UncleBuck
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do you have a better name for people who burn crosses and the people who fund their "research" who say that black people should be shipped back to africa and jews are "feeble minded"
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UncleBuck
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ummm, what do you think was going on when the people who funded murray's research argued that black people should be shipped back to africa? or when another funder of murray's "research" said jews are "feeble minded"?
hey, what did charles murray say about the "jews are feeble minded" guy? oh yeah. he said, and i quote, that he is "a biologist who was especially concerned about keeping up the American level of intelligence by suitable immigration policies."
btw, good job on competely backing away from murray's white supremacist theory of "genetic racial differences". now if you could just get "intellectual thought leader" sam harris to do the same and stop promoting that white supremacist shitbag that'd be great
Rob Roy
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Sorry to just drop in, but I'd answer part of your question with "Abe Lincoln" .
I don't think Abe Lincoln burned any crosses, but I've read he wanted to ship black people "back to Africa" .
Don't you have a picture of him on your wall between your signed Hillary poster and your favorite racist of all time FDR ?
ginjawarrior
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what were you saying about being dishonest buck?
American activist
Description
Wickliffe Draper was an American political activist and philanthropist. He was an ardent eugenicist and lifelong advocate of strict racial segregation.Wikipedia
Born: 9 August 1891, Hopedale, Massachusetts, United States
Died: 1972
Parents: George A. Draper
Education: Harvard University
Uncle: Eben Sumner Draper
Organization founded: Pioneer Fund
American educator
Description
Harry Hamilton Laughlin was an American educator, eugenicist, and sociologist. He served as the Superintendent of the Eugenics Record Office from its inception in 1910 to its closing in 1939, and was ...Wikipedia
Born: 11 March 1880, Oskaloosa, Iowa, United States
Died: 26 January 1943, Missouri, United States
Education: Truman State University, Princeton University
Organization founded: Pioneer Fund[/quote]
both those people were very much dead and buried before murray ever started researching for the bell curve
one of them died when murray was only 2 1/2 weeks old.....
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/the-bell-curve.pdf
page 18.
its a section talking about how people misused iq testing to support eugenics and imigration
and i quote
"in the early 1920s,the chairman of the House Committee on Immi-gration and Naturalization appointed an "Expert Eugenical Agent" for his committee's work, a biologist who was especially concerned about keeping up the American level of intelligence by suitable immigration policies."
that quote is immediately followed by a section talking about the myths of iq testing
and i quote
"The first story is that Jews and other immigrant groups were thought to be below average in in-telligence, even feebleminded, which goes to show how untrustworthy such tests (and the testers) are"
i notice that you still dont provide any links to your "quotes" to show the credibility of your sources
Wickliffe Draper
American activist
Description
Wickliffe Draper was an American political activist and philanthropist. He was an ardent eugenicist and lifelong advocate of strict racial segregation.Wikipedia
Born: 9 August 1891, Hopedale, Massachusetts, United States
Died: 1972
Parents: George A. Draper
Education: Harvard University
Uncle: Eben Sumner Draper
Organization founded: Pioneer Fund
Harry H. Laughlin
American educator
Description
Harry Hamilton Laughlin was an American educator, eugenicist, and sociologist. He served as the Superintendent of the Eugenics Record Office from its inception in 1910 to its closing in 1939, and was ...Wikipedia
Born: 11 March 1880, Oskaloosa, Iowa, United States
Died: 26 January 1943, Missouri, United States
Education: Truman State University, Princeton University
Organization founded: Pioneer Fund[/quote]
both those people were very much dead and buried before murray ever started researching for the bell curve
one of them died when murray was only 2 1/2 weeks old.....
knowing your propensity for taking stuff of context i found a pdf of the book and looked that quote up.
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/the-bell-curve.pdf
page 18.
its a section talking about how people misused iq testing to support eugenics and imigration
and i quote
"in the early 1920s,the chairman of the House Committee on Immi-gration and Naturalization appointed an "Expert Eugenical Agent" for his committee's work, a biologist who was especially concerned about keeping up the American level of intelligence by suitable immigration policies."
that quote is immediately followed by a section talking about the myths of iq testing
and i quote
"The first story is that Jews and other immigrant groups were thought to be below average in in-telligence, even feebleminded, which goes to show how untrustworthy such tests (and the testers) are"
i notice that you still dont provide any links to your "quotes" to show the credibility of your sources
ginjawarrior
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both those people were very much dead and buried before murray ever started researching for the bell curve
one of them died when murray was only 2 1/2 weeks old.....
knowing your propensity for taking stuff of context i found a pdf of the book and looked that quote up.
