Heisenbeans Genetics

[HydoDan]

I dont know what genetics those other breeders are using. Over half of them just seem like big ass liars and lie about the stuff that have. If I gave you my cut of cake and you reversed it the same way I did there is no reason the seeds would not be identical. I think I the issue comes from liars using bullshit clones or selling s1s as some other hermie pollen cause they couldnt reverse what they was after. You really think all breeders are ethical in being truthful about what cuts there using.

Stress has absolutely nothing to do with the predetermined sex in the seeds. Male releases both x and y pollen. Females are y. A y pollen on a female gives you a female seed. An x on a female pollen gives you a Male. Some males put alot more more x than y. Ever seen a dude with 5 girls and no boys. Yeah that's his ass putting out all that y sperm.

Unless plants are different from humans, Females are XX and males are XY..
Just trying to get clarity.. Keep doin what you do!

 

[CannaBruh]

Unless plants are different from humans, Females are XX and males are XY..
Just trying to get clarity.. Keep doin what you do!

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[Heisenbeans]

Unless plants are different from humans, Females are XX and males are XY..
Just trying to get clarity.. Keep doin what you do!

That's what I meant. Yesterday was a long day lol.

 

[CoB_nUt]

Question, say you have a fem bean. clone it and cs it and dust it's sister clone. What are the resulting progeny? Still S1's? S2's? Had a stoner thought and was wondering.

 

[whytewidow]

I saw Mike from exotic genetix talk about how low stress in early seedling stages improve chances of females by 50-75%. good temps, good humidity, good root zone etc. and these parameters will stress it out to the point of going male. I personally bounce back and forth between theories if a seed is preprogrmmed to be female or male.
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This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Hes fukn idiot. The sex of a seed is already determined when its pollenated. You cant change the sex of seed bc of temp, humidity, or anything else. That's like saying when you have baby. If your wife stays in the warm house all day instead of going outside in the cold. So you'll have a daughter. It either gets a X or Y chromosome. No wonder his shit is garbage and herms all the time.

 

[Heisenbeans]

Question, say you have a fem bean. clone it and cs it and dust it's sister clone. What are the resulting progeny? Still S1's? S2's? Had a stoner thought and was wondering.

If you reverse an s1 than yes it becomes an s2. Reversing an s1 and pollinating the original mom would be a BX

 

[Heisenbeans]

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Hes fukn idiot. The sex of a seed is already determined when its pollenated. You cant change the sex of seed bc of temp, humidity, or anything else. That's like saying when you have baby. If your wife stays in the warm house all day instead of going outside in the cold. So you'll have a daughter. It either gets a X or Y chromosome. No wonder his shit is garbage and herms all the time.

I agree sex is already determined in the seed before it even pops. That's why we have feminized seeds.

 

[whytewidow]

I agree sex is already determined in the seed before it even pops. That's why we have feminized seeds.

Mike is a total moron. Snd says shit like that on live feeds. Hes a fukn pollen chucker at best. He is not a breeder. Anyone who tells you to keep your shit warm during germination causes a higher female ratio shouldnt even be growing.

 

[Bodyne]

any advantage to femmin worked lines as in f2's and onward? From seed? or is it just the same as finding a good female in an f1 polyhybrid cross?

 

[whytewidow]

I agree sex is already determined in the seed before it even pops. That's why we have feminized seeds.

Pollen comes in two forms. Male and Female. It Carries the chromosome that determines male or female. Unless its fem pollen that is made.

 

[Heisenbeans]

Pollen comes in two forms. Male and Female. It Carries the chromosome that determines male or female. Unless its fem pollen that is made.

That's right cause all fem pollen is x and Male is y. Males can carry both but females can only have 1

 

[whytewidow]

That's right cause all fem pollen is x and Male is y. Males can carry both but females can only have 1

Unless you keep it warm. Lmfao. I mean if that was the case. Every seed you popped on a heat mat would be female. It blows my mind. That something you learn in general education in the USA just goes right out the window if you breed herb. They turn into dumbasses. And forget 7th grade science class. Just store your regular pollen in near a heater and not the freezer. If you keep it.in the freezer you'll get all males. But by a heater you'll get all females.

 

[CoB_nUt]

If you reverse an s1 than yes it becomes an s2. Reversing an s1 and pollinating the original mom would be a BX

Thought so thanks. Just want to make and keep seeds of any fire fem beans I find.

 

[whytewidow]

Thought so thanks. Just want to make and keep seeds of any fire fem beans I find.

They wont be exactly identical to the plant you reverse though. They arent exact copies. But I believe they are the closest representation in seed form compared to a clone.

 

[CoB_nUt]

They wont be exactly identical to the plant you reverse though. They arent exact copies. But I believe they are the closest representation in seed form compared to a clone.

Yea, I know. At least I'll have some of the genetics locked away.

 

[CannaBruh]

Chimera has a lot of interesting comments on this subject, do some searching lots of great info on self'd generations.

 

[HydroRed]

If you reverse an s1 than yes it becomes an s2. Reversing an s1 and pollinating the original mom would be a BX

So if I grow out an S1 and just self it with some cs and pop the seeds...its an S2? That doesnt sound right? I thought if you cross the S1 with the original parent , then it becomes an S2, not a Bx.

 

[CoB_nUt]

Chimera has a lot of interesting comments on this subject, do some searching lots of great info on self'd generations.

Will do. Thanks.

 

[CoB_nUt]

Here we go. Glad people are commenting on this. Red, you and I spoke on this previously.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I dont know what genetics those other breeders are using. Over half of them just seem like big ass liars and lie about the stuff that have. If I gave you my cut of cake and you reversed it the same way I did there is no reason the seeds would not be identical. I think I the issue comes from liars using bullshit clones or selling s1s as some other hermie pollen cause they couldnt reverse what they was after. You really think all breeders are ethical in being truthful about what cuts there using.

Stress has absolutely nothing to do with the predetermined sex in the seeds. Male releases both x and y pollen. Females are y. A y pollen on a female gives you a female seed. An x on a female pollen gives you a Male. Some males put alot more more x than y. Ever seen a dude with 5 girls and no boys. Yeah that's his ass putting out all that y sperm.

A female that hermied naturally is way more more likely to pass on that trait like she passes on other things like high trich ratios and structure.

Forcing a female to produce Male pollen from ethylene reduction is not going to produce a hermie plant UNLESS she was already throwing late stage balls or stress related balls. She already has the hermaphrodite gene embedded.

I have no clue what josey has done over there. I'm not even sure he discovered the glue. As I u understand mardawg found the flant from hermie seeds he got from josey.
So yes gg4 s1s could put out herm tendency plants because she was the result of a mother that naturally hermied.
The gg4 im running has not thrown any balls ever.
People buying them s1s of her will know that theres a chance of herms but probably a bigger chance of finding a bad ass keeper that's close to the original mom of gorilla glue. All it takes is 1 keeper. Those seeds are not for someone who doesnt pay attention to there garden or there looking for a big run of weed to just toss it all out after its chilled down. Someone buying them will know what they are and what they are looking for.
I have also seen plenty of glue crosses and s1s that were retarded dank and never threw any balls.
Glue is in alot of shit without any issue.
I'm not gonna get Carried away and say she will put out herm seeds because I have no reason to think she will based on me stressing her and the only thing that ever got her to throw a ball was CS.

Also there is no way in hell a batch of s1s are gonna be all male. Someone somewhere fucked that up big time.

Males are Y chromosomes, females xx.

Edit, sorry late to the party.