40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

[ttystikk]

I agree, ran 400W HPS for a bit and my 315W is stronger than that. I would have to say around 500W HPS, with less heat.
Since I can rotate my plants as I did in my G13 grow with my Old SS 400W LED I am thinking of adding it in with this grow.
I would like to add more UV towards the end of my grow. I know this is a silly question, my long time friend, but do you have any thoughts on adding UV?

You can if you want. Add UVB for best results.

 

[Renfro]

So the 315W CMH will give all the UV needed/area?

no. not at all.

I have 1000 watt DE HPS lights overhead. Replacing the bulbs in them to the finishing bulbs (1000 watt DE MH 10k) is what I propose

 

[ttystikk]

no. not at all.

I have 1000 watt DE HPS lights overhead. Replacing the bulbs in them to the finishing bulbs (1000 watt DE MH 10k) is what I propose

My CMH lights were all about 4000k. The frost they made was great.

My LED lights are either 3000k or 3500k and both make the best frost.

If you aren't getting good resin and aroma, maybe you don't have enough sulfur in your nutrient mix. I use epsom salt, dissolved in solution separately from other nutrients before adding to the reservoir.

 

[Renfro]

My CMH lights were all about 4000k. The frost they made was great.

My LED lights are either 3000k or 3500k and both make the best frost.

If you aren't getting good resin and aroma, maybe you don't have enough sulfur in your nutrient mix. I use epsom salt, dissolved in solution separately from other nutrients before adding to the reservoir.

I am definitely getting great resin and terpene levels but I am always looking for a way to make it better.

One time I had a HPS bulb go out about halfway into flower. I just stuck in a MH bulb that I had laying around. Those plants didn't make as much yield but they were noticeably frostier due to the extra UV light. So I figured i would try the 10k MH finishing bulbs for the last part of a run to see if that increases resin production without loosing much yield.

I have heard the CMH definitely helps increase frost over a HPS due to the added UV. Do you think I would have issues with running overhead lights that were 1000 watt DE CMH? Would they be too close to the canopy? Keep in mind I normally get the plants even taller that this run as I flipped this one too soon.

 

[Thundercat]

I wonder if you could get away with sliding a couple Samsung stripes into the middle of a plant to bulk up the center where no light can get? Internal lighting instead of jus side lighting?

 

[gr865]

My CMH lights were all about 4000k. The frost they made was great.

My LED lights are either 3000k or 3500k and both make the best frost.

If you aren't getting good resin and aroma, maybe you don't have enough sulfur in your nutrient mix. I use epsom salt, dissolved in solution separately from other nutrients before adding to the reservoir.

I always use Epsom, and I add a bit to warm water in a cup then add to my rez.
Just sent a zip to my bud in NM and he call rejoicing about the fragrance and taste. I get stuff from him from CO dispensaries and the flavor and aroma are just not there.

 

[ttystikk]

I am definitely getting great resin and terpene levels but I am always looking for a way to make it better.

One time I had a HPS bulb go out about halfway into flower. I just stuck in a MH bulb that I had laying around. Those plants didn't make as much yield but they were noticeably frostier due to the extra UV light. So I figured i would try the 10k MH finishing bulbs for the last part of a run to see if that increases resin production without loosing much yield.

I have heard the CMH definitely helps increase frost over a HPS due to the added UV. Do you think I would have issues with running overhead lights that were 1000 watt DE CMH? Would they be too close to the canopy? Keep in mind I normally get the plants even taller that this run as I flipped this one too soon.

Just adding blue helps frost vs HPS. None of those lamps makes enough UV to matter. I've run a 10,000K finisher and it did little.

If you really want to add UV, use florescent lamps specifically designed for it. Be very careful not to be anywhere near them while they're running, use eye protection if you must.

Also be sure to harden the plants off to UV or they'll burn to a crisp.

 

[Renfro]

I wonder if you could get away with sliding a couple Samsung stripes into the middle of a plant to bulk up the center where no light can get? Internal lighting instead of jus side lighting?

My girlfriend said put christmas tree leds in there. Kinda on to something there but wow that would be a tangle. lol One run a buddy loaned me some cheap blurple LED lights and I put them under the rows between the plants and they added a tiny bit of yield but they were crap chinese lights, like 90 watts from the wall. More in the way than anything.