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/the-bell-curve.pdf
page 18.
its a section talking about how people misused iq testing to support eugenics and imigration
and i quote
"in the early 1920s,the chairman of the House Committee on Immi-gration and Naturalization appointed an "Expert Eugenical Agent" for his committee's work, a biologist who was especially concerned about keeping up the American level of intelligence by suitable immigration policies."
murray is not showing any support and in the context of the introduction gave an accurate description of laughlin
that quote is immediately followed by a section talking about the myths of iq testing
and i quote
"The first story is that Jews and other immigrant groups were thought to be below average in in-telligence, even feebleminded, which goes to show how untrustworthy such tests (and the testers) are"
i notice that you still dont provide any links to your "quotes" to show the credibility of your sources[/QUOTE]
UncleBuck
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Hey
Another neo nazi crawling out of the woodwork, and with absolutely no refutation of anything
UncleBuck
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yeah I bet they stopped being a white supremacy eugenicist organization once those old coots kicked it
Thanks for confirming that cross burner Charles Murray praised the “Jews are feeble minded” guy
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ginjawarrior
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he didnt praise him.....
UncleBuck
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expert biologist who’s just trying to keep America intelligent seems like praise to me
ginjawarrior
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i provided a link to the pdf go read the context of the page which talks specifically about people misusing the iq score at the beginning of the last century
things to note (like the entire sentence)
"in the early 1920s,the chairman of the House Committee on Immi-gration and Naturalization appointed an "Expert Eugenical Agent" for his committee's work, a biologist who was especially concerned about keeping up the American level of intelligence by suitable immigration policies."
and the immediate follow up about the myths
"The first story is that Jews and other immigrant groups were thought to be below average in intelligence, even feebleminded, which goes to show how untrustworthy such tests (and the testers) are"
i know your gonna carry on in bad faith here but anyone else who reads this can happily goto the pdf and see for themselves...
maybe to save some face for yourself you could provide the link where you found these "quotes"
Herb & Suds
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I'm sure no political leanings in those findings in the ignorant 1920's LMFAO
ginjawarrior
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he's not talking in support of them....
UncleBuck
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If someone called Jews feeble minded I would not call him an expert biologist who was just trying to keep America intelligent
If someone praised the “Jews are feeble minded” guy as an expert biologist who was just trying to keep America intelligent, I would not do a fawning interview with him
Sam Harris did though
What an intellectual thought leader
ginjawarrior
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as i've already said
i think sam harris is intellectual enough to look at sources and context to decide for himself...
how about you buck?
where did you source this? you certainly didnt goto the original
what website did you goto to tell you where to direct your hate?
UncleBuck
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like i said, if someone said that the vast majority of jews were "feeble minded", i would not rely on his organization to fund my "research", and i would not praise him as an "expert biologist" who just wants to keep america intelligent
the same goes for people who say we should ship black people back to africa. i would not want them to fund my "research"
and if someone did write a book filled with racist junk pseudoscience and was funded by people who want to ship black people back to africa and people who said jews were "feeble minded" and who praised the "jews are feeble minded" guy as an expert biologist who just wants to keep america intelligent, i would not do a fawning interview with that guy
in fact, i would not do any fawning interviews or give any time at all to anyone like that, or relly anyone who is effusively praised by david duke and other white supremacists, neo-nazis, klanmen, and the like
sam harris did choose to do that though. it is sad to see losers like you and the now-banned beefkitty get radicalized into hateful racism and white supremacy and neo-nazism by such obvious charlatans, grifters, and carnival barkers.
i do not hold out much hope for your recoveries either. once you accept the hateful, racist poison you have accepted very few ever stop being hateful racist losers.
take care
wellthatwasfun
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Murray stated there are differences between groups. Sam Harris said the same thing. I said the same thing in this thread.
None of them has said it is purely genetic and that it makes people inherently better, worse, smarter or dumber. Just that there are differences. You're literally the only one who has said "black people are stupider"...
You've been, and still are, fighting stramen to make yourself look good when no one is claiming what you've said is true.
It makes you look pretty ridiculous.
Both Sam Harris and Charles Murray have explicitly stated (because it's a fact) that IQ is 60-80% genetic, that IQ tests were created to judge individuals on their merit, and that they should be used to help people in lower socioeconomic statues climb the ladder.
Yeah, Murray is totally against Jew's... that's why his co-author is a hungarian Jew...
Richard Herrnstein
"Despite the authors’ insistence that a genetic contribution to race differences was not central to their argument, this hypothesis dominated the critical discussion of the book, and remains controversial even among scientists who accept their other conclusions"
...and what does Charles Murray have to say about Jews?
