Seedling, droopy leaves

[.RootDown]

Day 12 since sprout, still a seedling- Evening of day 10 cup was feeling a bit light and the leaves started to look a droopy. I watered pH 6.5 the following morning when the medium dried out a little more. I expected by that evening the leaves would have perked back up but they did not, now it's been about 36hrs since watering. I'm still getting good growth, and the color looks good. On day 8 I replanted to bury a bit deeper, she stretched a few inches in the first few days, light was too high. Roots were near the bottom of the cup, but I haven't seen any coming out the holes yet.
Should I be concerned? (First grow) Perhaps still in shock over the transplant?
Should I get her into a 1gal when the soil drys out, or is it too soon?



Caramel Kush by 00 Seeds (from Seedsman), Indica, Photoperiod
Light Mars Hydro Pro II Epistar 600, 18" from canopy
Fox Farms Oceans Forest, 40% perlite It looks like a ton of perlite in the picture, it's not that bad!
Started in rapid rooter, which is planted in the soil
78-80d F, 55% humidity day, 69d F 55% night
Base of the solo cup is not sitting in water, keeping water in the tray to help with humidity
I've been watering the soil when the cup gets light, not using a spray bottle- watered day 5, 8, and 11 so far.


Thanks!

 

[.RootDown]

Day13 morning, seems to have perked up a little. Cup feels a bit light again, may Be watering again by this evening or tomorrow morning.

 

[jtrizzy]

I’d chill with the watering. It’s over watered my friend. Those seedlings do not need much water at all. Don’t water for awhile and see. That droop is a over watering droop and you can also tell by how puffy the leafs are. My seedlings are also in solo cups and I haven’t watered since I planted them 10 days ago. The root system is super tiny, they do not need to be watered for awhile after the initial soak.

 

[Beachwalker]

What J said above, and next time less perlite, try 20-25% (unless you like watering often?)

 

[jtrizzy]

All your going to do is cause issues from the beginning. I struggled with overwatering as well until I realized I was over watering from day 1 which down the road led me to all sorts of issues and defeciencies. You should have watered on day 1 and than Checked on day 7. If they still looked fine than on day 10, so on and so forth. I assure you the plants would Not have died. As the plants gets larger the watering frequency goes up. But that age in solo cups 10 days for me at least. Keep in mind, the bigger the pot the less watering frequency as you transplant. So when you go from this solocup to let’s say a 1 gallon pot; if you were watering every 7-10 days in a solo cup, you most likely won’t have to water in a1 gallon until day 10-14 (these are all hypothetical amount of days, feed when they need it). As the plants gets bigger the frequency goes up; than you transplant again, rinse and repeat. Worst thing you can do is a put a set number of days for your watering schedule, it’s a recipe for failure and over watering. Water them when they need it, and you will know when that is. This is advice for soil. I don’t grow in coco, and there is a whole different way to water coco properly.

 

[Old Thcool]

All your going to do is cause issues from the beginning. I struggled with overwatering as well until I realized I was over watering from day 1 which down the road led me to all sorts of issues and defeciencies. You should have watered on day 1 and than Checked on day 7. If they still looked fine than on day 10, so on and so forth. I assure you the plants would Not have died. As the plants gets larger the watering frequency goes up. But that age in solo cups 10 days for me at least. Keep in mind, the bigger the pot the less watering frequency as you transplant. So when you go from this solocup to let’s say a 1 gallon pot; if you were watering every 7-10 days in a solo cup, you most likely won’t have to water in a1 gallon until day 10-14 (these are all hypothetical amount of days, feed when they need it). As the plants gets bigger the frequency goes up; than you transplant again, rinse and repeat. Worst thing you can do is a put a set number of days for your watering schedule, it’s a recipe for failure and over watering. Water them when they need it, and you will know when that is.

Do you let coco dry out or keep it sorta moist? It seems the seedling phase is the least spoken about and perhaps the most sensitive time? So far, from what I’ve gathered, the idea is to water once the top of the medium is dry and the container feels lite. But I’ve also read “ never let coco dry out”? So it seems a tad confusing?
What is for sure, a little seedling takes a long time to gulp up a cup of water! I would think the majority evaporates from the medium? But just because the top feels and looks dry doesn’t mean the middle and bottom is.

