft all the way to the light, its exact. Dont pay the $ for these PAR meters, and Follow my instructions to the hacked lux meter. Ill post pics later, but take my word for it, If you want a PAR meter, save yourself $100 and hack the lux meter. So it even gives perfect reading even if its a blurple. Perfect sun is a blurple light, but a freaking powerfull blurple,lol.. 1000 lux at 14 inches, 150 par at 5ft, which is impressive.

As i said before, its about intensity with these meters, nothing to do with spectrum. both meters read in the 400-700 range, dont fall for the BS.

ok, carry on.

 

[Salah82]

Hey guys, I took reading from my Perfect Sun mini. My hacked Lux meter, is EXACT to the HydroFarm PAR meter. Im talking right on the money. From 5 ft all the way to the light, its exact. Dont pay the $ for these PAR meters, and Follow my instructions to the hacked lux meter. Ill post pics later, but take my word for it, If you want a PAR meter, save yourself $100 and hack the lux meter. So it even gives perfect reading even if its a blurple. Perfect sun is a blurple light, but a freaking powerfull blurple,lol.. 1000 lux at 14 inches, 150 par at 5ft, which is impressive.

As i said before, its about intensity with these meters, nothing to do with spectrum. both meters read in the 400-700 range, dont fall for the BS.

ok, carry on.

So my brother IntheValley!

With how many watts per square foot do you go in veg and with how many in flower.....?!
Just 35 per square foot full cyle?!

 

[InTheValley]

hey Salah, how things going for ya? You get those heatsink fans hooked up? Ive been blasting them with the watts. 75 watts each cob, so im running around 300 watts, and getting my flowers with 700 PAR. Did you get a lux meter yet by any chance? easier to adjust the light with it. You going to want to be at 12inches ( 450ish PAR)or so for veg, and 10 inches for flower. (600 PAR ) any closer then that, your PAR is going to fall off fast because of the distance.