"What accounts for this remarkable record [of Jewish intelligence]? A full answer must call on many characteristics of Jewish culture, but intelligence has to be at the center of the answer. Jews have been found to have an unusually high mean intelligence as measured by IQ tests since the first Jewish samples were tested. (The widely repeated story that Jewish immigrants to this country in the early 20th century tested low on IQ is a canard.) Exactly how high has been difficult to pin down, because Jewish sub-samples in the available surveys are seldom perfectly representative. But it is currently accepted that the mean is somewhere in the range of 107 to 115, with 110 being a plausible compromise."
The IQ mean for the American population is “normed” to be 100, with a standard deviation of 15. If the Jewish mean is 110, then the mathematics of the normal distribution says that the average Jew is at the 75th percentile. Underlying that mean in overall IQ is a consistent pattern on IQ subtests: Jews are only about average on the subtests measuring visuo-spatial skills, but extremely high on subtests that measure verbal and reasoning skills." - Charles Murray
That doesn't seem very anti-semetic to me.... and his co-author is Jewish, so..... you do the math.
"I begin with the assumption that elevated Jewish intelligence is grounded in genetics. It is no longer seriously disputed that intelligence in Homo sapiens is substantially heritable. In the last two decades, it has also been established that obvious environmental factors such as high income, books in the house, and parental reading to children are not as potent as one might expect. A “good enough” environment is important for the nurture of intellectual potential, but the requirements for “good enough” are not high. Even the very best home environments add only a few points, if that, to a merely okay environment. It is also known that children adopted at birth do not achieve the IQ’s predicted by their parents’ IQ."
Let's read more....
"To put it another way, we have good reason to think that Gentile children raised in Jewish families do not acquire Jewish intelligence. Hence my view that something in the genes explains elevated Jewish IQ. That conclusion is not logically necessary but, given what we know about heritability and environmental effects on intelligence in humans as a species, it is extremely plausible."
So, on one hand we have Buck claiming to know what Murray thinks, and on the other hand we have copious amounts of literature by Murray that demonstrates the opposite of his claims. Not so hard to figure out who's incorrect.
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UncleBuck
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So black people are naturally about 15% dumber than whites and for the most part there’s nothing they can do about it because that’s 60-80% caused by their genetics
And also don’t dare call you a racist
You’re a thought leader
wellthatwasfun
Member
Did you finish high school? You write like someone who never finished high school.
It's demonstrable that IQ is partially hereditary. That's why kids adopted by geniuses, even with all the nurturing in the world, will generally not reach the IQ of their genius parents. Proven. Fact.
There are environmental factors as well, as much as 40% - but to assume that genetics have nothing to do with IQ is just dumb.
The APA (you know, scientists) specifically stated that there are differences in groups, and the testing was not biased, but there was not a simple explanation. How are you not grasping this?
You keep saying that "black people are naturally dumb", but you're the only one who has stated that. Murray and Harris never made this conclusion, the fact that you are either demonstrates you're inability to grasp the English language, or that you have a political agenda.
You continually glance over the fact that Charles Murray states that Asians and Jews are, on average, more intelligent than white people. Do I get all butt-hurt knowing that most Asians and Jews are smarter than my the individuals in the "group" I belong to? No, because there's nothing to be upset about.
Murray praises the intelligence of Jewish people over, and over, and over again. Stating their intelligence is demonstrated by IQ testing, as well as an abundance of Jewish people in positions of power, show business, academia, and as Nobel Prize winners. This has never, and will never, be a point of contention - it's a good thing. It means that the people that showed merit made it to positions that require merit. Wow, that's so racist. This also, in no way, shape, or form, means black (or white people for that matter) cannot get to those positions. It's just more likely that an Asian or Jewish person will get there. That's what averages are....
Have you figured out how to do averages yet, and what averages mean? I'll give you a hint, averages mean nothing to the individual - which is where merit should be measured. No one should get a free pass, or be judged based on the "group" they belong to. This was the entire reason for creating things like SAT's and IQ tests.
Buck, you don't like reality that doesn't conform to your world views so you try to prove reality wrong but end up looking like a moron when reality hits back.
Maybe you should acknowledge some of the points in this thread instead of glancing over anything that causes you cognitive dissonance like a spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum who doesn't want to listen to mommy and daddy. It really lets your Dunning-Kruger show through...
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UncleBuck
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so you're saying that you don't think that back people are just naturally dumber than whites
and you're also saying that black people are about 15% dumber than whites and that is 60-80% out of their control. they are just made that way
ok