 

[jtrizzy]

Do you let coco dry out or keep it sorta moist? It seems the seedling phase is the least spoken about and perhaps the most sensitive time? So far, from what I’ve gathered, the idea is to water once the top of the medium is dry and the container feels lite. But I’ve also read “ never let coco dry out”? So it seems a tad confusing?
What is for sure, a little seedling takes a long time to gulp up a cup of water! I would think the majority evaporates from the medium? But just because the top feels and looks dry doesn’t mean the middle and bottom is.

I don’t use coco so I am not sure. I think in soil people assume the bottom is dry because the top is and that is a huge misconception. Of course the top will dry first as it is exposed to light, air movement etc. the bottom is still soaked and that is what’s causing the root rot and over watering.

 

[JohnDee]

But I’ve also read “ never let coco dry out”? So it seems a tad confusing?

Hi Old Thcool...love your username. The watering thing with coco is very confusing. As I understand it, while roots are growing and plant is in the smaller interim pots...then a little drying helps to get roots established.

Once in final pot, fully rooted...that's when the "never let dry" thing kicks in.

@.RootDown ...it's super easy to over water in solo cups. I'm struggling with that right now. If you use a measuring cup, that may help you keep your watering more even.
JD

 

[Old Thcool]

I won’t add more fluid till mine are really light.

 

[jtrizzy]

I won’t add more fluid till mine are really light. View attachment 4266286

Those are over watered as you can can tell. You have the overwatering droop/curl and look how puffy the leafs are. Good plan to wait. Check them in 6-7 days and see how they are. Fill the cup the next time with soil. You will have to transplant sooner now because only half the cup has soil. But that looks like coco so different watering technique.

 

[Old Thcool]

Those are over watered as you can can tell. You have the overwatering droop/curl and look how puffy the leafs are. Good plan to wait. Check them in 6-7 days and see how they are. Fill the cup the next time with soil. You will have to transplant sooner now because only half the cup has soil. But that looks like coco so different watering technique.

The Jawa Kush is less droopy than the Alien Rift. It would happen no matter what with the first full watering right? So now we just let the dry out correct? They will start to photo trope once they dry out a bit.

 

[.RootDown]

Thanks jtrizzy and beachwalker. I thought I was doing it right by going by the weight of the cup but I'll focus more on how the plant looks.

 

[Beachwalker]

I saw what you said, no don't transplant now, give it a while let it get stronger and then consider transplanting into its final pot

 

[jtrizzy]

Thanks jtrizzy and beachwalker. I thought I was doing it right by going by the weight of the cup but I'll focus more on how the plant looks.

if they are dry and you think they need a sip of water, no need to soak it either, you can always just mist the top of the cups a little. It's all about balance, too much of one thing will screw up something else.

 

[jtrizzy]

The Jawa Kush is less droopy than the Alien Rift. It would happen no matter what with the first full watering right? So now we just let the dry out correct? They will start to photo trope once they dry out a bit.

With soil, I soak the medium plant the germinated seed leave it alone and recheck in a week. Usually water at ten days since planted. These 3 are babies, I have watered each once since planting. The bigger one is GG #4 photo planted on dec 28th and the other 2 small ones white widow autos (like the one flowering) which I planted on Jan 9th. I just planted another gg#4 that hasn’t popped out of the soil yet which has me a little nervous. Planted it about 2 days ago. Usually they pop out by now.

 

[Old Thcool]

There is quite the difference in colour variation between the three. Very nice plants.

 

[jtrizzy]

There is quite the difference in colour variation between the three. Very nice plants.

Ya the white widow are always super dark green, never grown the GG before so can't tell you if being on the lighter green side is normal or not lol, I sure hope it is.

 

[Old Thcool]

Ya the white widow are always super dark green, never grown the GG before so can't tell you if its normal or not lol, I sure hope it is.

Very likely is a trait more than an issue. They look pretty happy!

 

[jtrizzy]

Very likely is a trait more than an issue. They look pretty happy!

Thanks brother, lets hope it stays that way . The big one flowering was a fuck up from day one. Although, these white widows ALWAYS seem to go super red/purple when approaching the end. I love the colors they produce. A few weeks left on her.

 

[Old Thcool]

Ya the white widow are always super dark green, never grown the GG before so can't tell you if being on the lighter green side is normal or not lol, I sure hope it is.

here is my temp and RH on the bottom in my chamber, for now I have the RH side cycling from 50 to 59 RH and a speed restricted exhaust fan trips at 59. It takes 3 minutes to reduce RH to 50 and that is a complete replacement cycle for my room. Temperature drops 3 degrees per cycle. I also have a 4” inline temp dump fan that rarely kicks on due to the LED. The lite is running at 90 percent for early veg.