 

[Thundercat]

My girlfriend said put christmas tree leds in there. Kinda on to something there but wow that would be a tangle. lol One run a buddy loaned me some cheap blurple LED lights and I put them under the rows between the plants and they added a tiny bit of yield but they were crap chinese lights, like 90 watts from the wall. More in the way than anything.

I think the long samsungs could be awesome inside the plant. They aren't crazy strong alone so I bet they wouldn't burn it and it would have to add weight to light the core of the plant.

 

[ttystikk]

I wonder if you could get away with sliding a couple Samsung stripes into the middle of a plant to bulk up the center where no light can get? Internal lighting instead of jus side lighting?

Not worth it.

Train your plants to remain thin enough for light to penetrate to the middle from the sides, then hang vertical lighting on both sides.

 

[Thundercat]

Not worth it.

Train your plants to remain thin enough for light to penetrate to the middle from the sides, then hang vertical lighting on both sides.
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I am very specifically talking about in Renfro's grow. Not mine. He grows these massive caged plants and obviously wants to get the most from them. I figured adding light the only place he has left un-litmight help do that.

 

[gr865]

In most cases the limiting factor it light. Can you have too much? I think you can never too much light.
Cost is the biggest factor for lighting.

 

[ttystikk]

In most cases the limiting factor it light. Can you have too much? I think you can never too much light.
Cost is the biggest factor for lighting.

Yes you most certainly can have too much light.

 

[ttystikk]

I am very specifically talking about in Renfro's grow. Not mine. He grows these massive caged plants and obviously wants to get the most from them. I figured adding light the only place he has left un-litmight help do that.

It looks to me like adequate light from the top will be enough. It sure doesn't look like they're suffering!

 

[gr865]

Yes you most certainly can have too much light.

You can cook the plants, but the point was to match your light to light. I have two 315's in my 4 x 4 is that too much, no. The 315's will cover 18 sqft the tent is 16, I have it set to cover a 4 x 2.5 plus but the plants are smothered in light. That is my goal, to smother the plants with light and along with training be able to produce a wonder gift of nature.

 

[ttystikk]

You can cook the plants, but the point was to match your light to light. I have two 315's in my 4 x 4 is that too much, no. The 315's will cover 18 sqft the tent is 16, I have it set to cover a 4 x 2.5 plus but the plants are smothered in light. That is my goal, to smother the plants with light and along with training be able to produce a wonder gift of nature.

That isn't too much light.

It also does nothing to disprove my point, which is that it's definitely possible to have too much light.

I think that two 315W CMH lights is great in a 4x4 tent, and you get both energy and heat reductions over the old standard 1000W HPS in the same space. I bet you're killing it in there.

 

[gr865]

That isn't too much light.

It also does nothing to disprove my point, which is that it's definitely possible to have too much light.

I think that two 315W CMH lights is great in a 4x4 tent, and you get both energy and heat reductions over the old standard 1000W HPS in the same space. I bet you're killing it in there.

You know me, I never argue about points, show me and I will say, Yep, my friend you are correct.
I agree that the two 315's are good for this tent, been averaging 6 plus zips of smokable buds per plant in both my vertical and horizontal grows.
You do so much more researching than I, so I yield to your expertise.

Peace out my friend,
GR

 

[Renfro]

Day 48 update.



Monster cropped babies for the next round are potted. They look so homely as they reveg from flower. I like to put a stake in before potting the clones so I don't damage roots later.

 

[ttystikk]

You know me, I never argue about points, show me and I will say, Yep, my friend you are correct.
I agree that the two 315's are good for this tent, been averaging 6 plus zips of smokable buds per plant in both my vertical and horizontal grows.
You do so much more researching than I, so I yield to your expertise.

Peace out my friend,
GR

I knew a dude who put both a 1000W HPS and a 1000W MH in a 4x4 tent and the plants were stunted, even with good heat management.

The key is optimum levels, just like it is with temps, nutes, etc.

 

[gr865]

[QUOTE="Renfro, post: 14715501, member: 1 are potted. They look so homely as they reveg from flower. I like to put a stake in before potting the clones so I don't damage roots later.
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I hope you have room, my MC, Barneys Farm LSD taken at day 33 and vegged way too long.


Oh that at 19 plus zips smokable buds.